Hanna Roisin, writing over at slate.com has an interesting piece up in which she waxes poetic about the “maternal sympathy” Dzokhar Tsarnaev is eliciting amongst her friends and acquaintances. Hanna doesn’t agree with the sentiments, she is just noting them.
Her condemnation falls a little short, in my estimation, but what really sent my heart rate soaring was her link to a pastebin site in which young women are writing fan fiction AKA erotica about this little piece of worthless human shit.
[Dzhokhar] sounded much more terrified than you could have possibly been. “Are you okay?” You begged him to tell you he was fine, nobody really knew. “I’m hit, in the leg, but I- wait what? You’re asking if I’m okay?” He was surprised, but calmer now. “I know you didn’t do it, and even if you did, I know you aren’t harmful.” He sighed with your words, he felt safe for the first time since he saw his face on the television.
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1gRSS5ZB
I…
Can’t…
Even….
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
We all know I do not approve of physical violence against children, but holy mother of god would I like the line these girls up and slap the shit out of them. There’s a fancy word for this kind behavior: Hybristophilia. It’s technically classified as a mental illness that falls under the category of paraphilias, but to me, that is one giant cop out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia
This isn’t mental illness. It’s straight up evil. It’s a choice made by people who are so heartless and cruel they scarcely qualify as human. Schizophrenia, which NO ONE volunteers for, is a mental illness. Creaming your panties over someone who BLEW THE LEGS OFF CHILDREN is pure, unadulterated evil.
And once again, because the perpetrators of this evil are women, and mostly young women, we refuse as a culture to confront it.
Let’s start with the obvious: why do young women like Dzokhar? Well, he’s cute! Look at him! What a pretty boy.
Of course he’s not so pretty here, smirking and dropping his homemade bomb at the feet of the children he mains and kills.
Funny, but I can’t find a whole lot of fan fiction eroticizing encounters with this man:
But then he’s kind of an ugly fucker, isn’t he?
The mainstream media like to keep up a constant conversation about how women are objectified and treated as mere vessels for the male gaze and how much this harms young women, but in a culture that has room for young women to write sexual fantasies about a mass murderer for no reason other than the fact that he’s physically appealing, exactly who is objectifying whom?
http://jezebel.com/forensic-sketch-artist-proves-youre-your-own-worst-cri-473356117
http://www.mybodybeautiful.co.uk/Sexualisation%20of%20Society/Sexual_Objectification_Page1.htm
Let’s talk for a second about how the media has responded to Dzokhar and his equally appealing brother Tamerlan.
What irritates me beyond belief is that the action of these two deranged murderers is linked very specifically to masculinity. Why are terrorists so often men?, wonders Irin Carmon at Salon.
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/25/why_are_terrorists_so_often_men/
I guess she’s just conveniently ignoring the 35 people killed by a female suicide bomber in Moscow then? And these ladies are just outliers, right?
http://www.newser.com/story/110437/35-killed-in-explosion-at-moscows-top-airport.html
Suicide bombers are not very common to begin with, but it didn’t take a whole lot of effort for me to locate multiple examples of women as terrorists, and those are just the ones pulling the trigger.
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/caj/documents/vol_14/iss_1/caj_vol14.1_17_e.pdf
It looks like Dzokhar’s mother was pretty gung-ho about jihad and introduced her little darlings to the concept at the dinner table quite regularly. When you include all the women working behind the scenes to promote and support terrorism and terrorist causes, there is precisely ZERO evidence that men are more involved in craziness than women.
Another example of formal/informal power structures. When you account for informal power structures, women tend to have the upper hand. Is it so hard to believe the same is true when it comes to terrorism?
So what is behind this effort to link terrorists and the Tsarnaevs in particular to the masculine and not the depraved?
“Large public acts of terrorism are very public displays of masculinity, making a statement in the biggest way possible,” says Abby Ferber, a sociologist at the University of Colorado who has studied white supremacist groups and masculinity. In her work, she said, she often encountered a “vulnerability to their sense of masculinity whether it’s their relationship with their father, their culture. And there are a limited number of ways in the culture to show your masculinity.” In the absence of the traditional forms of masculinity — including financial or social power — “you’re more likely to see extreme means. They’re showing that they’re real men, man enough to do something like this.”
Let’s take a close look at what our little sociologist is claiming. She offers three definitions of masculinity:
- Social power
- Financial power
- Large public acts of terrorism
Then she claims that there are limited numbers of ways to show masculinity in our culture, and goes ahead and blames men’s relationships with their fathers for the resulting “extreme means”.
There’s kind of a sick admission written into that quote, isn’t there? Men’s social and financial power has been deliberately and strategically limited and the relationship with their fathers fractured and their only response is to blow up innocent people because masculinity.
