So, this story is popping up everywhere! A PhD student at Harvard submitted a dissertation claiming there is a measureable, identifiable, quantifiable correlation between race and IQ. The dissertation was accepted by Harvard, and the degree conferred on Jason Richwine in 2009.
Here’s how we all rank:
Asians (oh, those clever little minxes!)
White folks
Hispanics
Black folks
The research is making the news now because Richwine cited his own findings in an immigration bill he co-authored, urging policy makers to consider refusing Hispanic immigrants, because “even after several generations, [they] had lower IQs than non-Hispanic whites”.
This whole debate annoys me for two reasons:
1. The idea that intelligence is linked to a biological mechanism to protect people from the harmful effects of too much sunshine is just stupid. Just point blank bag of hammers stupid.
2. The typical liberal response to “facts” they don’t like is to deny, deny, deny and then strangle whomever had the temerity to speak. This is also just stupid. You counter facts with facts. You don’t counter facts with squawky demands to just shut up already!
Let’s start with denying that race is even a thing.
My instinct is to point out that your entire experiment proceeds from a basic flaw — no coherent, fixed definition of race actually exists.
Oh, please. Here we go with the typical liberal denial of what is right in front of your damn face.
What race is this person?
What race is this person?
What race is this person?
What race is this person?
What race is this person?
What race is this person?
What race is this person?
What race is this person?
If that last one threw you, it’s an Australian aboriginal woman. Even if you couldn’t identify her racial group at first glance, you probably knew it wasn’t any of the others. The fact that people of mixed race exist and that it is not always instantly clear which races they belong to in no way disproves the fact that most of us can identify races fairly straightforwardly and often unconsciously. Just as drag queens do not dramatically alter our ability to identify gender for EVERY OTHER PERSON, mixed race people do not affect our ability to identify the racial heritage of almost everyone we meet on a day to day basis.
So what is the point of the denial? Why argue that race is a nebulous concept that can’t be easily defined when the truth is so clearly the opposite, most of the time?
Personally, I think it’s nothing more and nothing less than the beginnings of the future George Orwell spelled out for us in 1984.
Political language… is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell
The purpose of language in this case is to deny reality in an effort to establish a new aristocracy. Not exactly a new story in the course of human history, is it?
Political chaos is connected with the decay of language… one can probably bring about some improvement by starting at the verbal end.
George Orwell
Let’s look at Harvard’s reaction to the controversy surrounding Richwine’s dissertation.
We condemn in unequivocal terms these racist claims as unfit for Harvard Kennedy School and Harvard University as a whole. Granting permission for such a dissertation to be published debases all of our degrees and hurts the University’s reputation … Even if such claims had merit, the Kennedy School cannot ethically stand by this dissertation whose end result can only be furthering discrimination under the guise of academic discourse.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/05/14/is-christopher-jencks-a-racist/
This is a statement, not from the administration at the Kennedy School, but rather from student groups at Harvard. That’s pretty interesting, isn’t it? Students, those who are presumably actively in pursuit of knowledge and truth, want Harvard to shut down any research they deem inappropriate EVEN IF IT’S TRUE.
I wonder if those students know the motto of the school they go to?
Veritas. It means truth. That’s the whole point of university. To pursue the truth. Not “pursue only those truths which fit our ideological persuasions”. Just truth.
I would like to see Harvard expel the whole damn lot of the students who issued that statement for violating the fundamental precept of the university. If you want to pursue only the politically correct version of truth, go to Berkeley!
Now, having said all that, I still think it’s a giant crock of shit to be investigating a link between race and IQ. Yes, there is such a thing as race, and yes, IQ tests are valuable (although not perfect) measures of a person’s ability to understand problems and identify appropriate solutions.
One of the biggest markers of race is skin color. And skin color is the result of melanin. The purpose of melanin is to protect the DNA contained in your skin cells from the sun’s ultraviolet rays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin
And that’s pretty much it.
It’s a natural sunscreen. The closer to the sun you live, the darker your skin.
This person lives on the equator (or his ancestors did):
This person lives near the Arctic Circle (or her ancestors did) way up on top of the planet:
It’s not that difficult a concept to grasp. As humans spread out across the planet, skin tones changed to reflect the changing environmental conditions.
Here’s a little pet theory of mine I’d like to throw out, just for the hell of it. I think humans prefer lighter skin and hair and eye colors because those tend to be the result of recessive genes. A man with darker tones who has a child with a woman of lighter tones will almost always see his genes expressed in the children. Dark tones tend to be dominant. The preference for lighter skin is a natural paternity test.
I’m not the only person who thinks that, obviously, but I do find it interesting to contemplate. Preferring lighter skin is not necessarily racism.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003842.html
I find the idea that an adaptive mechanism like skin tone, which is fairly simple in biological terms, could in any way be linked to something as multi-faceted and complex as intelligence ludicrous. And yes, I will jump on the bandwagon and call that notion racism. The old “black folks be dumb” song and dance.
It’s bullshit. Racist bullshit.
You know what IS linked very strongly to lower IQs?
Malnutrition.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041117005027.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2628311
http://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v5/n11/abs/pr1971371a.html
The idea is not even the slightest bit controversial. Children who are starved, especially in the earliest years of life, perform very poorly on IQ tests compared to peers who received adequate nutrition. Like, really poorly. IQ’s down around 60 (100 is average).
Let’s look at this world hunger map, shall we?
http://www.geographictravels.com/2008/07/world-hunger-map.html
Oh well now, would you look at that. Looks like it’s mostly black and Hispanic folks who are starving. And all those white folks are living life to the hilt, with full bellies and bright futures.
Must be a coincidence.
Let’s look at this map of food insecurity in the United States:
http://www.nextgenerationfood.com/news/food-insecurity-in-the-us/
Highest rates of food insecurity:
Mississippi
Texas
Arkansas
Lowest rates of food insecurity:
North Dakota
Massachusetts
Virginia
Gosh, I wonder where all the black and Hispanic people are? North Dakota, right?
According to the USDA, in a report titled Household Food Security in the United States in 2011, black and Hispanic families are more than twice as likely to experience food insecurity as white families (p. 11).
White 11.4% of families food insecure
Black 25.1%
Hispanic 26.2%
http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/884525/err141.pdf
If you keep in mind the fact that obesity (especially as the result of heavily processed, nutrient deficient junk foods) is also a form of malnutrition, it seems to me that there is an entirely different explanation for why certain racial groups might tend to perform lower on IQ tests.
