http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FTVjKohaFE&feature=player_embedded
Oh my! Well this was quite the little dust-up. Zerlina Maxwell, a political commentator and social media analyst, went on Hannity and put forth the suggestion that the way to solve the “rape crisis” is to teach men NOT to rape.
What a brilliant idea! We could solve a lot of problems with this advice. An epidemic of car theft? Let’s line up all the men and teach them NOT to steal cars. A record number of home invasions and robbery? Line up, lads, and we’ll teach you NOT to break into houses and steal other people’s stuff. Skyrocketing rates of arson? Bring your lighters and cans of gasoline over here, gentlemen. We’re gonna teach you how to NOT burn shit down.
Now, now. I realize that only a small percentage of men steal cars, break and enter and start fires, but that really isn’t a relevant fact. SOME men do, so that means we need to treat ALL men as if they do. Some women are up to that kind of craziness, too, but shush now. We’re not talking about them.
Here is Zerlina’s strategy for teaching men not to be rapists:
Teach young men what the word consent means. You know, your average fifth grader knows what that word means, but let’s start with the assumption that men are just straight up stupid. And never mind the fact that the vast majority of men are not sexually violent. Ah, yes. An excellent start.
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Teach young men to see women’s humanity, instead of seeing them as sexual objects there for male pleasure. Make sure your humanity is visible under your push-up bra and don’t step on it with those 4 inch stilettos!
Teach young men how to express healthy masculinity. Which will be defined by women, of course.
Teach young men to believe women who come forward and not to blame the victim. And always buy that time-share condo in Florida. Those people never lie!
Teach young men about bystander intervention. Dudes, you MUST notice each and every lady that appears to be in distress and immediately leap from your white steed and charge to her rescue. Because equality.
Hey about we spin that around and make a list for WOMEN on how not to get raped?
Teach young women what the words implied consent mean. If you leave the keys in the ignition of your car, the law takes that as your implied consent to have people steal your car. We’re working on teaching people NOT to steal cars, but so far, no luck.
If you get really trashed, start making out with a man, go to his room, remove your clothes, then change your mind AND DON’T SAY ANYTHING, you have implied consent. Claiming you were “paralyzed with fear” is bullshit. If you have changed your mind, you have to SAY that. Otherwise your actions have implied consent. You can’t wake up the next day and decide you were raped.
http://judgybitch.com/2012/10/22/54/
http://rnbphilly.com/680791/date-rape-definitions-examples-precautions-help/
Teach young women to see men’s humanity, instead of seeing them as sexual objects there to flatter female vanity. Women don’t wear low-cut tops and miniskirts and high heels or tousle their hair and put on make-up and expect men to ignore them. Not a fucking chance. Women do those things to signal their sexual status to OTHER women, and to try and attract the highest quality man.
Instead of ranking men according to what they can provide, how about you just start treating them like people, with a wide range of interests and talents and personalities? Stop chasing after those star football players and you might find they stop treating you like a status whore.
Teach young women how to express healthy femininity. It begins by accepting responsibility for the choices you make, good and bad. You need to understand that the circumstances of your birth or your socialization are EXPLANATIONS for why you find some things difficult, and not EXCUSES that allow you to blame others for your own decisions. I really don’t give a fuck if your Mama socialized you to defer to every man at all times. You are a grown-up and you figure out how to work around what your Mama gave you. That’s what being a grown-up MEANS. If you’re that much of an emotional cripple that you can’t speak your own mind, you shouldn’t be interacting with anyone other than your cat and your therapist.
Teach young women not to lie about being raped. And no, not because false accusers make it difficult for other women to be believed. It’s actually really easy to convict someone of a crime: have some evidence. Voila!
You don’t lie about being raped because you are RUINING another person’s life. False accusations carry a social stigma far greater than any stigma a rape victim will face in her life. It’s one of the shittiest things you can do to a man. So don’t. End of story.
Teach young women they do not have an automatic right to male protection. While it’s awfully nice to have the protection of men who will intervene on your behalf, there is no way in hell any woman should go through life thinking she is entitled to that protection. There are things you can do to protect yourself from distressing situations, and you have some responsibility to do so. You can take reasonable precautions to prevent assault, robbery, car theft … any number of crimes. And yes, you can take steps to prevent rape.