The heart wrenching truth is that men facing this new world of limited social and financial power do indeed take extreme measures …. against themselves. Suicide is now outpacing traffic accidents as the leading cause of death for men in America.
Two men set off bombs and hundreds of men picked up the pieces and all of this is invisible to Abby and her ilk? Why is that?
http://judgybitch.com/2013/04/17/a-bomb-goes-off-in-boston-and-shows-america-why-we-need-men/
http://judgybitch.com/2013/04/18/boston-part-two-for-all-the-boys-who-werent-in-blue/
You know, I wouldn’t have such a problem with the media claiming masculinity is the root of all violence and evil in our society if they were at least as willing to point to femininity as being equally destructive. Those girls writing fan fiction for Dzokhar could be understood as simply responding to a perceived alpha male in a characteristically and predictably feminine way: by offering to suck his dick.
But oh no. Those girls are simply misguided. Poor dears need some assistance and time to work through their hybristophilia. Dkokhar and Tamerlan, on the other hand, stand for everything masculinity wants to do to our culture and society.
Blow it up. Destroy it. Smash it. Pulverize it. Terrorize us and turn us into whimpering children cowering in the corners. Obviously, we need to contain this threat. Destroy the masculine before it destroys us.
These women, and it mostly IS women who write so viciously about men and masculinity, appear not to have noticed the entire trajectory of human history. It’s like they are trapped in a present, unable to see the past and completely unwilling to contemplate the future.
When has murdering innocent children ever been a hall-mark of manliness? When has inducing fear and terror and loathing ever been a sign of masculine strength? What men are these women talking about? What version of humanity are they subscribing to?
Has the world gone mad on occasion, descended into war and chaos and fire and blood?
Yes. It has. And what force set the world to right again? Who is it that picked up arms or took on the leadership of nations or wrote and codified laws and rules and then enforced them to ensure peace and security? Who did all those things? Who built the fences that keep chaos at bay? Who patrols the edges of our world and secures the perimeter against encroaching wilderness? Who is it that serves, protects, dies to guarantee our safety?
Do I really need to answer that for you?
Evil exists. It always has and it always will. Sometimes it comes in the form of two pretty white boys with exotic names and poison in their blood.
And sometimes it will come in the form of young women writing erotic paeans to monsters who would kill them.
When we take only one side of that, and use it to demonize half of humanity, we are adding to the evil. We are helping to create a world where the monsters are not outside the gates, but right here amongst us. Masculinity isn’t the reason for terrorism. And stomping out men won’t protect us from the monsters.
Just the opposite. Having sympathy for Dzokhar Tsarnaev is having sympathy for the devil. It’s a way of admitting that he could be “any man”. That all men have the capacity to load a pressure cooker with ball bearings and tear the legs off children and leave them to bleed to death in the streets. If all men are capable of that, then all men are dangerous.
The media WANTS you to feel sorry for Dzokhar. They want you to accept that he could be you.
Don’t believe it. The only thing you should feel sorry about is that Dzokhar didn’t end up the same as Tamerlan. I’ll confess this picture gives me satisfaction. It’s an autopsy photo of Tamerlan. Obviously graphic.
http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg
“The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.”
― Albert Einstein
Let’s not be those people. Let Dzokhar have his justice. I won’t be shedding a single tear.
Lots of love,
JB
judgybitch 
“I know you aren’t harmful.” WTF?!
I’m so glad you wrote this. I was just railing at my husband (poor guy) about the fact that the media really whitewashes the role of women in terrorism. I’ve been reading about Tsarnaev’s mother and she sounds like a nut job who is most likely responsible for the radicalization of these two men. I have also been hearing that they found female DNA on the bomb fragments and the FBI is trying to figure out who it belongs to.
But this whole fan-fiction bullshit… I don’t even know where to begin with that. Like you said, it’s not just sick, it’s evil.
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Ugh I hate fanfic in general, but here’s just a new reason to hate it.
And re: masculinity being some great evil… I don’t get this “masculinity is expressed through large acts of terrorism” nonsense. It’s a blatant disregard of what patriarchy actually IS/was. If masculinity was about rampant evil and destruction, our species would not have survived. The whole point was “protect the women and the children” so the species could freaking survive. I swear.
Also, as a side note, i was reading some interesting, what many would consider very misogynistic things regarding male and female relationships and how strongly women tended to defer to and seek to “obey” their men in relationships. People see stuff like that and they are like “Thank God for Feminism”… but I think it’s more a bit of a secret turn-on than “oppression”. It’s almost like, in a culture that was repressed in a lot of other ways there was almost a kink subtext that flowed through most relationships. But outside of that cultural context we see men as these assholes demanding sandwiches all the time. *eye roll* I think it’s something much more deeply and erotically ingrained.