I realize that I haven’t proved anything at all by noticing these correlations. Correlation is not causation. And furthermore, I haven’t read Richwine’s dissertation, nor do I plan to, so I don’t know if he offered any tentative explanations for his findings. What I hope I HAVE proved is that you can research any topic, any topic at all, and discover truths, even if they are uncomfortable, without necessarily being racist (or any other –ism you want to throw in).
It looks to me like Richwine is a gigantic racist asshole, because he is using his findings to try and limit the opportunities for Hispanic people to come to the United States, because dumb spics. What if I’m right? What if IQ differences are traceable to malnutrition? That would indicate a whole different set of interventions and policies than just turn them away.
The lack of imagination from the student groups at Harvard is troubling, but hardly surprising. Their knee-jerk shrieking about banning the pursuit of truths they don’t like is part and parcel of liberal, feminist society.
Gender is a social construct! Uhm, no.
Race is a social construct! Uhm, no.
In shutting down the conversation about race and IQ, Harvard students are explicitly saying they don’t WANT to find a reason behind low performance on IQ tests amongst certain racial groups. They don’t CARE why some groups are not reaching their full human potential. They don’t give ONE SINGLE FUCK about anyone other than themselves. It could be as simple as making certain children have access to proper food and nutrition.
But fuck those kids, right?
Now tell me again, who is the racist?
Lots of love,
JB
judgybitch 
No one’s arguing melanin level causes your IQ to be higher or lower. Richwine simply shows that, just like melanin level is geographically distributed, so is IQ. If IQ is innate, we’d expect distinct sub-populations of the human species to have unequal mean IQs. If it’s not caused by melanin level, we’d expect there to not be a direct, linear relationship. And in fact, note that Asians, who are darker than whites, have the highest IQs.
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Hiram,
I think that seems obvious to you because you are approaching the topic as someone who is NOT racist.
Sadly, I think a lot of people would indeed argue that IQs are lower among black people because they’re black, which is in effect, arguing that melanin causes low IQ.
And either way, Richwine’s solution of just denying people entry based on their IQs is really simplistic and stupid. How smart do you have to be to stock the shelves at Walmart?
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Very interesting.
First of all, I would like to get through the label “hispanic”.
Well, white hispanics like Cameron Diaz or Andy Garcia.
Black hispanics like Celia Cruz.
I think when in USA you say “hispanic”, you mean “mestizo”.
“Hispanic” is a quite alien concept in Europe.
After traveling the world I just can say that the best looking women, you can find them in Russia, Belarus and Ucraine. And the best looking men (I am straight but I can recognize beauty) in Serbia. i don not know if that is a concept of superiority.
I think the highest art you can find it in Europe. Especially in Southern Europe. There is something really magic as well about Islamic architecture in North of Africa.
About the IQs… no idea. They always say the Jews are smarter people on Earth.
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Judgy, the fact that IQ is affected by genes is uncontraversial in the human sciences. I would recommend Cochran and Harpending’s 10000 Year Explosion. No racism crap, very accessible to the layman. Yes of course prenatal nutrition and many other factors contribute, but that there is some genetic componant is undeniable. The only real argument is how big the impact is.
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“The typical liberal response to “facts” they don’t like is to deny, deny, deny and then strangle whomever had the temerity to speak.”
1. I love your blog
2. The quote above is just silly, liberals aren’t the only group to suffer from this affliction. In fact I doubt you could have an “ism” without some hostility to the truth.
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I am a liberal and I have no doubt at all, that races exist.
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It’s “silly” to point out ideological reactions from liberals because there are other ideologies? Your comment is a waste of bits, which I’ve brought to the attention of the government, so they can be sanitized and recycled for use by survivors of domestic violence
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No, that’s not was was said at all.
it’s silly to imply that denying new evidence is somehow a trait that only afflicts liberals. which is what I said, and what JB agree’d with.
If it were phrased like “A zealots typical response to “facts” that they don’t like is to deny, deny, deny and then strangle whomever had the temerity to speak.” I wouldn’t have made my comment.
Calling these people Liberal, simply gives them legitimacy that they simply don’t deserve.
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I would point out that race is incontestably real, but ethnicity is a social construct. “Hispanic” is not a a race, but an ethnicity, including whites of Spanish descent, Mestizos, Amerindians, Blacks whose ancestors were brought to Spanish colonies as slaves, and every imaginable combination thereof. The less intelligent ones which Richwine has suggested restricting are the Amerindians and Mestizos, which are those who typically spring first to mind when discussing Hispanics.
I would also point out that scientifically speaking, the genetic basis of intelligence and personality is uncontested by biologists and evolutionary psychologists, as Jason said. The scientists who oppose the idea tend toward the sociological, who generally regard the blank slate idea as an article of faith, that is, that intellect and personality formed by nurture rather than nature.
Thirdly, I would say that the idea that populations which were substantially reproductively isolated for thousands of years, in widely different environments, and evolved enormously different physical traits, but did not evolve any change in their minds is just silly, and I expected better from you JB. It’s very much a left wing idea, that evolution through natural selection has been present throughout history, but stopped in the human race thousands of years ago.
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Also, to find a part of the Manosphere which does not apparently believe in HBD is quite unusual.
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Oh, I agree. Human evolution did not stop just because we find the idea of racial differences unpalatable.
But I would say there is a huge difference between claiming that reproductively isolated groups evolved different types of intelligence adapted to their specific environments versus claiming that some groups have lower intelligence than others.
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I would agree, there are certainly areas in which other racial groups are “better,” but the types of intelligence which evolved in Europe or Northwest Asia seem to be the ones which are most required for building and running an advanced society. In the modern world, they would be the “better” to have than, for example, the type of intelligence which makes the natives of New Guinea superior hunter gatherers.
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You want to know what Melanin has to do with IQ? In climates with freezing winters you need discipline and planning. Or else you will not survive the next winter and your genes go extinct. You can not live in Siberia, or Sweden, happy go lucky as you can live in Africa.
And too much Melanin in dark winters prevents you from producing enough Vitamin D, also very bad for your health.
J Philippe Rushton has a concise theory, supported by a life of intense research with dozens or hundreds of pieces of research in top rated peer reviewed research journals.
We wrote dozens of article about race and iq
Race differences are among the biggest taboos. A Nobel Prize winner was shunned and ruined because of one such remark.