Ultimately, Zerlina wants us, as a culture, to teach men to be “less sexually aggressive”. You want that Zerlina, and pretty much NO ONE ELSE,
Guess who is still required to make the first move? Guess who is waiting to be approached? Guess who has to take the emotional risk of rejection? Guess who is passive? And who is aggressive?
A great majority of women, 93%, preferred to be asked out — only 6% preferred to do the asking. The majority of men preferred to do the asking, 83%, while 16% preferred to be asked out on a date. It is interesting that more men preferred to be asked out (16%) than there were women who preferred to do the asking (6%). That difference suggests that 10% of men may be waiting quite a while for a woman to ask them out on a first date.
The truth is that both men and women like and expect men to be sexually aggressive. While no one (one seriously hopes) wants to see that aggression taken to the extreme of rape, the suggestion that we can fix “rape culture” by making men less aggressive runs exactly contrary to what we actually WANT and DO.
The death and rape threats Zerlina received after making her statements are disgusting, and no matter how stupid or ill-conceived her ideas are, she doesn’t deserve to be gang-raped for them! Let’s point out that her ideas are based on some completely hateful stereotypes about men, and that her suggestions run exactly counter to what we want, but we’ll draw the line at rape threats.
And that’s an equal opportunity line. Most of my rape threats come from women, so let’s join hands together and teach both men and women NOT to make rape threats on the internet.
Isn’t that so much better?
Lots of love,
JB
judgybitch 
would’ve been awesome if she had said this on like, oprah, and guy was there to provide a counter in an explosive fashion. would’ve had her thinking twice about saying shit like this. how is it that a woman can get away with calling all males (counting those are going from woman to man and such) the root of all the problems ever, regardless of something as basic as age, but when a man suggests the opposite everyone is grabbing a pitchfork? this is the kind of stupid i wish would suddenly go POOF! and not bother us anymore
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You know what you call a world in which men aren’t sexually aggressive?
A world in which women are crying tears of angst and loneliness.
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with children probably being a rare resource
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She was also trying to use this “reasoning” to justify why women shouldn’t be allowed to have or carry the most effective tools to protect themselves.
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Yeah I mainly focused on the bigotry of her article, but your take on it is true as well.
A few months ago somebody on AVFM suggested we call feminist’s bluff and push for policies that forbid men from hitting on women.
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As a man in his 40’s, I agree that (almost always) if you don’t initiate, you stay single.
So I’d just like to say to women who find it annoying if a man makes a first move (and I mean something simple, such as a courteous smile or “Hi, how are you”) — Men are not mind readers. They do this to gauge if there’s a possibility of mutual interest.
If you’re not interested then you don’t need to be rude – it’s easy to indicate that you’re not interested and still be civil (if you don’t know how then that’s a worry!) I believe feminism’s dehumanization of men in general has played a significant part in fostering this type of rudeness.
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“Teach young women what the words implied consent mean. If you leave the keys in the ignition of your car, the law takes that as your implied consent to have people steal your car. We’re working on teaching people NOT to steal cars, but so far, no luck.
If you get really trashed, start making out with a man, go to his room, remove your clothes, then change your mind AND DON’T SAY ANYTHING, you have implied consent. Claiming you were “paralyzed with fear” is bullshit. If you have changed your mind, you have to SAY that. Otherwise your actions have implied consent. You can’t wake up the next day and decide you were raped.”
Actually, I don’t think these are comparable. I think it goes even further than what you’re saying.
If a man finds a set of keys in a car he doesn’t own, he knows damn well that it’s not his, and it is wrong and a crime to take the car, even though it is easy. If a man is making out with a naked woman and she doesn’t make any indication that she’s changed her mind, he cannot possibly know that he’s doing anything wrong (and I would say that he isn’t, since he’s acting entirely reasonably based on the best knowledge he could have). It doesn’t become wrong due to regretsight.
The comparable would be that if you go home with a man you don’t know, then he starts removing your clothing, and continues when you clearly protest, and rapes you, that’s wrong, and he shouldn’t do it. But the fact is simply that some people will do that, just as some people will steal an accessible car even though that is wrong.
And until car thieves, rapists, and all other criminals cease to exist in our society (and concurrent with working towards making that world exist), a smart woman will lock her car doors, hang on to her keys, and not put herself in situations where it is easy for a criminal to rape her.