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Funny how almost all male insanity somehow comes down to a crazyass mother, isn’t it? We’ve talked about before how many male rapists were molested or seriously abused in other ways by mothers or female childcare workers when they were too young and small to defend themselves. That could have something to do with men fighting their natural protective instinct toward women to harm them instead… you think?
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Oh, and I mean stuff from decades ago. Not now. I didn’t clarify that in my post. It’s safe to say almost NO female wants to “obey” ANY male, outside the kink subculture. Which is probably why that’s growing, but I digress. You can’t fight nature.
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I really don’t believe that the mother radicalized them but I doubt it would have bothered her.
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Yes, men/masculinity/testosterone have committed more than their fair share of atrocities throughout history. No denying that. Men are (and should be) brutal. BUUUUUT…..(as you have pointed out on more than one occasion)….who were the emergency responders on scene? The doctors who worked on the victims? The person who invented the camera technology that allow us to see all these juicy pre-blast photos? The inventor of the medical equipment that allowed multiple lives to be saved?……I don’t think I need to go on. The SINISTER EVIL as well as the GIFT TO ALL HUMANITY ends of the bell curve are predominately male. All these fat of the curve (ooo…pun?) females need to remember to look right, as well as left, before spewing forth nonsense.
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I’m confused by your reply. It seems to me not-uncommon for partnerships (sex and gender regardless) to have a dominant/submissive tone, where one party is more likely to take the lead, and the other is more likely to followup/suggest alterations. And, though I’m generalizing without stats, most women seem to agree that they want a man to take the lead on dates, especially first dates, and are turned off if that doesn’t happen. It doesn’t mean “obey unconditionally” but it does mean to put one person in charge generally. I don’t think anyone outside of a muslim household is ever suggesting unconditional obeyance.
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The world is full of crazy retards. I think the main thing that distinguishes Tsarnaev from others is the fact that he happens to be alive. Some women swoon over serial killers too. Even the ugliest of ugly motherfuckers.
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That picture of the scumbag stanging behind the boy he is about to kill and the crowd of innocent people he is going to injure severely always gets me furious.
There is only one way to deal with shit heads like that and that is to make them suffer. As my Prime Minister said, don’t “commit sociology” on them. Don’t try to understand why they hate us. Fuck them up and show them how we feel. I think he should have to face a crowd of people, including victims each anniversary of the event from now on. Give each victim a bag of oranges and five minutes to wail away on him.
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From what I’ve read it sounds like she might have had a lot to do with their particular worldview. The people she associated with- and brought them into contact to- were a huge influence. It’s hard to know what’s what right now (lots of speculation) but I don’t think dear old mom was an innocent bystander.
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You are basically reacting to this situation like a feminist would react to a rapist who have been abused at a young age. Just doing what you suggested simply shows that the public is no different than the killers. A human being must be either mentally ill or psychologically pushed to extreme for him/her to turn to murder. No human being can pick up a weapon and simply kill someone. It causes shock and immense emotional distress. Its why alot of soldiers are psychologically fucked after a war. The two killers were likely brainwashed by extremist ideology thereby being convinced that what they are doing is righteous (same way radfembots feel that destroying men’s lives is the right thing to do). This is why military commanders care about morale and rulers first paint their enemies as being the devil himself before going on the offensive.
Also studying the background of these killers will help law enforcement or better yet the general public detect a potential mass murderer before the mass murder occurs. Imagine if the people with whom the boston bombers interacted with (including Tamerlan’s boxing trainer) were equipped with the knowledge of what makes a person into a murderer. They could have stopped this from happening and those two little boys and a whole lot of people would have lived.
Throwing oranges at them would not have brought back the dead. Neither would it deter other potential mass murderers. In fact seeing the public act like bullies and jackasses would only motivate them more and/or play right into the whatever manipulative extremist ideology a potential mass murderer is being fed.
Definitely agree with JB on the erotic writing about the killers and those girls need help too (whether it be in form of discipline or not dunno). But regarding how to deal with the killers I disagree. Lock them up isolated in a psych ward and study them. See if their brain functions physically different as well etc etc. And after all the data has been gathered then put them down humanely.
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Of course it doesn’t mean “obey unconditionally”, but I think “obedience” is highly eroticized in gender traditional relationships which is then later misinterpreted by people who think this is some kind of wholesale oppression. I made a post about this which is part of why my brain was in this space:
http://missannethrope.com/2013/05/03/the-patriarchy-oppressing-women-since-um-oh-look-pretty-flowers/
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Also, I don’t think outside of an EXTREME muslim household that it’s even true in muslim households. Men, in general, are pretty reasonable human beings. This is not about oppression, it’s about IMO urges both sexes tend to have toward each other. When those urges are suppressed or decried as “bad” or “wrong”, more extreme expressions come out.
