Yes, abortion is killing a baby. Do you really want to hand a psycho bitch a baby?
I find this whole “is it a baby” debate to be frankly, quite fucking retarded. OF COURSE IT’S A BABY! Duh times eleventy fucking million!
We’re not talking about IF its a baby (it is) but rather, who has the right to kill a baby? Grandma? Nope. Daddy? Nope, sorry. Doctors? Well, sometimes, yeah.
What are the criteria doctors use to determine whether or not to withdraw life support from a baby, or really, ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING?
It has to do with neural activity. Is the brain alive? Is there an “I” in there? Can you think? Can you feel? Yes? Congratulations, you’re a person. Why should it be different in utero? A baby that has brain waves, that exists, that has an “I” , that thinks and feels and IS – how can we condemn that baby to death because her mother is a selfish cunt?
Here’s why: because even murderous selfish cunts have a right to decide what their bodies will be used for.
Babies need a woman’s body to thrive, to flourish, to grow. And while babies are undeniably sweet and cute and gorgeous and intoxicating, the needs of the woman in whose body they are growing MATTER. And if she doesn’t want that baby, and is prepared to MURDER THAT BABY, sweet jesus how can you even think of giving a woman like that a baby to take care of?
What can possibly go wrong?
Forcing babies on women who are too selfish, too broken, too downtrodden, too poor, too narcissistic, too self-absorbed, too overwhelmed to handle that only results in lots of neglected, abused, ignored and unwanted babies, Hey, just what we need! An army of psychopaths, forced to give birth to the next generation of psychopaths!
Fucking perfect.
As a culture, we sanction the use of deadly force in a number of different ways. Soldiers, obviously. And police officers. They are allowed to shoot to kill. Some cultures allow death penalties for certain crimes. I don’t agree with that, but it happens. Many countries allow average citizens to use deadly force to defend themselves against attackers. Hell, maybe ALL countries allow for that. We allow doctors to withdraw life support, thereby ensuring the death of the patient. Some countries allow assisted suicide.
There are criteria in place for where and when and under what circumstances the use of deadly force is allowed. So, at first blush, it seems reasonable that we should put some limits on the use of deadly force against a baby whose only crime is to be, for whatever reason, unwanted.
But on closer examination, it really doesn’t make any sense to have any limits at all. The vast majority of abortions take place in the first trimester anyways, when there is no neural activity, and no “I” exists. And some of those abortions can be reasonable, rational decisions that thinking, feeling, educated women make based on their own circumstances and desires. Women who take action quickly because they understand the decision and have a right to make it.
Late term abortions are performed for a number of different reasons, some of them pretty horrific.
IVF mom aborts her Downs Syndrome baby. That’s just sick. Killing a baby because it has some sort of disability is, in my mind, just cruel and brutal and awful. But how can anyone even think of condemning a child with special needs to a mother whose first desire is to murder him or her? What kind of love and care do you imagine such a woman would be capable of?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2174068/Dozens-IVF-babies-aborted-Downs-syndrome.html
How about the lady who had two perfectly healthy babies, but decided she wasn’t up for twins. Her apartment might be too crowded. So she ruminated like the fucking cow that she is and eventually decided to murder her son. This woman clearly has rocks where her brains should be and solid concrete for a heart. This bitch is just evil, plain and simple. Did she give any thought at all to how her daughter might feel, knowing that it might have been her that Mommy slaughtered in utero?
But again, once a slag like this has made the decision to kill a little boy, how do you reconcile forcing that little boy to grow up alongside her? What good is going to come of that?
The simple fact is that the world contains just as many simple, stupid, cruel, selfish, horrible women as it does men. And some of these women will become pregnant. Forcing them to have babies they don’t want can only end in misery, for the baby who must live with these psychopaths, and for the rest of us, who get to live in a world populated by unwanted, unloved, neglected children.
It’s an ugly truth. But that doesn’t stop it from being true.
Did you have a late term miscarriage? You lost a baby. Your baby died (and I’m so sorry for your loss).
Did you have a late term abortion? You murdered a baby. You are a bona fide psychopath, and you made the right decision. No child should be born to a woman like you.
judgybitch 
Hmm. Real-world consequences vs. “moral absolutes.” No sacred cows in Judgybitch’s world? Good for you, and good luck.
Incidentally, you might like Matt. Ho slaughtered another sacred cow today. I don’t always agree with him, but I deeply respect him for not toeing ANYBODY’S line.
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I understand your thinking here, JB, and it is obvious to me that you are speaking with the heart of a loving and compassionate mother. God bless you. But please consider: To sanction the death penalty for the “crime of being unwanted” shows where compassion can lead when it is not guided by those moral absolutes of which we all are innately aware and whose author by virtue of his omniscience really does know what is right and what is wrong. Murder is wrong. Period.
As to a person who would murder his or her baby: It’s a very good point that they very probably are not fit to give that child the love and nurture that he/she needs. That should be grounds for taking the child after birth and giving him/her to someone who will be a proper parent.