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Racial differences in intelligence: James Watson, Nobel Prize winning geneticist persecuted for scientific truth
Everyone has observed that countries, states, cities with more black population are poorer and more violent
Richard Lynn: The Global Bell Curve. GDP (national wealth) related to skin color, intelligence of Nations
When no white man is around that discriminates, then Blacks do not flourish. Rather all gets worse. Be it African nations, be it Detroit, where mayor, police chief all are Black.
The result is sad.
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Well, Europe has been the most violent continent ever. Just go back to 1939.
Africa… I think there is a lot of artificial violence, product o all the European colonization.
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my prior comment is awaiting moderation, probably because it has TWO links
So only one more link here
Race differences in intelligence: how research changed my mind to overcome the "all races are equal" dogma.
“The best evidence for the genetic basis of race-IQ differences comes from trans-racial adoption studies of Oriental children, Black children, and Mixed-Race children. All these children have been adopted by White parents at an early age and have grown up in middle-class White homes.”
Chart 9 summarizes the results for Oriental children adopted into White middle-class homes.
Korean and Vietnamese babies from poor backgrounds, many of whom were malnourished, were adopted by White American and Belgian families. When they grew up, they excelled in school. The IQs of the adopted Oriental children were 10 or more points higher than the national average for the country they grew up in. Trans-racial adoption does not increase or decrease IQ. The three-way pattern of race differences in IQ remains.”
In plain English: adopted Asian babies grew up to be very bright, adopted black babies grew up to have low intelligence.
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Not sure if Europe was more violent then Africa with constant tribal warfare
But I am talking about CRIMINAL violence, not organized warfare.
It seems that during colonization, warfare subsided and that various African Nations became a lot more violent after the colonists left.
But political correctness falsifies history, statistics, and more ………
And I am not an expert on history, Africa, etc.
But I am an half-expert on IQ and human traits …………
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i do believe wilson was joking. at least, it looks that way
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i must contest there being different races, simply because my view of race is different. i see only one race since legolas, frodo, and gimli only exist in a book (and dwarves aren’t true dwarves. they’re still human, just genetically shorter and bunch of other things). else-wise, i see ethnicities will continue to see them til a group of people starts growing horns or some shit
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Very rarely have a problem with your posts, but they’ve been studying the food-IQ angle in depth for over 60 years. Chris Brand, Christopher Jencks and Charles Murray are just a few off the top of my head who have collated data: The National Longitudinal Survey of Youth alone broke that theory long ago. Sorry, but there is no consistent datum on your nutrition theory: Head Start was partly funded JUST for that theory, and found well-nourished youngsters had virtually no different IQ (as in, many times over time). At best you’re talking about stuff that was debunked in the 1970’s.
“But I would say there is a huge difference between claiming that reproductively isolated groups evolved different types of intelligence adapted to their specific environments versus claiming that some groups have lower intelligence than others.”
Why are you using gobldygook? It’s just families. “Races” are just big families. Everyone knows different families have different characteristics…like smarts. There is no biological reason at all to think different families would have the same brains. None. Families differ in every way we can differ as humans individually: smarts wouldn’t somehow suddenly be the ONE BIOLOGICAL CHARACTERISTIC suddenly immune to what we know of differs genetically in individuals? To believe otherwise is to set yourself against all common sense. There is no magical exception for brains because you want one.
Face it, you’re focusing on nutrition because you just don’t want to be mean to people. You want there to be a big exception in smarts because you’re a girl and you want everyone to get along and you suspect that if white people get pissed off they’ll kill everyone that can tan easily. You also kind of think deep down that if black people know this as a truth, they’ll break into a million little pieces, the poor dears. But, as you’ve even noticed in your own post, reality doesn’t give a big hoo-ha what you want. It remains true nonetheless.
IQ researchers have been researching every single damned potential exception for brains variance for over 100 years, in universities that are almost totally hostile to IQ theory and willing to pounce on ANY potential complicating factor. Decades and decades and decades and decades people have attacked G and it’s correlates, and it’s survived. You did not find the magical exception in a blog entry.
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Aren’t you confusing race and species?
Klingons are a race. They can breed with humans. Vulcans too.
The Edosians are a completely different species. Breeding with humans is not possible.
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The main point I was trying to make was that any topic is suitable for research. Investigating IQ and race CAN be racist, but it is not automatically so.
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Electromagnetic radiation exists in an infinite number of wavelengths, a small subset of which the human eye can detect. We experience those few wavelengths as “color”, with similar wavelengths classified into groups such as “blue” or “red”.
Race is the same. Although there are 7 billion of us and we are each unique, our brains like to classify. We see people of different colors; we group by color. Tada! We invented race.
If our eyes could only detect infrared, we’d all look the same and there would be no such thing as race at all.
Also, gingers are the smartest and Asian chicks are really hot.
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Hahaha!
You’re so awesome!
😛
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Those who don’t believe in evolution (i.e. the well established theory that biological populations change their observable properties over generations by passing on inherited mutations that improve adaptation to local conditions) are known as ignorant anti-science religious fanatics.
But those who apply evolutionary theory to explain differences between distinct human populations are known as racists.
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Yes, race exists, and “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. There may even be some validity that on average there are differences in IQ levels on a group level, whether from genetics or economic status (I, too, have not read Richwine’s thesis, nor do I plan to).
All of this is vaguely interesting, but I think misses the point. Assuming Richwine’s statistics are all true, the real issue is that he then used those statistics to argue for specific policy changes. And he probably did so not based on the actual raw statistics, but based on his interpretation of what the statistics mean, and that interpretation is often colored by politics. That’s where the danger in a discussion of race, IQ, and HBD lies.
IQ is an indicator but is not determinative. To use studies of average IQ among groups and then ascribe specific behavior to those groups is the “racist” problem. To say that Hispanics have lower average IQ than whites or Asians, and therefore, obviously, they will all be criminals and lazy leeches and thus should be barred from entry to the country is a gross generalization and a bludgeon with which to make a purely political point: those who make it don’t like immigration and will use any argument to stop it. Usually it’s used as a political dog-whistle, but in this instance was pretty plainly stated.
Richwine’s mistake was to leap from statistical analysis to policy proscriptions that are heavily influenced by his politics. Even one of Richwine’s thesis advisers agrees:
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my definition of race is multiple creatures that have one base template, with the average human being that base or some other creature that has far spread features. i do acknowledge that some races would pretty much be different species due to an inability to interbreed (like minotaurs/taurens, etc).
