Way to miss the fucking point, idiot! Manboobz fails kindergarten math. Big surprise there.

13 May

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The goal of kindergarten math curriculum is to prepare children for first grade math. Some key skills include:

To count by rote at least to 20, but preferably a little beyond.

The concepts of equality, more, and less

To count backwards from 10 to 0.

To recognize numbers

To be able to write numbers

To recognize basic shapes

to understand up, down, under, near, on the side, etc. (basic directions)

To have a very basic idea of addition and subtraction

It also helps to expose the student to two-digit numbers.

So Manboobz has posted a spectacular retarded take-down of my post on the age of consent.  In his first sentence, Futrelle writes

http://manboobz.com/2013/05/12/female-mra-argues-that-the-real-abusers-in-the-bbc-pedo-scandals-were-the-underage-girls/

British barrister Barbara Hewson caused a bit of a stir last week when she called for the age of consent in Britain to be lowered to 13 so as to end the alleged “persecution of old men” like those arrested in the wake of the recent Jimmy Savile scandal, which revealed a widespread culture of sexual exploitation of underage girls (and some boys) at the BBC in the 1970s.

And then two paragraphs later, writes

Uh, Judgy, in case you missed the point of the whole debate here, we’re not talking about women. We’re talking about girls. In the case of  BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall, one of the victims that he has admitted to assaulting was nine years old at the time. Nine. Savile’s youngest alleged victim was an eight-year-old boy, and dozens of his alleged assaults were upon children in hospitals.

Now class, today we are going to talk about the concept of greater than and less than.  We’re going to use Alfred the Alligator to help us understand.  Alfred will always eat the number that is the biggest, so we turn his mouth towards the bigger number.  Okay?

alligator

Which number is bigger?

nine

Or

13

Did you pick 13?  Yay!

star

Lowering the age of consent to 13 would still make any sexual activity with a 9 year old completely illegal! 

David’s commenters have quickly concocted a narrative about how the suggestion that the age of consent be lowered to 13 allows pedophiles to abuse children of any age, and furthermore, that in claiming 15 year old girls might have had some knowledge of what they were doing, I am explicitly supporting the rape of children.

Which obviously means the entire MHRM is nothing but a giant cover for child rapists.

facepalm

Futrelle then complains about my use of photos of underage girls dressed up to look much older (and not dressed by ME, I might add), naturally without any context whatsoever.  Uhm, Futrelle, the discussion was about adding age gap considerations and a mistaken age defense to existing age of consent laws, which is ALREADY IN EFFECT in many American states.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/05/09/should-13-year-olds-be-having-sex-probably-not-they-shouldnt-be-fame-whores-either/

romeo

Age gap considerations make it EASIER to prosecute pedophiles (both male and female) while avoiding Romeo and Juliet cases of two young teenagers engaging in consensual sexual activity.  If anything, my post supports fine-tuning the law to go after ONLY predatory adults.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1228366/I-abused-woman-haunts-day.html

Finding a way to deal with women who are abusing young men sexually has become a fairly pressing concern.  And again, age gap and mistaken age defences HELP with determining which relationships are likely to be predatory.  A seventeen year old girl with a fifteen year old boyfriend is different from a forty year old woman with a fifteen year old boy-toy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114592/The-ultimate-cougar-Former-police-officer-sex-teen-100-times-stalked-high-school-boys-sex.html

I find it interesting that when women parade around their much younger boy-toys, the culture is completely silent on the question of whether or not the women are abusing their power over these men.

madonna

jlo

demi

Sam Taylor Wood began screwing Aaron Johnson when she was 41 and he was just 19.  No outcry there.  Quite the opposite.  They met when Wood cast Johnson in the film Nowhere Boy, which she directed.  No power differential to exploit there, huh?

sam

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/aaron-johnson-sam-taylor-wood-married-341208

That’s just some good old fashioned cougar power.

cougar

Double standard much?

Futrelle is obviously an idiot, but there is a more important cultural conversation he is inadvertently hitting.  In attempting to link the MHRM and women who don’t like feminism all that much with pedophilia apologists, he is admitting, more or less, that he has run out of valid, rational, logical arguments against the ideas and realities we are asking him, and by extension, the whole culture, to confront.

No one in their right mind thinks anyone who takes sexual advantage of hospitalized children is anything but a predator, and yes, we want those individuals prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

But that does not automatically make every relationship between and older person and a younger person an abusive, exploitive relationship.  If we’re going to give the ladies with their trophy-boys a pass, then men should get the same pass.

29 year old Lauren Pope can bag an 18 year old boyfriend and not raise any eyebrows.

lauren

32 year old Carolyn Flack can hit the sheets with 18 year old Harry Styles, and that’s just some massive lady triumph.

carolyn

And you know what?  I agree.  Those 18 year old boys know what they are doing.  They are responsible for their own choices.  And really, it’s none of our business, right up until the moment they get dumped and then cry foul.

Bullshit.

In One Way or Another, Nikki McWatters recounts her experience as teenage groupie chasing after rock-stars.

