“All at once we were madly, clumsily, shamelessly, agonizingly in love with each other; hopelessly, I should add, because that frenzy of mutual possession might have been assuaged only by our actually imbibing and assimilating every particle of each other’s soul and flesh; but there we were, unable even to mate as slum children would have so easily found an opportunity to do so.”
Vladimir Nabokov
Lolita
Now don’t get pedantic. I know it’s Humbert describing his love for Annabel, not Lolita, but Annabel was Humbert’s first “nymphet” and she has inspired his feelings for Lolita.
Was Nabakov’s Lolita a sexually precocious child aware of her appeal to Humbert? Standard undergraduate English essay question, and I won’t get into it here, but I will point out that regardless of how you feel about the book, the word Lolita has come to mean just that: sexually precocious.
Here is Elle fanning as “Lolita” posing for Lolita Lempicka, the French fashion designer and perfume creator.
Here is Dominque Swain in a movie adaptation of Lolita.
Pretty hard to question the fact that these young women are being presented as overtly sexual.
Those are both pretty tame compared to the images you will find in safe mode on Google when you search for “Jailbait”.
In these images, and hundreds more like them, very young women pose in sexually explicit and provocative ways and the term “jailbait” is a taunt. It is an unambiguous declaration of a young woman’s power over older men. She knows her allure. And she knows she wields the power to destroy any who would take her up on her offer.
Whether or not the girls themselves captioned the pictures is not the point. They posed for them.
And let’s not pretend women don’t lust after young, underage men, either. Daniel Radcliffe? Justin Bieber? Taylor Lautner?
And now there is a new term on the block to describe not just sexually provocative, but outright aggressive young women who pursue men for sex: hyena.
In her book, Laid or Loved?: The Secrets Guys Wish You Knew About Being a Dream Girl Instead of a Just-In-His-Jeans Girl, psychologist Dr. Jennifer Austin Leigh tries to “help teenage girls and their mothers thrive through the turbulent teen years, and help girls mature into confident, self-respecting, loving women.”
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/guide-teen-girls
It’s interesting that both The Frisky and Salon, when confronted with an example of a young woman publicly raping and filming a young man, both attempt to backpedal like crazy. Deny, deny, deny. This doesn’t happen. La la la I can’t hear you….
Here is Steve’s story, as recounted in Leigh’s book:
“I was at a party and had too much to drink. One of the girls decided she wanted a thrill and pulled off my pants and made me get a hard-on and had sex with me … Everyone watched. Some friends even took pictures of us on their cell phones. I don’t remember a lot of it. But I regret that I lost my virginity like that.”
Gosh, Steve, it’s a damn shame you didn’t live in Steubenville.
Amelia McDonell-Parry’s response to Steve’s story?
Wow. Crazy.
Yep. That’s it. Two words. Then she goes on to talk about how high school girls having gang-bangs for fun is probably a positive trend, and all teenagers really need is more sex education.
http://www.thefrisky.com/2009-04-17/hyenas-sexual-teen-girls/
Tracy Clark-Flory at Salon doesn’t do much better:
There is no doubt that boys are sexually victimized. But a single example of a girl taking advantage of a boy does not equal a widespread trend worthy of its own buzzword. Similarly, she says that 30 percent of the teen dudes she interviewed “were depressed, anxious and some even reported self-mutilating after giving up their virginity to a girl who didn’t value it.” I believe that. So, too, it might be for girls. That doesn’t mean that either side is necessarily being victimized, but rather that some kids have sex with the wrong people and long before they should.
http://www.salon.com/2009/04/17/teenage_hyenas/
Some kids have sex with the wrong people and long before they should. Hmm. I wonder if that includes 15 year olds groupies?
Nah.
Probably not.
When it’s boys being raped or treated callously, they’re just having bad sex with the wrong people. When it’s girls sulking about trading favors for fags forty years ago, why, lock those bastard rapists up!
3 out of 10 boys interviewed are depressed and anxious and engaging self-harm, but move along folks. Nothing to see here.
The caricature of men as rutting animals who will fuck anything that moves is a caricature, created by popular culture, and feminist culture in particular, to depict men and boys in the worst possible light and to fuel women’s fear of them. Schrodinger Rapist! He’s everywhere!