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The most compelling evidence that comes to mind is that Indians do comparatively well on IQ exams while Pakistanis (racially more or less identical – until 1947 they WERE Indians) do comparatively badly.
The above is exhibit A that cultural and/or economic factors dominate any racial factors. Add to that the fact that human minds develop out of utero (evolution decided to go with wimpier babies with smaller noggins that developed big brains during nurture rather than larger noggins, so the mothers didn’t have to have huge hips which made it harder to run away from, say, a large bear).
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I believe Indian castes fare quite different on IQ tests. India has a huge number of different tribes and sub-races.
So it could be that Pakistanis belong to a lower IQ sub-race.
Richard Lynn’s book, cited above, has the mean IQ on all countries, you can look it up.
But I am not an expert on India.
In the US, head start and all affirmative action programs failed. Reason is the genetic inborn differences.
Rushton documented that Blacks have earlier menarche, more twin births, are more active and fussy right after birth, mature faster, more testossterone, …….
And among the top 70 of the 100 meter sprinters, there is ONE white. And other Black sub-races dominate long distance running.
All 2012 Olympic 100m dash finalist will be black men. Racial Quotas for Whites /Asians needed to offset black privilege.
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Two things. First, you missed the affects of IQ tests themselves. The tests are bias. The biggest affect that causes differences between groups in IQ tests is test maker bias, not test taker differences.
Second, how big was the difference? I would have no problem just accepting that there was a consistent variation of 1-2 points between the groups (Half of one standard deviation). This would mean there is a difference, but it’s real world meaningless.
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From aretae again:
“With 25 year generations, the out of Africa diaspora the human race occurred about 4000 generations ago. There Has been a lot of time for the different sub-populations (races) to optimize differently.
Given that evolution works on the brain, the brains of different humann subpopulations should be optimized differently as well. Finding out how is the question, not whether.”
There is more to difference between the races than just melanin jb, and I think you know that.
That being said, I’m a firm believer in the idea that these well known and well published differences in IQ mean something other than the conclusion many have come to, which is to say that Latinos and blacks are dumber than whites and Asians.
I’m thinking that the fact that whites and Asian s
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Got cut off by my smartphone out-smarting me.
Whites and Asians wrote the tests so it makes sense that whites and Asians would have a bit of an advantage. Also, what you said about nutrition. Or any number of different factors.
And even if it is true and the average IQ is lower, the differences are very small. Also, anyone understanding the meaning of the term average knows that it means nothing on the individual level. I know several very smart latinos and a whole passel of white dudes that are dumb as stumps. Using it, even if proven to be true, as a bludgeon against an entire race is ignorance writ large.
But trying to say there are no differences between the races is as silly as saying that there are none between the genders, and it’s being done for the same reason.
Different does not mean “more” or “less” it just means different. I guarantee you that differences exist.
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But even if they weren’t, there could be a myriad of different reasons not including “latinos and blacks aren’t as smart as whites and asians” for that to be the case, so jumping to that conclusion is not logically sound (even if it is determined to be true later).
One must determine the reason before drawing the conclusion.
And besides, read what I said below – using this as a bludgeon against an entire race is just moronic.
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JB – I wrote my little piece below before I read this response. So read it understanding that I thought that you were trying to make the argument that the only differences between races was melanin levels in their skin. My jaw dropped at that – I had expected something different from someone who so clearly understands that “different” does not mean “less” or “more” in the feminism debate, and yet displayed an inability to understand the same concept as applied to race.
So take it with a grain of sugar instead of a grain of salt, I think I spent a while down there trying to convince you of something that you didn’t need to be convinced of.
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Your definition of race is irrelevant, since no one else uses it. Your definition is actually quite a bit closer to the actual definition of “species” than of “race.”
Whether you care to admit it or not, races exist, and there are differences between them that go further than skin deep.
Where I get off this boat is when people start to measure those differences to determine which race is “better” than the next. I am one of those that revels in difference, because how fucking boring would it be if we were all the same?
I would note that this is one of my biggest bones-to-pick with feminism, is the dismissal of differences and the attempt to eliminate them, as opposed to celebrating them.
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It’s mostly applicable when you have a bunch of groups that are very similar to each other despite origin. And I refuse to see ethnicities as races as that implies a possibility for one to be superior which is horseshit
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I think a lot of people would indeed argue that IQs are lower among black people because they’re black, which is in effect, arguing that melanin causes low IQ
It may be the case that some people would make that argument, but that’s essentially a strawman. The only person arguing that race = melanin content is you here. Race runs far deeper than outward physical appearance, and the quantity of melanin in one’s skin may correlate, but it doesn’t necessarily equal causation.
For example, I’m a flaming-red ginger, a mere subset of the Caucasian race. Just a matter of hair and skin color, right? Except for the fact that I require twice the amount of anesthesia during surgery than your average dark-haired Northern European, and have a higher pain threshold for everything but heat. As far as I’m aware, the gene that makes my hair red is not the same gene that makes my nervous system process painkillers differently. The gene that controls melanin levels is not the same gene that determines intelligence. Racial genetics are a huge package that include many different, linked, but ultimately discreet components.
Race is real. So are differences in genetic packages that come with race. And of course those things are going to be influenced by environment… but only to a point. I grew up in a desert state. I still sunburn like a motherfucker in the summers.
But in general, yeah, I can’t see the long-term benefit in determining immigration policy on IQ levels.
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Can we quit throwing around the term “racist”? It’s just like a HuffPost forum with a bunch of feminists throwing “sexist” and “misogynistic” around. These words are meant to shame, silence and control opinion.
I think JudgyBitch threw on the brakes a bit with this post. It stands to reason there are genetic differences, based on race, which influence IQ. I think the author is just too PC (or perhaps afraid that she’d be labeled as an “ist”) to acknowledge the truth.
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What I like is when people use the terms ‘racism’ and ‘discrimination’ interchangeably. Or even misuse the word ‘racism’ to mean ‘racial supremacy’.
Racism means, at it’s simplest level, that you support your own race more than others. There is nothing wrong with racism until you allow it to become racial supremacy… ie. you allow it to affect your judgement negatively.
Discrimination happens every moment of every day. When you decide to have scrambled eggs for breakfast instead of cereal, you are discriminating.