As a young teenager, Nikki formed a group with her catholic school friends. The aim? To bed as many rock stars as they could. And so began her experience as a bed-hopping, drug-experimenting groupie at the age of just 15.

one-way-cover

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nikki-mcwatters/predatory-teenage-girls_b_2287890.html

And if Nikki were to turn around now and claim that she was abused, I would make the same call.

Bullshit.

15 years old is not a child.  Nikki knew exactly what she was doing when she went after Duran Duran.  And Karin Ward knew what she was doing when she went after Gary Glitter.

Turning these girls into “victims” is just another way of saying women are never, ever responsible for their own decisions.  We can always blame men.

Quite frankly, the game is getting tiresome.  At some point, the feminist brigade is going to have to concede that women are actually humans with agency and responsibility.  That won’t be easy, but let’s keep our faith shall we?

math is hard

One day, they will figure out that 13 really IS greater than 9.  Grade One math is gonna be a bitch.

Lots of love,

JB

28 Responses to “Way to miss the fucking point, idiot! Manboobz fails kindergarten math. Big surprise there.”

  1. Korhomme (@Korhomme) May 13, 2013 at 12:19 #

    What are your thoughts on the “age of consent” and the “age of criminal responsibility”?

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  2. Liz May 13, 2013 at 13:42 #

    I was 19 when I went on my honeymoon. I looked about 13. When my husband and I went into a negligee/erotic paraphernalia store the guy at the desk asked to see my ID. I told him, “I was just married! See my ring? I’m 19!! Hee hee.” He gave me the stoneface and said, “Let me see your ID”. So I did. Min age was 18 to get into the store.

    A man who intends to screw an underaged girl should ask for ID. 15 is far too young. He is an adult. If she gives him a fake IQ, that should be exculpatory evidence. But to not do so is irresponsible, and he’s the adult in the room trying to stick it into a warm place. He’s the one responsible.

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  3. Liz May 13, 2013 at 13:43 #

    Not IQ, make that ID. Stupid spellcheck.

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  4. Xayadvara May 13, 2013 at 14:19 #

    Come on JB,

    You shouldn’t have gone about attacking this great man. Infact his aura of brilliance is so humongous, it causes even Cyclops to go blind. And after-all, it was the “brilliance” of this aura which influenced the SPLC in the evaluation of the Manosphere.

    In the words of the veritable Scatmaster in AVfM, this man can be summarised with just this – http://i.imgur.com/JPPlI.jpg

    You really needn’t have wasted words further than that.

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  5. judgybitch May 13, 2013 at 14:20 #

    Eeeew!

    I can’t unsee that ….. *vomits*

    Gross!

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  6. princesspixiepointless May 13, 2013 at 14:43 #

    What’s SPLC?

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  7. Kurt May 13, 2013 at 14:55 #

    It’s technically the Southern Poverty Law Center, and they make their money scaring the shit out of old liberals by tarring anyone with any level of traditional values or anti government sentiment as a hate group.

    More accurately know as the Southern Preposterous Lie Center.

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  8. princesspixiepointless May 13, 2013 at 14:56 #

    Cool, thank you Kurt, fuck knows what google would have come up with.

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  9. danny May 13, 2013 at 15:09 #

    At the age of 18 I was in a relationship with a 28 year old and it got old quick. It did not take long to figure it out. She wanted a young guy to play with, to show off to her friends, and thought a young guy would be easy to control. Then she tried telling me what to eat, what to wear, what to say, and who to hang out with. Then she told me I had to quit playing guitar, “my guitar or her”. Well I still have my old Washburn and have not seen her since 1988.

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  10. Dean Esmay May 13, 2013 at 15:23 #

    Dave Futrelle is the Michael Savage of feminism: both stupid and mendacious at once, playing to an audience he knows possesses an average IQ of 2 digits at best.

    So of course he can’t handle Kindergarten math–or at least, he expects his hate-filled, mouth-breathing, aggressively ignorant fans not to be able to do it.

    As a bonus on top of the blatant stupidity, on the subject of age of consent laws? His hypocrisy is breathtaking. Get a load of this:

    http://www.salon.com/1996/09/09/news_536/

    Or this:

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/04/09/david-futrelle-to-teach-coeds-how-to-have-good-sex/

    Look, it’s clear what the guy is all about: money. Bilking his fans with half-truths, distortions, and making up false threat narratives against civil rights activists. He’s no different from a Klansman of the 1920s talking about Catholics, Jews, and blacks, selling fear of the bogeyman and playing white knight (just like the Hooded White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan) protecting the virtuous purity of white women from the big bad rapey Other Men. Only for him it’s not black men he hates, it’s all men who speak up for their fellow man.

    He makes his money comforting the comforted and afflicting the afflicted. He’s the kind of person who, if he saw a homeless man bleeding and begging for help on the street, would kick him in the crotch and spit in his face and then tell the suffering man it was for his own good. I’m not sure you can even call him a sadist, because being sadistic requires some sort of ability to feel the suffering of others and care about it. And I’m not even sure you could call him a liar; a person who makes no effort at all to be truthful may just be constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves and thus, constitutionally incapable of being honest to, or about, others. Such unfortunates almost always lead wretched, sad lives that end in loneliness and despair, all of their own doing.