Just how far off the mark is that stereotype? In a new poll by teen expert Jennifer “Dr. Jenn” Austin Leigh, PsyD., 98% of teen boys said they’d rather be in a relationship with “a girl who is a great listener than [with] a ‘hottie’.”
http://www.breakupgirl.net/?p=1237
98% would rather have someone listen to them. I’ve posted this before, but I just love it so much, I’ll post it again.
Doesn’t jive with how we think about boys and men, does it?
And feminists are just as wrong about girls. Just as there ARE callous, cold-hearted, ruthless men who will use and discard women as mere tools for their own gratification, so too there are callous, cold-hearted, ruthless women who will use and discard men without a moment’s remorse or hesitation.
And guess what? Some of those women come in pretty young packaging.
Yeah, that’s Priscilla Presley. She was 14 when she met Elvis.
Here is Nikki McWatters, writing about predatory teenage girls and the whole BBC sex abuse scandal at HuffingtonPost:
We used to drive without seatbelts! It was dangerous. But armed with that knowledge now, should we hunt down every bare-back driver from three decades ago, lock them up and throw away the key? These men may have done wrong, but I want to be one of the girls who stands up and says – quite unashamedly – that I accept responsibility for my own part in that behaviour.
Thank you, Nikki.
Let’s create a culture where a woman accepting responsibility for her behavior doesn’t come as a total shock. You know, a culture where women are… grown-ups?
Now that’s a radical notion indeed.
Lots of love,
JB
judgybitch 
Well, there’s a reason they call it jailbait.
And in the latest round of the manosphere spontaneously settling around a theme, Chateau Heartiste covered something related: it’s likely a hardwired preference. That’s not to say that human beings shouldn’t exercise self control, but it’s also incorrect to assert that a man’s attraction to a post-pubescent woman is somehow “sick” or a further misuse of the term “pedophile.”
Or maybe I’m just rationalizing because the alternative—that everything I thought I understood about her and how she felt about me was a lie—is just too painful to consider.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/scientific-evidence-that-men-dig-barely-legal-chicks/
Or the book he references.
As for the lip service feminists give to male rape, would you expect anything different (like logical consistency)? It’s the same vein that the Angry Redhead Toronto Feminist of a few weeks back spouted the ultimate bullshit: Men should support and work with (read “for”) feminists and feminism because Patriarch hurts men too (!!) and all men’s problems will be solved when feminism (oh, and you guys, too, honest) destroys it.
That’s like the SS saying to the German Jewish community, Judaism hurts Jews, too, you know, so just board this box car and and all your problems will be solved when we tear down Judaism. Of the fox saying to the chickens, hey, the chicken coop hurts hens, too, you know, so just c’mon out and join us and all your problems will be solved when we destroy the evil hen-house!
I like the Hyena meme, but the feminists absolutely can’t let that narrative take hold, because it would turn a spotlight on the fact that “empowering” teenage girls sexuality can hurt boys, and they don’t want you thinking about boys or men as anything other than rapists (Rape Culture!). If the focus were to ever, even briefly, turn to the damage to boys, the lie gets exposed and people may start to wonder how feminism hurts boys and men in other ways.
Fortunately, I think that spotlight is turning its focus. Hopefully not too late…
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While I’m sure Heartiste’s observational bromides regarding evolutionary hardwired preferences for girls “less than maximumly fertile” are essentially accurate (I’m equally sure there’s a reason my husband always comments he’s glad we don’t have any daughters routinely after seeing a young teen female when we’re walking through the neighborhood), in this day and age men aren’t limited to only ten or so non-pox-marred females between one of two or three neighboring villages.
Jerry Lee Lewis’ popularity took a huge hit after he married his 13 year old cousin. Elvis kept Patricia under wraps until he married her when she was of legal age. I was never interested enough to read her biography but I’m sure there’s a story there, and as far as their daughter is concerned she didn’t exactly turn out well.
I do agree that supporting the new feminist imperative is similar to Jews supporting the SS, though. I think it should be against the law for any woman above 17 to wear a ‘Team Taylor’ (for Twilight) tee shirt. When I see that, I want to choke them, or beat them senseless with their own stillettos (shouldn’t the fighting words doctrine protections extend to mothers of teenaged boys? I think so).