Even racial discrimination makes sense in many cases. If you own a store in a neighborhood where every store has been robbed twice by a pair of white boys, you have a right to decide not to sell to white boys to protect your business until the perpetrators are caught. This may be poor judgement, but you have a right to decide what you are going to do with your own property (One of the things that disgusts me about ‘equal rights’ is that it takes away people’s right to do what they want with their own property)
However, racial supremacy, meaning the inbuilt assumption that a particular race is automatically superior in the absence of proof, is just another silly, baseless faith.
but as far as ‘racism’ itself, it has a very logical, sensible basis… in a competetive environment, it is logical to support your own genetic patterns over someone else’s. Evolution at it’s most basic.
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I agree totally.
If a prefer Slavic women over any other kind of women, it makes me a racist?
If there are tones of german women who goes to jamaica for a “romantic trip” it makes them racist?
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Actually skin colour could be indirectly related to intelligence:
One of the biggest limiting factors on brain development is temperature regulation. This is why warm blooded mammals have come to dominate the planet, because lions (warm blooded) are much much smarter than crocodiles (cold blooded) – A crocodile would struggle to keep a larger brain at the appropriate operating temperature.
Specifically, it is overheating that is the problem for brains. If you walked around in 50 degrees heat you would likely get sunstroke/brain damage.
This fact explains a lot about humans:
It is likely why we have no/very little body hair left, to help us keep cool for the sake of our brain.
It is likely why we are tall and skinny compared to other apes – the larger surface area aids heat regulation and cooling.
It is likely why we have such thin skin compared to other animals – our skin is very thin, which means our blood vessels can be pushed very close to the surface of the skin to help us loose heat. The down side is we’re not very tough at all.
So, it is entirely possible that humans who adapted to colder temperatures were also able to grow larger brains due to those colder temperatures.
Take Neanderthals: It is generally agreed that they were adapted to the cold, and they had larger brains than homo sapiens.
Obviously, larger brain =/= more intelligent, but there is definitely a strong correlation between the two.
So in summary, the mechanism goes like this:
Cold environment -> less over heating of the brain -> larger brains -> more intelligence
Less sun light -> Cold environment -> lighter skin
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I’m colour blind; Certain colours (damned pink and purple!!) all look the same to me and I can’t tell the difference between them, so I tend to avoid using these colours that cause me problems. I’ve been told this makes me a colourist.
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also, may want to avoid saying how someone views something is irrelevant since no one else uses it. no one uses your perspective other than you, so does that make it irrelevant? care to guess how many other groups have that line of thought?
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you can accept that India has several tribes and sub-races to explain the IQ disparities between those from the Indian sub-continent and Pakistan.
But I wager you couldn’t accept that”black” peoples have the same because you like to paint them as “inferior.”
These are the roots of racism. Do whatever you do to make yourself feel better for discriminating against people daily.
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Then you should have said that. What I saw was what looked like an attempt to meta-test nutritional effects on IQ, not that IQ could or could not be racist. Yes, looking back at your post: it seems quite obvious it was an attempt to refute IQ using the old canard of nutrition (by old, I mean think of the last person to die in your family: older than that person’s birth).
You should have said “who cares if it’s racist? I only care if it’s true”
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A man calmly discussing differences amongst breeding populations is “racist”?
You must be white. They’re the only people that hate themselves so much and so intensely that they police their own selves with such zeal. I will never understand the self-hatred your kind has.
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They have no idea if that’s true, and it won’t be anything except a theory until they crack the DNA molecule once and for all.
Once they do that, there won’t be any hiding from unpalatable truths.
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While I love this blog, I call baloney on the bit about racial IQ differences being caused solely or almost solely by malnutrition.
Consider dogs. Dogs are bred for different purposes, and different breeds therefore have different characteristics. Intelligence varies between dog breeds. This is widely known and uncontroversial.
Why can’t the same be true of humans? Sure, human races aren’t consciously bred as such, but evolved in response to environmental pressures. The mechanism is the same though. Some traits get reinforced while others are weakened. Why is this controversial?
IMHO, I think it’s the result of, firstly, “blank slate”-thinking (in other words that anyone can become whatever they want if the receive the correct upbringing), and secondly the thought that people can’t be equal in value as human beings if the are fundamentally different in capabilities and potentials.
I say that both ideas are false and toxic. The first is easy to check using Google. The second requires qualification. I’ve little time, but I’ll just say this:
Every human, directly or indirectly, holds a potential key to the survival of the species.
That is where we’re ALL equal, no matter how smart or stupid we are.
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And JB? no offense, but there is as much evidence to support the idea of low intelligence encouraging poor food distribution and production as there is for poor food supplies promoting low intelligence.
There is significant evidence that high supplies of ‘fat’ and animal protein in early childhood can increase intellectual development above average, and it is well known that malnutrition can cause brain damage, but claiming an entire subspecies has a lower native average intelligence due to brain damage, ESPECIALLY when those averages carry over into locations where there are little or no shortages of available fats and proteins, (ironically macdonald’s food, while the carbs make you horribly unhealthy, the fats and proteins make you smarter) Seems a bit disingenuous.
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Surely, if this guy wants to stop Hispanic immigration on the grounds of low IQ, wouldn’t the solution be to give all immigration applicants an IQ test? After all, we don’t want stupid white people more than any other race of stupid, right?
Immigration by IQ would be discriminatory, but it seems a better solution than excluding both the high and low IQ immigrants of a whole racial group.
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On the other hand, i totally agree with your conclusion that harvard is ful of pro-PC dipshits that silence truth, the scientific method, and freedom of expression at every opportunity.
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Eliminate tax-funded welfare and the whole immigration problem goes away… after all, regardless of intelligence, working immigrants ADD to the country instead of soaking up it’s economy.
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I love how they come up with conclusions like this, then decide ‘but we shouldn’t base anything off that!’
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I think they just want to stop Hispanic (read: Mexican) immigration. White Europeans are probably okay without the IQ test. Hell, I don’t see anyone clamoring for ICE to raid the pubs of New York and Boston to round up all the Irish bartenders that have overstayed their visas…
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Well, there are two separate issues. One is the innate nature of cognitive ability. And yes, there’s a strong innate component—if there wasn’t, then Neanderthals (who were close enough to humans that we interbred with them) would have been just as good at tool-making as humans. And they weren’t. And since it’s innate, then we should expect variation by population. In other words, yes, Africans have lower average IQ in part because they’re Africans, just like they are at higher risk for sickle-cell anemia because they’re Africans.
The second issue is what should be done in immigration policy. Frankly, I completely disagree with Richwine. A racial filter in immigration law is not the way to select the better immigrants. You can select high-IQ people by filtering for…get this…IQ. Why use a proxy for IQ when you can just have prospective immigrants take an IQ test instead?