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LMAO @ “the world is full of crazy retards”.
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I think those girls need to channel their kink into something more healthy.
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It’s been my experience that the more you try to stomp out masculine behavior in a boy, the more the fucked up man he becomes. Being masculine is great when you frame in in the context of society, but when you treat it like an evil, then the boy internalizes it and comes to view himself as evil.
I would love to see a study that compares outcomes of boys raised by mainstream couples vs feminists. I think that may shed some light on the issue.
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Obviously, we need to contain this threat. Destroy the masculine before it destroys us.
This is a core tenet of the more radical feminist thought. All men by their very nature are inherently violent and could pop off at any second. Therefore, in order to achieve the feminist goal of deconstructing Patriarchy, men and masculinity must be always painted as violent and evil. That way, masculinity, or so the theory goes, can be actually made evil and then rejected completely by society. If you can shame men into denying their masculinity, you are well on the road to turning them into women, the ultimate goal of feminism. (After which it will be all the easier to eliminate most or all of them.)
This is not an accident, it’s a fundamental goal.
As for terrorist bomber fanfic, it’s a natural outgrowth of the female desire for the bad boy. Of course, this is taking it to an extreme, but it’s not an unknown extreme. Serial killers and death row inmates get the most letter and marriage proposals from women of all prisoners. And many of them actually marry while in prison.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/No-shortage-of-women-who-dream-of-snaring-a-2689657.php
The female sympathy isn’t due to some misplaced maternal instinct as Salon would have us believe. And putting a fancy-sounding name on it like Hybristophilia doesn’t change the fact that many of these women are just turned on my powerful, violent men, the “bad boy” writ large.
Is the porny terrorist fanfic evil? I don’t know. Maybe. But, then, 40% of women admit to having rape fantasies with a median frequency of once a month, and such fantasies are the lifeblood of the very lucrative romance novel industry. So, evil or just a particularly twisted hypergamy? I don’t know.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean
Finally, while I understand the satisfaction found in wishing this kid dead, I think spending 23-hours a day in a 7′ x 12′ nearly windowless concrete cell for 60 to 70 years might also suffice…
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I think i should start by saying that i am a muslim. Believe me when i tell you, neither Osama, the Tsarnaevs or any other terrorists represent what Islam truly is about. But thats another story for another day. They are radicalised murderers.
I from South East Asia where Islam makes up a large part of the population and i personally know of no one who supports or condone such things.
Also i assume the links JB posted about the female bombers in Moscow are Chechens. Before anyone judges, they should read a bit more into Chechen-Russian wars etc. Fairl similar situation to Palestine-Israel in some ways.
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You can start here, Marlo.
Children with TWO parents score higher on intelligence tests than those raised by one parent.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/15099/20130502/mom-brain-education-two-parents-smarter-parenting.htm
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Mik,
I am opposed to ALL fundamentalist religions. Islam has no special place in history as far as atrocities committed in the name of faith go, which is why I am not singling out religion as a point of criticism.
Even Jedis can be crazy motherfuckers once they go fundamental.
http://www.jedimasters.info/jedifundamentalism.htm
Moderation in everything.
Bullshit platitude of the day? Check! Done and done!
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I think “obey” as a word is problematic. Women want men to lead, which is what I believe obey was traditionally meant to connote, but balk (understandably) at the idea of unconditional obedience. Feminism tells us to go against our instincts and bondage fiction seems to be the refuge of the modern woman who is still looking, even unconsciously, for a strong man.
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YES! This exactly. But I like the word “obey”, but then I just like to be subversive like that. I’m so annoyed by the feminist garbage that I’ll casually say I obey my husband just to F their shit up. It IS true, but it’s also true that I use that language specifically just to freak them out and because I know they misinterpret it as “unconditional” obedience. (I’m not sure why obedience is assumed not to have any conditions, but meh.)
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Wow. I always thought Jedi was just a “joke religion”. They might all come murder us in our beds while we are laughing and imagining they duel all day with light sabers.
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I don’t mind the word “obey” personally- but then I chose to be a traditional wife and mother. My existence is enough to send many feminists into a tizzy. So yeah, there’s a certain joy in throwing the word in their face because they truly misunderstand what it really means.
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OK. First, you’re conflating murderers with terrorists. These young men had a political agenda which makes them terrorists. The cause for their terrorist murdering spree was the religion which they follow. Brainwashing is another excuse – they were adults. America gave them all the chances and opportunities available to anyone and they spat in the face.
Wailing on them with a bag of oranges won’t bring them back, of course. I really want the public shame aspect of making them look the maimed victims in the eye yearly. This will force the ones who spread this hatred in the name of allah to think twice about the consequences. When (not if) he breaks down and cries in front of the whole world, forced to face the pain he’s caused, the message will be sent about what they are doing is bringing shame to their religion.