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  11. Vladimir May 13, 2013 at 15:24 #

    18 is just an arbitrary age. It has no real basis in reality. The age of consent in my country is 15.
    A friend of mine, when he was 25, met a 15 year old girl. After a few weeks he both slept with her and met her parents – who didn’t have any objections. They are now happily married with a second child on the way.
    The morale here is that age isn’t relevant. The level of maturity is. And if we treat teenagers like children by not giving them responsibility and automatically branding them as victims when they get into a bad situations, then their social development will be slowed to the point when even a 18 old girl is considered to young. We should be teaching them about the real world, not forcing them to be children for as long as possible. When you treat people as children they will act like children.

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  12. driversuz May 13, 2013 at 15:33 #

    GAAAH! WTF!!!!!

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  13. driversuz May 13, 2013 at 15:40 #

    His talent for manipulation would be frightening if he had an ounce of charisma, and could attract a higher caliber of follower. He’s not at all scary though; he’s merely pathetic.

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  14. princesspixiepointless May 13, 2013 at 15:47 #

    I was just really surprised to find out she was a he today. I thought Man-Boobz was a Lady. Not a man, with
    now I get it, Man Boobz…wow,.

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  15. Liz May 13, 2013 at 15:51 #

    I agree 18 is an arbitrary age. Laws are based on generalities. A person is over the legal limit of alcohol to drive at .08, and I’m sure there are many many people who can drive safely at far over that limit.

    If a 15 year old wants to conduct business as an adult, he or she can request an exception and become an emancipated minor. Likewise many states permit the marriage of people under the age of 18 (in some cases, far under, in Kansas for example the minimum age for a female is 12) with parental consent.

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  16. Byron May 13, 2013 at 16:03 #

    Loving your coverage of the Jimmy Savile/ Freddie Starr hysteria. Good, clear-headed, sensible stuff.

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  17. Dean Esmay May 13, 2013 at 18:55 #

    By the way, were you aware you’ve been tagged a “hate site” by Symantec/Norton and O2? You’re in good company.

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  18. judgybitch May 13, 2013 at 19:10 #

    Just read the AVfM article on that subject.

    We’re a hate site…

    along with Toy Soldiers.

    A website for men and boys recovering from sexual abuse.

    Nice.

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/open-letter-to-symantecnortono2-on-censorship/

    http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/

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  19. fr0xxy May 13, 2013 at 19:13 #

    The best part is, is that at the end of the article you didn’t even really advocate for lowering the age of consent. The article was really about young, predatory, sexually aggressive girls. You obviously weren’t talking about nine year olds in hospital beds,

    That is probably one of my least favorite things that any writer does, it even bothers me when MRAs do it; pick on little bitty piece of an article and trash that. It then forces me to go read the whole thing to see if what the writer is claiming is there is actually there. That’s why I like your site, you pick apart THE WHOLE THING when you go over an article.

    I guess feminists aren’t as scrupulous as me; they just take whatever this fucktard says as the truth. Don’t bother to check your sources, ladies! I’ll give you all the facts you need to know!

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  20. Andy May 13, 2013 at 19:41 #

    Futrelle is a fat greasy cunt virgin, who thinks that acting like a bitch will get women to sleep with him.

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  21. Dean Esmay May 14, 2013 at 01:08 #

    More pathetic are his followers. Forlorn and lost, clinging desperately to lies and a dying ideology.

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  22. judgybitch May 14, 2013 at 01:11 #

    They miss the point so spectacularly it’s suspiciously almost like deliberation.

    One commenter wonders why 9 year olds should be prosecuted for being abused.

    What?!?!

    How the fuck do you get “prosecute 9 year old victims” out of what I wrote?

    It’s insane

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  23. sqt May 14, 2013 at 04:38 #

    Hate site? OMFG. Normally I’d say we’re screwed but really it’s a sign of real fear on their side. And Toy Soldiers? Really? Just insane.

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  24. daveiz May 14, 2013 at 07:45 #

    rescue from blue lagoon circa 2013, statutory rape and jail, WIC for the mother and child

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  25. malcolm May 14, 2013 at 18:46 #

    Fartrelle isn’t too bright, and his followers are just a bunch of pathetic broken souls who are frightened of their own shadows, like small dogs cowering in the corner. He really does take advantage of their fear by feeding them a steady diet of nonsense, designed to keep them coming back for more.

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  26. Nikki McWatters May 22, 2013 at 07:48 #

    Just stumbled on this and see you included my book in there. I agree that I was totally responsible at fifteen for my promiscuity. Nice blog! x

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  27. josorio300 February 10, 2014 at 04:03 #

    Yeah. No point arguing with Fattroll

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  28. xvart December 23, 2014 at 09:43 #

    Age of concent is not a standard anywhere, the usual “but she’s a child”, is just moral outrage moron talk, do a google on age of concent by country romania was 10. None of these places has collapsed from moral decline or anything else due to older people banging teenage girls.

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