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I think a lot of people are mixing up IQ and intelligence. I’d say IQ is part of a persons intelligence. I also find it sad when ppl overrate IQ. Regardless their own.
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Hmm… thought of something else I should add. “Racism” is most often treating individuals as though they were mere statistics. For example, the fact that black people commit homicides five times as often as white people is a simple fact. Acknowledging that is not racism. But treating your black co-worker as though he could murder someone at any second is racism.
More to the point. My wife is Mexican. And yes, she is mestiza. She also has a PhD in math from a fine Spanish university and numerous publications. I don’t know what her IQ is, but I’ll be it’s pretty high. Denying her entry to the US simply because people from her region of the world *tend* to have lower IQs than *most* Americans is racism.
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No, it makes them slimy sex tourists!
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Now what would the PC masters do if said IQ tests actually caused a racial imbalance to immigration?
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It’s kind of a myth that immigrants flock to this country based on generous welfare benefits. I’m going to assume you’re meaning that the illegal immigrant problem “goes away” (legal immigrants actually contribute to the economy and tax rolls, as you note. Most illegal immigrant come here to work, albeit under the table. Illegal immigrants are barred by law from receiving most direct welfare anyway. And there is little evidence (though lots of supposition and conjecture) that immigrants base their decisions on where to settle on the generosity of welfare benefits.
See here: http://www.dallasfed.org/assets/documents/research/er/1997/er9702a.pdf
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That’s exactly what I meant. Legal and illegal immigrants have NEVER been a problem. Our problem is the enormous welfare state that drives companies overseas (fleeing taxes) and the huge numbers of unemployable americans, compounded by the potential upcoming amnesty.
After Amnesty, those under-the-table workers will become taxpaying citizens… however, they will no longer be able to find their under-the-table jobs, (And the shady employers that rely on NOT paying employment taxes to make a profit will become insolvent almost instantly) thus becoming, almost overnight, an army of welfare recipients.
Considering that your average welfare recipient draws nearly 3 times as much money in public assistance and benefits as your low-level worker, what is going to encourage people to actually work?
And, contrary to your comments, there ARE a class of quasi-legal immigrants that hugely drain the welfare system… illegals that cross the border to have a baby. This ‘semiamerican’ class is the second largest welfare consumer in the country, drawing more each year than our actual national deficit.
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You don’t want to start stepping away from IQ as a measure of intelligence, because it vastly complicates the debate unprofitably.
In essence, ‘true intelligence’ involves intelligent application, logic, problem-solving, learning potential, and the ability to produce tangible results. If we start applying THOSE sorts of principles as proof of intelligence, we might as well kick 90% of the men and 95% of the women out of the country.
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I was never suggesting it was anything other than a hypothesis.
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Nonsense. He/she pointed out the obvious hypocrisy. The poster in question is just pushing the usual tiresome propaganda from the usual dubious sources.
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JB – Richard Nikoley over at Free The Animal would like to repost this article in its entirety with your permission, of course. He asked me to clear that with you. You can email me and I can give you his email address, Please advise.
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Repost away!
Contractor who knows a friend of a friend is on his way to help us deal with our water. Down to 20 gallons an hour.
We’re good!
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Woo Hoo! 20 gallons an hours!!!!
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JB,
FYI, Jason Richwine wrote his side of the story here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/348673
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PS: I’ve been peripherally aware but haven’t been following this story. Just in terms of chilling the academy and one of the nation’s – indeed, the world’s – cognitive centers, I find the Harvard students’ reaction frightening.
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I’m all about academic freedom but I agree with the Harvard students in this case. This article says it much better then I can.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/05/16/should-research-on-race-and-iq-be-banned/
The link between malnutrition and iq doesn’t need a study on iq and race as a lead-in to explore the link.
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“I’m all about academic freedom but …”
Well, then you clearly are not “all” about academic freedom. More like, you are not at all about academic freedom. Those Harvard kids are an embarrassment and, worse, they are a frightening sign of incipient fascism in our culture. Veritas, indeed.
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That’s because leftists aren’t liberals any more. They reject free inquiry, fact, and logic. I wrote more on this here:
http://metalutheran.blogspot.mx/search/label/Marxism
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Perhaps you could consider educating yourself about neuroscience of intelligence first, before coming to any conclusion on the matter. These websites are a good start for a layperson:
BrainFacts.org
Genes to Cognition Online
First, Chinese are not going to heed such calls for a moratorium on research of genetic underpinnings of intelligence. Why should they? Falsehoods and dogmas have no permanent place in science, one way or another.
Second, how could such research form a basis for white supremacism claims, when, in aggregate, people of mainly European descent score after Ashkenazi Jews and Far East Asians?
Third, perhaps could you point out to racism undertones in this interesting article written by prof. Pinker? The issues addressed there are not a sacred cow to ignore on merely ideological grounds.
As a side-note, there is a single minor error still present: , when in reality sickle cell anemia constitutes a homozygote disadvantage, not a heterozygote advantage.
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Embarassing. The idea that race/ethnicity is only skin deep or a social construct isn’t seriously held by anybody with the slightest knowledge of e.g. forensic anthropology or population genetics. There are significant morphological and behavioral differences that persist ON AVERAGE (population genetics is always about distributions of traits) in genetically identical but environmentally distinct populations. That’s why you can determine the race of an individual with very high certainty by looking only at their bones.
Food is only a small part of the picture and in only a few areas of the world, as the gap persists even in the first world (there’s a definite argument to be made for malnutrition depressing IQs in some parts of Africa and South Asia, but the gap diminishes only slightly when this is controlled for).
The IQ gap persists almost entirely unchanged in adoption studies, so the effect of nurture is relatively low.
Socioeconomic status has relatively little effect. Poor asians outperform even rich whites. Poor whites outperform rich blacks. The effect is pretty intractable.
Furthermore, the argument that some sort of oppression by ebil wacist whitey driving down IQs in other races doesn’t hold water. The oft-persecuted Ashkenazim have excelled in any number of environments in which they faced severe discrimination. The same is true of the Han Chinese all across South Asia, where they are a highly successful but reviled minority. What’s more, those ebil whites are consistently outperformed by Northeast Asians even in that notorious blast furnace of ebil wacism, the American South.