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There are people who actually see themselves as real Jedi? Or that it’s a real religion? I know I should be shocked- but really, there are people who consider themselves Satanists…. So, yeah.
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I meant to respond to the masculinity aspect before I got emotional about terrorism.
Feminism has demonized all masculine intents. The masculine urge to help and protect is called misogynistic and demeaning to women. The masculine urge to build and create is now destroying the environment and somehow done to just control women, women were excluded. Then, after taking the good, creative, loving aspects of masculinity they say that masculinity is just about killing and fighting – because that’s the only part they’ve left.
Feminists, they’ve got it all figured out.
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In the last census in the UK, of the people who chose “other religion” there were 177,000 who chose “Jedi” outnumbering pagans and atheists. May the Force be with them…
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hehehe don’t you love it? 😛 I was feeling weird the other day because I actually like housework. (I figured out it’s partly writing procrastination LOL, but… hey… still.) “Obey” is nothing to me… it’s “liking” housework that makes me feel like a weirdo. (And really, I probably am haha.)
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I knew people were doing that, but I always thought it was more an organized joke.
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For some of them, maybe most of them, it probably is. But knowing human nature, I’m sure it’s quite serious. I used to have to attend science-fiction conventions in a professional capacity and I can attest that there are some very…odd…people out there.
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hahahaha fair enough!
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Another thing. How are you supposed to read the thoughts of a potential terrorist?
I have met a lot of imbalanced people and a lot of hate-filled people. What makes you think that someone could tell the difference between your garden variety sick person and someone who is planning mass murder? How would I report it and how would police respond?
Mayne they will discover the terrorist brain wave and just test everyone. Lock upbthe ones who show it so the rest of us can live in peace? At least it will bw “humane” I bet.
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That there is just a part of hypergamy. As a teen I used to read all sorts of fanfiction, and I remember there was a lot of bad guy romance being written, even if he killed tons of innocent people (although I was more into reading bullied unloved hero stuff). Usually there is something wrong with his childhood, or he’s sad about something, and the heroine can cure all that. I dunno if I can call it evil, because it’s just a story written for the sexual pleasure of the writer and similar minds. But it probably made men co-evolve all those risk-taking displays of masculinity, including willingness to do violence. Maybe I’ve just been in the manosphere for too long, but this female taste fails to shock, and seems almost normal. Each time some guy kills tons of people, he is sent love letters and stuff. I didn’t believe it until Anders Behring Breivik became attractive to women. But there you go!
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So I wouldn’t link senseless violence to masculinity, and say masculinity if the root of evil. Masculinity is just a tool. It just so happens men have more tools to do direct violence like that, while women more often use indirect tools. Like you observe, men also have the same tool for saving and protecting, which women have less off…
It’s silly to pretend men are passive risk-avoiding little darlings though, and are less directly violent (mostly to each other).
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I, for one, am in total favor of culling that herd.
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What does culling mean?
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a nice way of putting it is “removing/relocating”. which pretty much fits the bill, but it mostly has, say, the plague as the remover. or a couple of batshit crazy chesnians with pressure cookers and ball bearings. whatever floats your boat really, the same thing happens
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To cull is to remove undesirable members of a population so that the remaining members have more resources to split between them.
It is common in farming and ranching. If you’ve ever wondered why the apples you buy at the store are so much bigger than the ones you grow in your back yard it’s because the farmers selectively cull the apples when they are buds so the apples left grow bigger.
Likewise ranchers tend to cull their livestock herd prior to winter so they have less to feed over the winter.
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I WISH I liked housework. I like having a clean house but don’t love scrubbing the shower.
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I like it because I get story ideas when I do it. and also sitting in front of a computer screen so much I need to do stuff that lets me get up and take a break. It’s sort of mindless… but also sort of zen. It just chills me out. I promise I’m not a Stepford Wife. I HATE grocery shopping. OMG hate it.
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Lol! My mom hated grocery shopping too. I took over as soon as I learned to drive– so I have positive associations with it. I probably go at least three times a week. So I’m weird too.
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Everyone, thanks for answering my question.
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Now that I know what culling means, did you mean that for the bad boy-loving fanfiction writers, or the killers?
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I certainly did not mean it that way. Apologies if i came off as such. Considering the state of things and the rep majority of Muslims get, i just wanted to re-assure readers that actually, the majority of us aren’t like that.
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HA! Do you want to do my grocery shopping too? I don’t know why I hate it so much. I wish I could like it because I have to do it every damn week.
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That’s how I feel about laundry. Ugh.
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I wouldn’t place this in the same category as ‘bad-boy loving fanfiction’. Fan fiction is fiction. This is hero worship. This is how we get deranged copycat psychos looking to make a name for themselves repeating the behavior. Take them out of the gene pool. This isn’t just your standard crazy, it’s dangerous crazy. It isn’t hypergamy, it’s anti-Darwin.