Let me repeat: I rejoice for your children and husband that they have been given such a dedicated wife and mother.
God bless you.
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@Jay
The trouble with that scenario is that the only way to know WHICH women would kill their own children is to LET them. How are you going to tell which woman would actually prefer her children dead if abortion is not an option?
It’s a completely disastrous situation, no doubt about it, but there are no half measures to be taken here. Women with deadly intent are common as dirt, and there would be far too many children for even the most openhearted of adoptive parents to accomodate.
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Hmm, this is a completely different perspective that I’ve never thought of before. I was always stuck on the whole definition for life part. Thank you for writing this post.
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It’s not always about taking care of a child with special needs…sometimes the woman prefers to have an abortion in order for the kid not to suffer, especially if it a sure death sentence.Like a woman choosing only to have sons and not daughters cause her mother died at 28 years of breast cancer.In this case she might just want to worry about her possible death and not her daughters dying in their 20’s from an overly aggressive-form of cancer.
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Whatever the reason, you are killing a baby and you have a right to do that, but have to moral courage to call it what it is: dead baby.
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Dear JB, I am ultimately pro-choice, but I do think that easy access to abortion affects the whole society by saying that human life is not worth a damn. That is pretty much where we are now.
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Call it empathy, but I would rather been born to a bitchy single psychopathic mother (I was) than never to have been born at all.
Sure, it sucks growing up hand-to-mouth, homeless half the time, hungry the other half, with a miserable life until you are old enough to make your own life.
But at least it’s life.
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This is a really interesting perspective. Overall, I agree with you – my only quibble is that many of these women getting abortions (particularly the teenage ones, imho) have been completely taken in by the whole “it’s just a clump of cells” rhetoric. And I mean completely, I didn’t even question whether it could be a baby when I was their age. Thank god I never got pregnant back then.
I think if our whole society shared your attitude, things would actually work out quite nicely. Abortion completely legal, law doesn’t touch it – but society completely looks down on you for doing such a thing. Only the most desperate, or the most depraved would still have abortions, those who aren’t so fucked up would find a way to make it work, or at least choose adoption. Personally, I like this model if only so there’d be a natural selective pressure for the mentally ill to not reproduce.
Honestly, I think we’re headed to that anyway, even if we’re taking the atrociously scenic route. Sites like afterabortion.com, filled with women, many whom had abortions like it was nothing, and then faced the horror of what they’d done afterward. I really think in another generation we’ll finally setting children up for this kind of aftermath.
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From what I’ve read in your other posts, your own mother was a wicked evil bitch of a woman, the kind that has no business having children. If she chose to abort you, would you justify her choice using your current beliefs? What would you want her to choose?
I agree that such women should not breed, but does that give them the right to absolutely deny the possibility of a happy life to her potential offspring?
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A difficult question.
There are no easy answers to that one.
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If there were easy answers to the abortion debate, it would be solved sooner rather than later.
It will take lots of hard thought to come up with a good answer that would be logically consistent. I my view, saying abortion is wrong, but wanting to kill your baby justifies killing your baby reeks of doublethink.
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Yeah, I won’t claim to have a logically consistent point of view on the topic. I’m still thinking it through, but the best I can come up with is that brain activity is what makes a person a person, and as long as abortion is carried out before that activity takes place, then a person hasn’t been killed.
That’s not perfect, obviously. The potential has to count for something, but I don’t know what.
An obvious part of the solution should be to prevent pregnancy in the first place.
It’s such a hard issue to think through. As all situations that result in the death of humans tend to be: the death penalty, war, self-defense killing, euthanasia…
No easy answers….
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I have roughly the same views as you, and suffer from the same inconsistencies.
Abortion is a horrible procedure, the ultimate shirking of responsibility, making someone else suffer for your mistakes/ineptitude/stupidity. Yet the people getting these abortions are the ones that don’t need to be breeding, so society as a whole is better off because of it. Believing in the rights of the individual, but ignoring them for the sake of the collective’s well-being.
The best compromise would be having it done early, when it isn’t capable of sustaining its own life. To believe in giving abortions as long as the baby is still in utero is sustaining the absurd notion that the vagina is a magical tunnel that endows the “life” status upon an individual.
You are right on the obvious solution, preventing unwanted pregnancies, part of that being sex ed including abstinence. An ounce prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Our ability to reproduce is the greatest and most powerful ability we possess. Unfortunately, we live in a hedonistic culture where something so profound has been trivialized into mere playthings that exist solely for our pleasure. We are told to embrace promiscuity, consequences be damned. Now we have a legacy of broken families, unwanted pregnancies, broken individuals that suffer from the effects of such beliefs, and a society with a heap of problems stemming from such activity.
It took a long time for our society to develop such a haphazard view of sexuality, it will be a long time for society to develop a culture involving healthy sexuality and respect for the power our genitals wield, and even longer to repair the damage done by the current culture we have today.
No easy answers, nor easy solutions…
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This is a great emotional argument, but I don’t accept the premise that it’s better to be dead than grow up in bad circumstances and MAYBE turn out badly.
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