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The thing that should happen to women who complain about men in this manner is that all men should be warned to stay away from that woman. Such a woman is a sexual harrassment lawsuit about to happen. Just like women try to warn each other about sexual preditors, men need to protect themselves against false claims.
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So all men are potential rapists and need to be told about consent, but all men who are potential rapists should step in when they see a princess in distress so the potential rapist can save said princess from another potential rapist.
All the while these same men are as useful as a fish on a bicycle or something and a woman does not need them because she is strong and independent, until she does and they then have to get off the bicycle and help the princess in distress who is afraid of said rapist which all men are although……..oh I give up.
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up, Andy.
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I find it hard to believe anyone, even a moronic Feminist (but I repeat myself), is stupid enough to believe that men are raping women because they dont know they are not supposed to. This is just an excuse to belittle men and oppress them by casting them as violent beasts who have to be controlled for womens safety.
And like much of Feminism, its like a giant society wide shit test.
“Maybe this ridiculous bullshit will make them finally stand up to me and tell me to shut up. No? No men objecting, and Mangina beta boys still cheering me on? OK, what stupid demand can I make next? How about men be forced to pee sitting down?”
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One of the worst lies propagated by feminists is this idea that men need to be persuaded not to rape women. I feel insulted by the very existence of ‘take back the night’ rallies an their ilk.
Every feminist should be made to take a course in criminal psychology. The primary reason some men rape women has nothing to do with what they were taught about women; it is usually because they themselves were abused as children. Feminists will never acknowledge this, because rapists (like all men, in their minds) are causa sui; they cannot be victims, they are the apotheosis of the perpetrator against the oppressed women.
But, in fact, most rapists were abuse victims. And most rapists who were abuse victims were abused by women, usually their (most often single) mothers. Unlike this obscure ‘rape culture’ bullshit, the line of causality is pretty clear here; a child who is abused by his mother may up to hate women in general, since the maternal relationship is the foundation for all relationships with women. Any feminist who really wants to stop rape will start speaking out against child abuse (especially by mothers) against boys. They would discourage single motherhood when alternatives are available, and encourage family courts to give fathers greater access to their children. These are the ways to reduce the incidence of rape. If one just thinks about it for a second, can you you really imagine a psychologically damaged rapist who was abused as a child or a sociopath being ‘convinced’ not to rape women by being told it’s wrong, to respect women’s humanity? They don’t care. They never will. The only men susceptible to this crap is precisely the group that does not need to be persuaded not to rape: mentally healthy men with consciences (the vast majority, of course).
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there is an old saying for guys “to hesitate is to masterbate” love ya JB
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“Ultimately, Zerlina wants us, as a culture, to teach men to be “less sexually aggressive”. You want that Zerlina, and pretty much NO ONE ELSE,
Guess who is still required to make the first move? Guess who is waiting to be approached? Guess who has to take the emotional risk of rejection? ”
That’s not sexual aggression.
“The truth is that both men and women like and expect men to be sexually aggressive”.
Wrong.
“While no one (one seriously hopes) wants to see that aggression taken to the extreme of rape, the suggestion that we can fix “rape culture” by making men less aggressive runs exactly contrary to what we actually WANT and DO.”
“A great majority of women, 93%, preferred to be asked out — only 6% preferred to do the asking. The majority of men preferred to do the asking, 83%, while 16% preferred to be asked out on a date. It is interesting that more men preferred to be asked out (16%) than there were women who preferred to do the asking (6%). That difference suggests that 10% of men may be waiting quite a while for a woman to ask them out on a first date.”
Asking someone out on a date is NOT “sexually aggressive” and it is not what Zerlina is talking about.
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Nice parsing there to totally sidestep the point. How about the mandatory “don’t rape” training? What’s your thoughts on that?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html
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Anyone (man or woman) who says “teach men not to rape” or “don’t forget to not rape” is a danger to humanity’s collective IQ and should be strapped to a rocket and blasted into space.
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Thunderf00t gave a nice little debunking video on this very subject. He seemed pretty annoyed by it because he would’ve preferred to be talking about religion instead, but apparently these hypocrites have even been trying to hijack the atheist community and silence dissent (with little success mark you)
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congratulations for trying to undo years of feminist indoctrination – the mere idea that women should take some responsibility for their own safety is such a novel idea and everyone else hopes it catches on except the ones who benefit from victimhood (feminists)
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