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Just to add:
I’m not in charge. If I had a magical dancing, singing, teleporting squirrel at my disposal that could geld and spay I would send it to their door (ending that song and dance routine with ‘this has been an automated response’ would be perfection! someone needs to invent that…). Or if I had a ‘wish someone dead’ button thieved from DARPA, that would prove useful. I have neither.
I don’t care about anyone’s personal justifications for what they do. I don’t care why slaughtering children makes some people wet nor do I care why people who slaughter children make some people wet via those actions. I just know the world would be a lot better place, and innocent people safer without them. If innocent people are safer without you, it is in everyone’s interest that you don’t’ reproduce (at a minimum).
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Osama bin Laden?
Try this:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
Per definition, a terrorist attack is aimed to create a societal change through fear.
Given that, it makes no sense to create an elaborate fear inducing plot, and when you got the attention of the world, when you get you chance to get you message out and try to make a societal impact… you deny any involvement.
Building 7
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Lets hear it from Sibel Edmonds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds
Here we go:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sibel-edmonds-cia-ran-tsarnaev-brothers.html
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I could only watch the first half of that. It took a while for them to spit it out, but from the slow leak I think I followed.
Apparently we’re supposed to believe that the Tsarnaev brothers were CIA operatives, used as useful stooges while the CIA framed them and bombed our citizens during the Boston marathon. For the purpose of…invasion of Syria. Implication being, apparently, the Russians have been our main interference there, but if we agree to assign the terrorist label to the people…the exact group wasn’t clear in the first half of the video, she just kept saying the Caucasus, guess we’re going to assign the terrorist label to the whole area (that’s a first), so that the Russians would feel free to really lay down the law over there. Because they’ve been awaiting world opinion, that’s how they roll, and really need our okay. For someone who repeatedly waxed poetic about the gross ignorance of the public in international matters this is quite a claim. She should really read up on the history of the area. Actually, it sounded as though the lady was asserting that all terrorists in that area are CIA fed operatives. So I guess we’re responsible for that Beslan massacre at the schoolhouse nine years ago when “our operatives” took a thousand hostages and nearly 200 children died.
She was right in one respect, we do change our terrorist (and enemy) labels from time to time if prudence dictates it’s a good plan or necessary. It isn’t on a whim, as she implied. We were in bed with the Soviets during the great war. But currently only if and when those groups have agreed to certain terms and made serious concessions. We’ve needed plenty of people that we eventually had to stop working with due to continued bad behavior. We needed that base in Uzbekistan as much for logistical support when we left as we did when we started using it. The MEK she mentioned (though she called it the MKO, another acronym). In this particular case, the MEK in Iraq negotiated an agreement that resulted in the surrender of the MEK’s weapons and munitions caches, after a ceasefire that was effectively a surrender. Their heavy weapons were under control of US forces, and all munitions caches formerly belonging to the MEK were destroyed by 4th ID. The approximately 4,000 MEK members at Camp Ashraf were detained, disarmed and screened for involvement in past terrorist acts. But we did use what remained of the MEK. It would have been stupid to simply ignore a potential source of useful information.
Okay, that was longwind….and only a modicum of what’s on my mind, but I won’t go further.
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Anyone who is psychopathic enough to commit acts of mass murder is not going to fall into tears upon seeing their maimed victims. They have no shame otherwise if they would not have committed the act in the first place.Similarly, the US mass bombings of Iraq and Afghanistan has not stopped the people their from taking up arms and resorting to terrorism.
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Okay then at least do background checks on them (their history, culture, family, lifestyle, what happened in their lives etc etc). Such studies have been done for common criminals, gangsters and thugs and it was found that these people came from broken households deep in poverty. So the solution to tackling crime became tackling poverty. Less poverty means broken households and thus less crime. Why not apply the same for terrorists?? We already know being surrounded by hateful extremist ideologues (more often than not) can push a person to commit acts of terrorism. And no, unless you have constant exposure to alternative perspectives, even adults will become prey to psychological manipulation.
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I’ll do your laundry if you do my grocery shopping. I love laundry, I catch up on my shows while I do it lol.
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“Rose and Valerie screaming from the gallery say he must go free/the judge does not agree and he tells them so.”
Give the Beatles credit for picking up on this odd aspect of female behavior in their 1969 song about a serial killer, “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer.”
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Deal!
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Rule 34. Its inevitable.
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Majority of atheists aren’t like Stalin nor Pol Pot. Crimes committed by them were NOT motivated by atheism, though. Hunger for power and disregard for lives of people which stood in the way of achieving and maintaining that power was enough motivation.