To hypothesize that despite differences in biochemistry (e.g. different immunities, distinct abilities to process some toxins, different hormonal balances, rate of maturation), musculoskeletal morphology (e.g. saggital crests, degree of prognathism, adipose distribution, extent of facial neoteny), and even temperament (e.g. conscientiousness, impulsiveness, aggression) which are KNOWN to have a genetic basis and differential distribution across races/ethnicities, there cannot possibly be differences in IQ with a genetic basis isn’t just odd, it’s outright laughable.
IQ, however measured, strongly predicts success in doing activities which require abstraction and complex problem solving, so it’s no good punting on that front. It may not be a direct measure of intelligence, but it’s extremely highly CORRELATED with intelligenct at worst. Furthermore, there are any number of culturally neutral IQ tests which have been developed which require essentially nothing more than the ability to recognize increasingly complex patterns (Raven’s Progressive Matrices being the gold standard in this respect when last I checked).
Let’s be grownups about the facts here. Even after leaving Africa, humans both adapted to their different environments and interbred with other near-human homonids which had spent much longer adapting to their environments (see Neanderthals, Denisovans, and probably relic Homo Erectus populations). Evolution didn’t stop at the neck. We don’t have to be jerks about the implications of race and IQ and demand the subjugation of the untermensch (particularly since ebil whiteys like me are less intelligent on average than Ashkenazim and Northeast Asians), but demanding that we not talk about these things at all is a religious taboo rather than a rational decision not to pursue a relevant area of inquiry.
A much more profitable objection to be made, in my opinion, is that Hispanics are a highly heterogenous population racially. Brazil may have Mexico beat, but Mexican Hispanics (the majority of the population whose immigrant desirability is at issue here) run on a continuum from nearly 100% white (one such friend of mine cheekily refers to his family as “Conquistador-Americans”) to 100% Amerindian (an ancient offshoot of the ancestral Asian founder population). As you might expect, IQ variance across the Hispanic population is very high because of this heterogeneity. That means it’s less useful to discriminate on the basis of race (which we’d be using mostly as a proxy for IQ) than it is to go ahead and just measure the damned IQ.
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You know, there’s something very interesting about the fact that a ‘judgy bitchy’ blog like this is far more open to the free exchange of ideas, even unpopular ones, Than one of the supposed ‘greatest centers of learning in history’
Yes, sheer IQ is not enough. There are several different components that even some of the HIGHEST scoring individuals and racial groups dramatically lose out upon.
1: emotional IQ and interpersonal problem solving. Feminists try to claim that they excel at these standards. This is, in fact, entirely, and proveably, false.
2. Creativity and innovation. This and interpretive logic is where IQ arguably most effectively impacts civilization. Anglo-saxon groups usually point to this form of this intelligence since it is, admittedly, where they tend to hold the highest average.
3. Learning ability and recall. This is where Asians tend to shine the most brightly. Processing and internalizing information and putting it to use in a useful fashion.
4. Empathic and interpretive logic. This is your ability to break down insurmountable problems into manageable chunks. Often those who do not ‘test well’ for IQ will still possess a high measure of this form of intelligence. Often referred to erroneously as ‘common sense’
5. Logical consistency. This is the ability to apply known logic and interpretation to unknown factors.
The problem is, IQ tests only look at #3 and #5. There were some ‘attempts’ to look at #1, but it tends to be highly subjective. IQ tests try very hard to look at #4, but often excelling in Area #4 is actually a factor of #2.
So yes, white people in general tend to be full of #2. And we are proud of it.
Pun intended.
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I would love to see an academic study where ALL intelligence factors were compared across all races. I have a sneaking suspicion that the results would be absolutely stunning… especially to leftists.
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Good point. In terms of policy, Richwine’s origin point is how to structure immigration policy rationally. His premise is we need a rational standard to determine who to let in and who to keep out. That standard should benefit our society. What should the standard be?
In the past, we’ve used ethnicity, nation of origin, wealth, and educational credentials as entry standards. Richwine’s advocacy of IQ cuts through all those standards and attempts to find a standard that will identify immigrants by their individual intrinsic potential, regardless of ethnicity or wealth or educational credentials that may be due to circumstances. If anything, Richwine’s proposal guards against a blanket racist immigration policy with a particularized non-racial criterium.
I suppose the US can use the same admission criteria that Harvard applied to the Harvard students protesting Richwine, but they would include race as well as circumstantial advantages that Richwine excludes.
Is Richwine’s idea the best on balance? I don’t know, but it’s a step in the right direction. Shutting down constructive discussion on the issue is a step in the wrong direction.
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I think culture does factor here. Asians raised in the US tend to be more creative and innovative, too.
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I’m pinning this post solely for the purpose of having this reply close at hand. Excellent rebuttal.
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The definition of a word is not an opinion. I would never dream of telling you that your opinions are irrelevant. It’s just that the definition of the word race isn’t up for debate or parsing via opinion. Two different things.
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excellent reply, hit all the high points. i am very disappointed in JB in her “melanin drops IQ” strawman she argues against.
she is better than that.
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Hey JB:
First, nice job and thanks for allowing me to repost it. Quite a barrage of comments, many of which left me wondering if commenters actually read the thing. At any rate, thought this comment from a PhD level physicist and physical chemist who comments regularly at my place might interest you (there are some references to some of my comments which shortly precede hers in the thread.
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marie // May 23, 2013 at 22:57 (Edit)
Richard, I just noticed this post. Fantastic – everything you say (though I can’t stand JB and usually disagree, but I recognize it’s mostly her writing/attitude that grates).
I have to agree on everything you’ve written in your post and your comments/replies – I’m amazed!
Nigel sums it best.
Your example with the Hadza and rectilinear shapes is perfect and if anyone doesn’t get the inherent bias in any ‘aptitude’ test after that, they just are not trying.
Since I was 5 and until I graduated with my last graduate degree, I took dozens of “IQ tests” and was studied by the Canadian psychological society chapter in Quebec. Once an adult, I was a tester for modifications on a bevy of tests that make-up what is still popularly known as the IQ test. The reason I bring this up is because the emphasis was on finding bias, but here’s the kicker, it was Not cultural bias that we looked for Because that was even then considered Inevitable. There’s a heck of a lot of research on that, then and up to now (the bias on which I had to feedback was in test delivery, the way you ask the questions can make it harder or easier to do, especially the auditory portion).
A big problem for any ‘hardwire’ argument btw is posed by immigrants, specifically, somewhere between second and third generation the ‘race’ difference of some immigrant populations vanishes even in the average (for that generation).