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My friend, who later became my stepsister, was sexually aggressive and I almost followed her into it because I always thought she was so cool. We were between the ages of 12-14. I remember sneaking out one night to go see her boyfriend, who was in her upper teens. She had claimed he had made her pregnant, but a few months later “miscarried.” (She was probably 13 at this point?) Later, we moved to rural Nevada, and she did the same exact thing to some poor boy who was our age, around 14. I have never seen a person sink into themselves so fast, she really was a witch. (I told anyone who would listen that she was full of shit, but I wasn’t as “cool” as her, so no one listened. Ha, kids are dumb.)
I looked up to her so much, that I tried to be like her. One night she had invited a bunch of the boys from the neighborhood to sleep in our garage, and I let one of them grope me when the lights were out, and I groped him back. I ended up getting up to use the restroom, and I remember looking at myself in the mirror and saying to myself “I don’t want this. I’m not ready for this.” I went back to the garage, but I stayed on the other side of the room from the boy. I was never close with her after that.
I ended up meeting my husband about 2 years later, and with him it was right. I’m really glad I listened to my ow gut instead of peer pressure from my obviously deranged stepsister.
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LostSailorMay 13, 2013 at 17:39
“As for the lip service feminists give to male rape, would you expect anything different (like logical consistency)? It’s the same vein that the Angry Redhead Toronto Feminist of a few weeks back spouted the ultimate bullshit: Men should support and work with (read “for”) feminists and feminism because Patriarch hurts men too (!!) and all men’s problems will be solved when feminism (oh, and you guys, too, honest) destroys it.
That’s like the SS saying to the German Jewish community, Judaism hurts Jews, too, you know, so just board this box car and and all your problems will be solved when we tear down Judaism. Of the fox saying to the chickens, hey, the chicken coop hurts hens, too, you know, so just c’mon out and join us and all your problems will be solved when we destroy the evil hen-house!”
Well done, LostSailor. This eloquent exposition of yours reminds me more than a little of what the REAL definition of “diversity” means, when used by a liberal. That is, the reduction of values associated with, power exerted by, and presence of (ideally and eventually to zero) for those with more than a few of these attributes:
White, male, conservative/constitutionalist, productive, honest (nonstealing/nonsocialiist), heterosexual, nonfeminist, firearm-nonphobic, Christian, antiMuslim, logical/rational, high-IQ, inclined against bastardy, and those who hold earned justice above unearned mercy.
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That was my point about exercising self-control. Just because you are wired to find it attractive doesn’t mean that you have to act on that attraction. But it’s still largely a social stigma.
One of the points is that I also think that nowadays girls that that age are more widely aware of the power of their sexuality and are more willing to act on it. I’m not necessarily saying it’s a good thing.
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Well, Luke, I’m actually still pretty liberal, but I’m not stupid, and I’ve never been a feminist (used to get in trouble even way back in college for vocalizing my opinion that feminism seemed less about “equal rights” and more about revenge; subsequent events have proved me wise beyond my years).
The thing is, feminism is not and has never been about diversity. Since feminism has always been at its heart a Marxist philosophy, it’s been about conformity. (And before we get sidetracked, Marxist, is not a catch-all phrase to describe all things liberal; people who blithely and indiscriminately around only reveal they know nothing about Marx, Communism, or socialism and how they differ from American liberalism: a topic for another day.)
The whole point of the ARTF’s rant was that she was trying to convince MRAs that they should be in league with Feminism to achieve their goals. Which, of course is nonsense. And patently transparent bullshit as well. No, that wasn’t about the “reduction of values, power, or presence” of anybody. Actually that rant and the whole demonstration around it was a naked attempt to quash a nascent counter-feminist movement. Because they know that they can’t allow it to gain traction. I don’t think most feminists are aware of the Red Pill/manosphere, but they are vaguely aware of the ideals behind it and are deathly afraid of those ideas getting out into the wild. Because they know they won’t be able to stop them.
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When you realize that feminism is a supremacist ideology, it makes perfect sense why they 1. Excuse female child sex predators. 2. Vilify all men as wannabe paedophiles 3. Are in total denial how the culture they promote makes women and girls hypersexualize themselves.
And it’s obvious that the majority of women approve of this.
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I read through the comments on the Salon article and it never ceases to amaze me the length feminists will go to down play or ignore any harm coming to a boy or man. They hypocrisy is at absurd levels.