And here we have probable cases of hunger for popularity, perhaps even for martyrdom as “saint warriors of God”. It would be nice if more Muslims (especially mullahs) were to state loudly that killing random bystanders is NOT the way to Jannah (Muslim paradise).
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The word “bastard” has two meanings…a cruel, heartless man and a fatherless boy. In other words, a man raised by a woman,
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“And, though I’m generalizing without stats, most women seem to agree that they want a man to take the lead on dates, especially first dates, and are turned off if that doesn’t happen. It doesn’t mean “obey unconditionally”:”
You can’t have it both ways. Either you obey or you don’t. You can’t pick and choose.
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Actually it means a child born out of wedlock. Being fatherless through the father’s death or divorce doesn’t make one a bastard.
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Relationships are not a binary. Do you REALLY want a woman who mindlessly and completely obeys you at all times and NEVER disagrees with you on anything? That’s a robot not a human being.
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hell, even 24/7 kink-based power-exchange relationships don’t include 100% total mindless obedience with no deviation. So yeah, NO human being under any circumstances “obeys unconditionally” always at all times. If they do, they’ve had a lobotomy.
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One year for Christmas, my brother had a bunch of friends from college come stay with my family for a week. He didn’t tell my mom until they arrived that one of the girls in the group was a muslim. My brother attended a Christian university and the girl’s family wanted her to go to a place that shared the same values even if they didn’t share all the same doctrinal beliefs. (They were obviously not muslim fundamentalists.)
My brother didn’t tell my mom the girl was a muslim until everybody got there because he knew my mom would freak out and worry and have all kinds of weird ideas in her head. Needless to say, everything was fine. My mother fell in love with that girl and probably would have been fine with my brother marrying her if they’d been more than friends. (They weren’t.) It was a big education for my family on how normal and “like most Christians” most muslims really are. i.e. the terrorists are like the Westboro Baptist Church, not representative of most by a long shot.
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i don’t mind if you and all of your stupid fucking friends want to be idiots in private, but could you try harder not to let it all out in public all the time? it is getting exhausting.
I know, fire can’t melt steel, right? fucking moron.
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I think yesterday was the Jedi’s most sacred day!
May the forth be with you.
Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.
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Do you REALLY want a woman who thinks she has the right to veto everything you want to do, who must be wooed and persuaded in order for you to be able to accomplish anything? Who does that make “the decider”?
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In the past, such capacity for violence (and possibly leadership) wouldn’t be a disadvantage. It could mean winning all the resources and reproducing tons. It was not anti-darwin. It’s indeed a part of hypergamy, which has both good and bad sides.
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Grumpy? Remember that time you lit your oven for five second or whatever the duration of a gas combustion is, and your oven turned into gum-like consistency and started to implode at freefall speed?
Yeah, that was bin Laden fucking with the laws of conservation of energy just to make you fill all shitty.
He was such a dick.
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This is fallacy of the false dichotomy.
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I don’t know any ovens that go over 500 degrees. Perhaps you are thinking of a kiln. When an airplane hits with tens of thousands of pounds of jet fuel at high speed, I assure you it does burn. There are crash sites from far smaller jets with essentially nothing left but a great wide burned out hole in the ground at the point of impact.
Since one cannot prove a negative it is extremely frustrating to debate conspiracy theoriests. I feel goober’s pain. Furthermore, it is impractical if not impossible to refute every claim advanced. Like a hydra, when you cut off the head of one, three more spring up. When you refute one claim there’s another, and another, and another….it’s like trying to combat poison with a mallet.
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Further wasting energy and bandwidth…steel does not have to burn for a building to collapse, it only has to weaken. There is a tremendous load on a structure like that. Think of the amusement park ride with a faulty bolt made in China that was cast rather than forged. Result under high load=stress fracture and eventual failure, even without the heat.
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I strongly disagree. Propensity for violence is not ipso facto a display of alpha behavior, nor does it indicate any natural propensity for leadership. Anyone drown a litter of kittens in a bag. It’s called pusillanimous violence. Shooting your mother while she sleeps/bombing people at the end of a marathon/ slaughtering children at school is not a display of dominance. When bucks duel for dominance to win the herd, they don’t duel bambi, they duel other bucks.
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Think I’ll add more. I as a person married to a man with a strong ‘propensity for violence’ I find this insulting to such men.
Pussilanimous violence does not “win all the resources and reproducing tons”. It is more likely to win an icepick to the base of the neck while sleeping (others are capable of that type of violence too…I’d definitely end this fucker’s life). If what you say is true and this is a natural survivalist mechanism, women should be enamored with these individuals en masse, rather than a few fringe imbeciles. They aren’t.