One of the comments:
“Cougars, female teacher sex predator, male victims of female sex predator
SHE MADE ME GET A HARD ON.
a myth for sure. A good story for having lack of responsibility. No one makes a male get a hard on unless he wants to have one. Similarly, no male is really raped by a older female teacher. But people love to believe stories like that.”
Obviously posted by someone who is not in possession of a working penis. Especially a teen-age male penis where erections can occur at the most inopportune moments for no reason at all.
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I’m sure what to say here, except… I’m stunned… and not in a good way. I’m not sure what you are saying here, beyond slut-shaming prepubescent girls. And I know you blog under a pseudonym, but that is your face on YouTube, I assume? You are ruining any chances of a serious academic career and jeopardizing your own family’s reputation with this narcissistic display. You need help. Maybe meds. Stop drinking if that’s what’s fueling this acting out.
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Hahahahahahaha!
You’re funny.
Yeah, I’m seriously jeopardizing my academic career. Because venture capitalists give a fuck about your feminist horseshit?
Yeah, no. If I can help them value pre-IPO biotech companies outside major clusters, they could give a flying fuck what I blog about.
And yes, that’s my face on YouTube, but Janet is a pseudonym.
My family’s reputation? Reputation as what?
A glass of wine with dinner is good for you! But Chardonnay? Seriously?
WTF?!?!?!
Not when there’s Malbec to be had, baby.
By the way, nice blog post about me.
http://rooshnme.blogspot.ca/2013/05/women-who-hate-women.html
Isn’t it interesting how you try to absolve even women you DON’T LIKE of responsibility. Gosh, she must be an alcoholic to write the stuff she does.
These are my words. I wrote them. I own them. I stand by them.
Don’t worry. I won’t boo hoo later that the Shiraz made me do it.
Know why?
Because it didn’t.
Now kindly fuck-off. This is my house, and you are not welcome.
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This has to be one of the most amusing comments I’ve ever read on your site, JB. It’s a real classic. Completely mistaking the argument, the veiled threats, the suggestion that you need drugs or are drunk or mentally ill, and the complete dismissal of your opinion as “acting out.” It’s a feminist Superfecta of non-answer!
Since you never “slut-shamed” prepubescent girls, the comment fails right there.
But if barely pubescent girls are acting like slut, then shaming is probably in order.
It’s one thing for fully adult women (i.e., over the age of majority) to take control of their sexuality, as long as they take control of the consequences (something I suspect La Strega would not approve of), it’s quite another for just-pubescent girls (or boys) to become aggressively sexual.
Your house and all, but La Strega seems to be an opportunity for creative mockery. But I suppose that’s not what you’re going for.
Oh, and JB? You had me at Malbec…
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It is evident just how sick and perverted Feminism has become when saying 13 year olds are sexualized = “Slut Shaming.” They’re little kids you degenerate. No wonder Feminism defends Islam. That whole child bride thing must be the dream of Feminist men.
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Wow. You come off as really ignorant and desperate to push an agenda that has no relevancy anymore. Oh– and character assassination is an old, old tactic. Time to think of a new strategy. This one is tired.
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Feminism defends islam? How is feminists vs Sharia law working out?
Hey JB, your gonna have Manboobz undies in a bunch again! And of course as we know women can’t be the perps of sex crimes nor should they ever be responible for their own actions. That is just not per feminazi bullshit err I mean doctrine!
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“I don’t understand what you’re saying, but I disagree with this misrepresentation of what you said,…so YOU need help.” Righto. Makes perfect sense. That comment is sooooo insightful.
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Sounds like my mother.
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LostSailor, I agree with you.
But I do believe there is something to asserting that a man’s attraction to a minor female is sick or makes him a pedophile. I believe that stigma is important because it acts as a deterrent. And if it were not for that stigma, we would have a DRASTIC increase in men not controlling themselves and acting upon that attraction. Why? Because it would be considered okay by the majority of the population.
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I like how millions of moms can swoon over Edward from twilight and say how much they want him (age range: teenager) but if there were a group of guys lusting over a teenage girl?
National outrage.
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Oh JB the girlie men bitches from freefromthought blogs have got you in their sights….why they will come and argue with you…..ooohhh terrifying!
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Quaking in my boots dude.
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Lol! I got one of those…
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Um, did you smoke crack this morning? RP is 27 YEARS OLD! If you’re referring to him ACTING as a teenager, that still doesnt prove your point. There are millions of actress who play high school girls that the male population currently jacks to.
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Emma, the reference is probably to Taylor Lautner who is definitely underage.
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Lol…where was your argument there?
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Yeah better to just shame men for how they were born, and lump an 18 year old high school student having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend in with convicted baby rapists.
I’m sure diluting the meaning of the word “pedophile”, who it applies to, and wasting resources on societal witch hunts over victimless crimes will keep kinder-gardeners safe from molesters.
It’s sure as hell a lot easier then actually expecting parents to be… you know actual parents. And teaching their children to make good decisions by instilling their morals and values into their offspring. No better to use someone else’s money to pay government enforcers to punish anyone who takes your daughter up on her whorish offers. Well at least until she turns 18.
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Emma, Jon is quite correct that terming attraction to adolescent women under the age of majority (18) as pedophilia is a dilution of the term. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder where people have a sexual attraction for prepubescent children. Extending it to loosely apply to any attraction or sexual activity with any minor female actually dispenses with the age of consent, which is 16 in most US jurisdictions.
And it can ruin people’s lives and get them killed. Such as the case where a man, 18, was convicted of rape for having sex with his girlfriend who was 2 weeks shy of her 16th birthday. After serving his time, he had to register for the sex offenders list. Of course, people see a name on that list and don’t care what the specifics are, they just see someone who was probably diddling 7-year-olds. This particular man was shot and killed by neighborhood vigilantes.
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LostSailor, I’m not talking about the men (or women) who are 18 having sex with a 16 year old. I’m referring to people who are significantly older going after 14, 15, 16 simply because “it is in their nature” to do so. We’re human beings, not animals and possess the capability to control our desires. We hurt others when we do not.
You should know this after linking that blog. Those men who supported the AoC to be reduced were not 18, 19, 20 year old men. And honestly it was one of the MOST DISTURBING and DISGUSTING comments section I have ever read. Why? Because they were in an environment where it was okay to fuck a 14yr old.
No it is not okay for an 18/19 year old to be sentenced for having sex with a 14,15,16 year old. But I am happy to be living in a society (America) where a 32 banging a 15 year old is a total, fucking creep.
Ephebophilia I believe is the term, but I’m not sure I’ll have to look into it.
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Hmmm. My argument is that Edward (RP) is 27? And so what if adult women lust over him? Its okay, he’s not a minor. And that men also lust after grown women who portray teenage girls. There is no “national outrage” if they are all adults.
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Unfortunately, Emma, the law doesn’t make the same distinctions as you. Teenagers, mostly men, are convicted of statutory rape all the time.
I probably should have put a warning on the link; Chateau Heartiste comment threads are definitely not for the faint of heart or thin-skinned. Though those commenters have been there for years, most of them, and a lot of the comments are tongue in cheek. I stopped reading his comments over a year ago because of that. But he often links to good journal articles, which was the main point.
And the point of that article was the finding that men found certain characteristics usually exhibited by women in their mid- to late-teens and early 20s to be inherently attractive and that these characteristics diminished over time. It’s hardly a surprising finding–men find younger women more attractive–but the linked book studies just why that is.
That’s a far cry from older men stampeding to screw 15 and 16 year olds. In the cases JB originally blogged about, many of these young groupies knew exactly what they were doing and the issue there is whether these young women should be held at all accountable or should the full weight of the laws fall on the men without mitigation.
And there lies the danger in casually using terms like pedophilia incorrectly to label such actions. Pedophiles are (usually) men who have a primary sexual preference for prepubescent girls. Period. Which is what most people think of when they think of the term. Yet you think that it’s fine to apply that indiscriminately to any man who has sex with or is just attracted to a minor (i.e., under 18 in the US) because you think the “stigma is useful” and otherwise men would lose all control and there would be pedophilic chaos in the streets. I maintain it’s a dangerous practice, not matter how disgusting or creepy you find it.
What you’re referring to is actually hebephilia or ephebophilia. The former being a condition where the primary sexual preference is pubescent children (11-14) and the latter is where the primary sexual preference is post-pubescent adolescents . And with ephebophilia it is very important to note that the key is “primary sexual preference” not just what most men might find attractive.