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They don’t have to. Hypergamy is not the same for everyone. However, violent criminals will tell you that violent crime is a sure way to get laid. Wealth, fame and game can have the same effect, but it’s still a pretty established fact. It’s definitely not just a few fringe imbeciles. If it was, this type of thing (killers attracting horny female attention) would be a rarity too, but it seems to work every time.
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But bombing is not so easy. It’s hardly like drowing a bag of kittens. You have to be smart, get the supplies, and then put a bomb together, without blowing yourself up or getting arrested. You also have to be willing to commit something like that for a cause bigger than yourself. This logic may be disgusting, but I can totally see how it can appeal to some women.
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One more thing. Just because something is natural, doesn’t mean it has to show up in every woman’s behavior. For example, some men rape. But most men do not. However, it is a trait that shows up in every culture and every time, which is likely because it’s not learned. Of course, being natural doesn’t automatically make it good.
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Damn JB your blog is taking off, my comments are just buried these days….
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Emma, do you actually come across a lot of women in your daily wanderings who are dating and especially attracted to the most violent criminals?
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Not grumpy. Just tired of fucking cowards like you pretending you’re so smart and knowledgeable when you’re dumb as fuck. You don’t want to get into this with me because I promise that my engineering degree trumps your “read about it on the internet once” expertise.
Also, just to clarify why I think you’re a coward…
If you truly believed that your government murdered three thousand of your fellow citizens so that halliburton could make a profit, then why haven’t you done anything about it? You get up and go to work every day in a country run by murderers and all you can muster is a comment on a blog full of raised eyebrows and innuendo more tailored to show everyone how smart you are than to actually drum up outrage. This isn’t a game. People died. If you think that you know who did it then grow a set and do something about it, pussy.
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And I submit that if enough females thought terrorists intriguing they wouldn’t be so focused on those 70 virgins they think they’ll meet in the afterlife.
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An evening with Lifetime or one of the other “women’s channels” will contain more rape scenes than a session at kink.com. I think the estimate of 40% is way low.
I remember when I was reading feminist fiction that the rape scenes were particularly and unexpectedly graphic.
That in no way means women want to be raped, but rather their sexual landscape is a bit more complex than feminists, or anyone else for that matter, would like to believe.
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Liz,
That’s like asking if I come across any gay people. To be honest, I have come across only one single gay person IRL who I knew was gay. It’s hard to tell who is gay and who’s not, if they don’t volunteer that information. I just know there is a lot of gays, as well as groupies for killers. It’s something cops know and admit, for example.
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I was speaking of the real world, not the internet one. I certainly know many many homosexuals in real life but I don’t know a single woman who either dates a very violent criminal or would want to in particular.
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It’s not the internet world anymore than reading the news online is fake, because you found it on the internet. That violent criminals are sent love letters/visits is painfully obvious if you check. Justifications are always the same, which speaks of something.
And even if we are speaking purely of internet confessions (rather than actions, like visits and letters), I wouldn’t dismiss it so easily. On the internet, anyone can be honest about their true desires without revealing themselves. It is meaningful. Also, In real life, I doubt a woman will openly admit to dating a violent criminal, as it’s not acceptable (nor should it be).
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What gets my panties in a bunch about this is that inside the fan-fiction communities, writing love poems about murderers isn’t treated nearly so lightly. Sure, there’s the overarching “Don’t like it? Don’t read it!” attitude, but these women (although lets be honest, the ones writing this shit are merely girls) are not considered normal. Or sane. The most common descriptor, in my experience, is “fucked in the head.”
It’s just, if they’re going to delve into the whole world of us people who write this shit, why can’t they take our opinions on it seriously too?
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I think calling those girls crazy, insane or in any form abnormal is a cop-out.
Serial killers get lover letters, the men of the dark triad do have more sex than the average man, women buy “50 shades of Grey” en masse and romance novels are full of scenes that can only be described as rape.
Not to mention that women observably dig run of the mill assholes and badboys too and the single most prevalent female fantasies are rape fantasies containing varying degrees of violence.
I am afraid that female sexual urges after having shook off the shackles of religion and tradition is not always sunshine and lollipops.
http://www.thumotic.com/2013/05/03/evil-men-get-laid-more/
And dont get me started on the fact that if I start an obnoxious profile on OkCupid where I basically only declare my love for gin and getting laid and having perfected the art of misogyny, I need not put up a picture, I need not be charming and I will have return rates of 80% or so and an 18 year old diddling herself according to my instructions in less than half an hour after putting it up.
I know that, because I did that.
I simply wanted to know.
I was pretty proud of myself too, until I found a post at CH, where someone,. just by being a complete douchebag got their $%§&!!!! phone numbers in 3-4 short lines or so.
Sorry, thats just normal and I think we are getting an idea now why female sexuality was reigned in by every functioning civilization and we are not halfway down the rabbithole yet.,
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I have one reply to “Irin”: Samantha Lewthwaite.
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