If you don’t believe me, listen to the experts: http://web.archive.org/web/20110623130406/http://www.usccb.org/comm/kit6.shtml
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Very interesting article you linked.
I understand where you’re coming from LostSailor, but to me the topic is comparable to slut shaming. No, I’m not the person to be screaming “slut” after a woman gets wasted and someone decides to take advantage of her. But I do understand that “slut culture” encourages this behavior and a lot of women suffer negative consequences because of it.
In the same sense, I don’t dispute the fact that men are attracted to underage teenagers (13-17). And everyone is entitled to their own preference, but I believe if we encourage this behavior or attraction, it will lead to negative consequences. And maybe, as you explained, we shouldn’t be using the term “pedophile” but I will never sympathize with a man who is 6-10+years older than a 15 year old, being called one. Even, if it is inaccurate. And I’m not sure about “pedophilic chaos” but we all know if something is encouraged or thought of as “okay” more people would act on those urges.
And again, I don’t think an 18year old in a relationship with a 16 y/o should be penalized.
Also in regard to the original blog article, I don’t think the girls should be held legally responsible. As stated in a previous comment, just because minors are capable of discerning between right and wrong, it does not mean they fully comprehend the consequences of their actions. Hence the difference between juvenile detention and a real prison for non extreme cases. And not to mention the talent in question (celebrities? never heard of them) were not 18,19 year old men.
You make some good points LostSailor. I know you have a blog but maybe you should start doing some entries of your own. I stalk judgybitch’s too many times a day.
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What’s wrong with slut shaming? It worked for centuries to keep the hypergamous sexual nature of women in check. If dirty-old-man shaming is fine there shouldn’t be anything wrong with slut shaming.
And no one said anything about encouraging the behavior of older men having sex with teenage girls. The attraction is already there, it doesn’t need to be encouraged. But nevertheless, even if the age of consent were lowered (which I don’t advocate) the vast majority of men aren’t going to be having sex with 15 year olds. I’d never heard of these celebrities, either, but then, I’m not British.
I don’t have a blog. Too much work. I’m much more suited to being a Johnny Appleseed of manosphere comment threads, seeding my pearls of wisdom via drive-by…
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Hell Yeh! I’m all pro dirty-old-man shaming! Way to coin a phrase.
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But not slut shaming? Sauce for the goose, you know…
(Dirty old men are pretty hard to shame, though.)
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This has drifted a bit but just a note about some physiological aspects of human sexual response that seem to rarely be connected to the discussion of rape. Going to dodge the constructed age issue while including another age issue. There are two main neural pathways that can result in an engorged/erect penis. Anyone familiar with the variety of “How to make Love with a Man over 50” genre will be familiar: The so called psychogenic pathway is the one that gets young men/teens into sometimes embarrassing situations – visual stimulation or even mere fantasy/visualization is often all that is necessary for an erection to appear. As humans age, this psychogenic pathway is less and less effective. Perhaps someday someone will be able to design an ethical experiment to tease out the different age/monotony aspects of this, but that is matter for another day. The other pathway to sexual response is the reflexogenic – involving direct physical stimulation. This can be helpful for older partners, but has potential for abuse. So yes, while someone’s head or heart may prefer otherwise, the body will often respond nonetheless. As I understand it there are similar reflexogenic aspects in both genders, which can cause confusion for anyone as the body responds to something that was originally unwanted. Always good to see your content here Mrs. JB, even if your tone often seems to pander to lower order tribal/us vs. them aspects of humanity.
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Do you have anything other than ad hominem to add?
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People are free to feel, and to think, whatever they feel or think. Policing thought is, in addition to being impossible, one of the cravings of the Police State crowd, and LesboFemiNazis.
We have laws, and some of us have morals. Staying in the confines of all of the above leads to a trouble-free life, regardless of where your feelings may wander, or stampede.
But, trying to address every photo of every girl under 18.00000000 years old who isn’t dressed in a Burqua or Hijab as pohnographah?
Usually what people condemn the loudest in others is what they practice the most themselves.
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In ancient times. I read that girls often lost their virginity after menarche.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age
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Men desire teenage girls. That’s the truth.
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No matter what, the onus is on the adult to exercise self control, ethics and here’s a foreign concept – compassion.
I posted this on the thread regarding Jimmy Savile;
“They wanted all the benefits of hanging out with a big star and they understood it came with a price and they paid it, perhaps reluctantly, but with full knowledge that the trips to London and the fags and the sweet weren’t free.”
Savile was doing all that in the name of “charity”. He was the stereotypical “nice guy” trademarked. Putting on a facade of generosity, charity, concern for “at risk” youth in “care homes” – all to gain access.
Adults here seem to be forgetting how awkward and confusing puberty and adolescence can be. Add to that a “father or uncle figure” who is trusted by the government/care givers in the “care home”, it is only natural that young girls would put their trust in him and think “he gives charity to our “care home” and is giving us free stuff because he cares about kids without families”.
I mean why on earth would a young orphaned girl assume sex in exchange for charity from someone who is celebrated as a great philanthropist in her country?
I know I certainly wouldn’t.
Its because of cunning, manipulative predators like him that all parents and caregivers now must be on hyper-sensitive red alert with ALL adults that show any sort of humanity to kids today.
Its a shame its come to this but you can blame pedophiles for it, not the overly protective “fanatic” parents or care givers.
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PS: its quite odd that one of the commenters posted to a pro-Savile defense site which qouted Savile as saying he didn’t even “like” kids and that he didn’t respect them but expected them to “earn” his respect.
The site’s web master took that as some sort of “evidence” that “see, here’s someone who what to speak of being sexually interested in kids, doesn’t even like or respect them, so how could he be a pedophile”?
While I interpreted it as “Of course he didn’t like or respect them. If he did he would not have abused them.”
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Lautner is a 21 year old adult.
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He’s 21 now
He was 17 when the first Twilight came out
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As far as the “females hit their wall at 17” and “age of consent should be lowered to 14” or even menarche (!!!) war cries from the Roissy-sphere, these are men who can’t even get legal 17, 18 or 19 year olds to date them, what to speak of 14 year olds.
So why are they so obsessed with lowering the age of consent?
18 is plenty young enough. And they can’t even manage that.
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Yeah but 17 is the age of consent in most of the US, right? So even then he wasn’t technically under aged.
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It ranges, sometimes with an age gap condition.
Would it be acceptable for 40 year old men to openly lust after a 17 year old girl?
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They do. Its legal. The entire US media is built on that concept. Its very mainstream and blue pill.
Plus, saying “Lautner is cute” is not exactly “openly lusting”.
Just now I’m googling and looking at his photos from when he is younger and yeah, he’s cute.
I’m not going to go to my roof and scream, “oh my god that actor was totally hot when he was 17 and I would have loved to bang him right at that age!!!!”
So I don’t know what you mean by “openly lusting”.
Considering a 17 year old attractive is not a crime. Nor is it necessarily “lust”.
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Plus a box office hit “American Beauty” was all about a 40+ year old man lusting after a high school gal and American audiences ate that film up like it was a Baskin Robbins flavor going off the market tomorrow morning and tonight would be their last chance to eat it.
Like I said, very mainstream. Very blue pill. Very acceptable. For American culture anyway.
I mean, this is a country that has old people (single grandparents, of course) taking Viagra so they can have sex rather than take on the role of respectable elder and spend time with their grand kids.
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I know quite a bit about this topic. I live in Mexico. This big concern about statutory and age of consent and difference in age has strong cultural elements. Part of the extreme nationalism in the Anglosphere (nations where they speak English and have a legal system based in most cases on old English law) is the belief that all intelligent and moral people share the cultural beliefs we were raised in. If they don’t, “Send in the Marines!”
Last year, a dimwit NYT reporter claimed in Mexico the age of consent is 12. Hogwash. It is actually 18, higher than in the US. The difference is, who is in charge if there is a violation. In the US, sex with jail bait is strictly a police matter, and there are no extenuating circumstances.
In Mexico, after age 12 (menarche in a very few states) only the parents or guardians or the girl herself can bring charges of statutory. This is based on the belief that only the family can know what is needed in any given case. From 12 to 14, estupro (dirty tricks) is presumed, and need not be proven. If charges are filed, the only question is, did he have sex with her, period. After age 14, until 18, if the man can prove it was consensual, and she knew what she was doing, he walks, period. (Unless the parents bribe the judge…)
Why the difference? Because in Mexico, people are well aware that pubescent girls have libido. In the US, we pretend the morally superior sex is incapable of licentious thoughts. Man fault!!!
Let me not forget that estupro after age 12 may be a minimum of 5 years in prison and go up from that. Before age 12, it can be up to 40 years, more than for murder. I assume that would be baby raping, not for a pubescent 11 year old, which would probably be at the low end.
Let me give a real life example. A cousin told me 35 years ago, in my neighborhood a 12 year old girl got pregnant by a 25 year old man. Both sets of parents got together, and investigated. The girl agreed she wanted to be his woman (term used in Mexico interchangeably with wife.) And, he agreed to support her and the children and treat her well. No abortion. No prison. In fact, it was illegal for the cops to interfere with the parents decision. No sleeping under a bridge as a registered sex offender. And, no welfare payments by the government. No 12 kids by 35 men. No living in a dangerous ghetto. He went to work every day and she learned how to do the wife things. They raised 3 children to be responsible citizens. Yet, in the US, most people think our way is the only way, even as our cities turn into jungles, and our government goes broke taking care of unwed mothers and their offspring.
Now, the issue of different age.
In my village, the 78 year old man I call the Rich Old Bastard had a baby last year with his 20 year old second wife, after his first wife died. No screams of rage by the women in the community. No insults; no nasty jokes. I asked kinfolk about it, and they said it is no one’s business. They both are getting out of the marriage what they want.
Let me say again, they think it is no one’s business.
I have been told by my wife’s family that if I outlive her, I can have babies in my house again, if I stay in good health. Not mine, but a young widow with children, or a young (attractive) unwed mother with one child. And, even the women would be glad for her to have a better life, instead of screaming insults at me.
Well, actually, they said I could have a mistress like that, now. But, I have been faithful for 38 years and am not going to stop now.
But, let me jump ahead. It took me all thirty years I have been visiting or living here to understand why in the US people are so hostile to an older man with a younger woman.
IN THE US, THEY HATE MEN, BUT ESPECIALLY OLD MEN. EVEN OLD MEN IN THE US HATE OLD MEN. Those of you who have never lived in a culture which respects old men have no idea what I am talking about.
I recently told a mature woman that in the US they call old men, old farts. That would not happen here. She looked even more offended than when I told her the average first-time bride in the US has already had 11 lovers.
So, of course, if you hate old men you are going to be angry when an old man looks at a prime young chick.
Let me give an example. Last year, on a MRA board, there was a discussion about the age when women are the most attractive. I said that women are their most attractive, sweetest personality; sexiest at age 15, then it is all downhill from there. A man, a young man, not a woman, cussed me out good. Calling me a pedophile (dumb-a**) and a pervert. It apparently never occurred to him that I noticed this back in 1957 when I was 15 myself. Not that it mattered. Even if I did notice it then, I am just naturally supposed to forget it when I get old.
I was reminded of DANDELION WINE by Ray Bradbury. An old woman makes friends with the kids. One day she shows them a picture of her taken when she was a little girl. They asked who the picture was. She told them it was her as a little girl. They threw such a tantrum that she finally admitted she had lied, that she had never been a little girl. She had always been an old hag.
(Note the ‘all downhill from there’ is the real reason you stay away from 15 year olds, even more important than the legal penalties. Nothing good in your life can come from hanging out with a 15 year old girl, no matter how sweet she is at that age.)
I realize some of you don’t believe what I am writing. Let me quote JB. “I don’t give a fuck what you think” about what I have written. It is the truth.
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Previous was by Anonymous age 71, accidentally sent while typing name. Sorry.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/07/misogyny-society-abused-children-predatory?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
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I am totally into small and cute women. The positive thing: In many countries are plenty of attractive cute girls that I can approach and have sex with. The downside: because I am into women that are small and cute, I am consequently into women who are more often than not very young. I am only in my early twenties,so in my eyes it is not “wrong” to have sex with a 17 year old. And in my home country Germany that’s absolutely no problem.
Gosh, in Germany every idiot can bang a 14 year old girl without any consequences, even if I set myself the magical limit of 16.
because I travel a lot and I love to meet and to have sexual experiences with women from different countries and continents. During my travels I have to be fucking careful to not have sex with a girl who is under 18 in some countries.
And like you said, women are not innocent in the “jailbait case”. I also wrote on my website about my experience where I had sex with a woman who was more than 10 years older than me in Bangkok. Some ladies are also into young flesh…
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