The reason the Harvard guy got his thesis accepted is exactly because he did Not try to claim a genetic aka inheritable aka ‘hardwired’ difference, but managed to convincingly link test performance to race as far as race can commonly be determined.
So yeah, to then try to use that in immigration policy is dishonest, for many reasons, any single one of these reasons being enough to knock out the idea of ‘IQ’ testing in immigration, so for example, anything from the problem of averages and the individual variability that you bring up all the way to the case where some race may be monolithically ‘dumb’ per our tests, in which case it would matter Why they performed badly on them since that would say whether or not it’s a Changeable performance, especially for the kids. Anyway, since when does an immigrant country need only rocket scientists, or even only ‘average’ cashiers/tellers?
Humans as integrated beings, yes, exactly.
Oh but wait, the anti-imigrant camp would then want to have tests for ‘hard-working’, ‘persevering’, ‘creative’, ‘artistic’, ‘strong’, ‘enduring’, ‘emotionally stable’, and… yah, while we’re at it, let’s breed like-to-like, slot them in occupations for life and sterilize the underperforming….oh, wait someone wrote that book already.
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Well, human biodiversity “spectrum”, interestingly enough, has a lot of areas with very low “color saturation” (sample density) if compared to population clusters traditionally called ethnicities and races. At least that is the conclusion of single nucleotide polymorphism/principal component analysis studies mentioned here.
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Its young nerdy people like him, not varsity athletes, that will shape the future of humanity (assuming that their upbringing instills enough of grit into their personalities).
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Richwine’s thesis wasn’t that *Hispanics* (who are not a race anyway) have lower IQs. It was that the ones who emigrate here have lower IQs. Is it so surprising that those who are without skills and not making it in Mexico have on average lower IQs than those who are educated and economically successful there? The former are the ones who come here illegally. So eager are the great and the good to find racism everywhere that they ignore simple facts in order to feel morally superior.
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JB:
Had to do a follow up.
http://freetheanimal.com/2013/06/intelligence-and-race-how-smart-are-white-people-really.html
Judge as you see fit.
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There is a scientific correlation between Ethnicity and IQ. This Harvard student is not the first one to prove the correlation. And as far as your malnutrition theory, it carries no weight as most asian children are malnourished and have been for the last 50 years, but still score high on standardized tests and IQ tests. Intelligence is genetic, which is why many races for the longest time did not want races mixing. The Chinese, Japanese, and Europeans did not believe in mixing races. There are two separate studies that have shown the exact same results as this Harvard study.
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It’s refreshing to see a site where this subject is discussed openly. Unfortunately I’ve came across a few sites where almost everyone seemed to be angry “lefties” who appeared to be too stupid to realize that in their frothing anger towards this student, they were the ones being offensive, prejudiced and judgemental, calling the student (and people of her “type”) all kinds of things.
It really is ironic, as some posters have touched on here, that the lefts are increasingly showing a fascist like urgency to jump on anyone or anything that openly discusses race, sexuality, nationality etc. As JB said, maybe if people were open about these things we might be able to help some of the ills that affect certain sections of society. No subject should ever be off topic.
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Do you live in Africa?
Well I do!!!
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Wow, this rant…oops, article… is way off. You imply that race is just about skin colour, but that’s only what you see on the outside. Everything from the skeleton to immune systems varies between races, even brain size. Then you start ranting about malnutrition which is a factor but you completely ignore the inferior black IQ scores even in countries where they eat TOO much! Food insecurity in the US? Puleeease. Compare white and black IQs in the same state and you’ll see the difference still stands. Obesity is brain malnourishment? Where do you come up with this trash? Obesity actually increases mental health so if anything the obese are at an advantage. Nice attempt at sticking your head in the sand and avoiding the facts that you wish weren’t true.
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IQ exists on a bell curve, even within one racial group. If you mapped out all the IQs of white women relative to white men, the bell curve for white women will peak slightly to the right (higher) than that of white men. However, two issues prevent that fact from providing any significant starting point for policy discussion:
1) Translating a quantitative measure of intelligence to a qualitative one is not straightforward. It’s easy to give a description of the difference between someone with a 115 IQ versus a 140 IQ, but how about 115 vs. 120? Or 140 vs. 150 (very rare, I know). So even when there are clear quantitative differences, one can’t always make assumptions about what that means in the day to day. Charts of the IQs of holders of various degrees and those in various professions are given along a spectrum, meaning that there’s a general minimum IQ necessary, but generally, you still find a smattering of different IQs within professions, and very few professions require very high IQs.
2) If you imagine a bell curve with overlapping sets of data, even if on average, the peak of one group is lower than the peak of another, you will still have a large minority of the lower group that have higher IQs than a large minority of the higher group. Essentially, the fact that Asians, on average, have higher IQs than white people will not tell you whether any particular Asian will have a higher IQ than any particular white person. So again, what does this tell you in the day to day?
Your (JB) point about malnutrition is well taken. However, malnutrition is not a factor in someone’s racial makeup. So while the IQ study could possibly lead researchers to try and figure out *why* IQ is lower for certain races than others, focusing on race itself will lead further down the path of some inherent biological ability vis a vis other races. We already knew without the study that malnutrition negatively impacts cognitive development. So presumably that factor could have been corrected for if the researchers were going to consider environmental factors. Yet the reality is that people tend not to critically examine that which seems to confirm their pre-existing beliefs. (black people are simply dumb) And that’s more the issue with such research–not that it could not potentially give us valuable information, but that the pertinent questions will not be asked.
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“…and very few professions require very high IQs.”
A person with a 120 IQ would struggle just to complete a mathematics, engineering or physical science degree. The leaders in these professions have much higher IQs (135-200). Without these geniuses very few outstanding science and technology discoveries would ever be made.
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I agree that liberal democrats are at this time the biggest racists on the planet.
I agree that our “higher education” centers teaching political correctness above truth is very frightening.
I agree poor nutrition is the cause of many deficiencies in development.
I don’t agree that we understand genetics enough to be even fairly sure how each gene performs individually or in combination with other genes to create specific results. Time and again they’ve “pinned down” exactly what what this or that gene does, only to have completely unexpected and often horrifying results when they manipulate it.
I don’t disagree with your study. I’m simply saying in the world of genetics we’re still little better than the magicians of the middle ages trying to turn lead to gold.
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I think your point actually furthers mine. How many Nobel Prize winners are there relative to the world’s population? How many STEM PhDs relative to the American labor force? (A 120 IQ is sufficient to complete an undergraduate STEM degree, btw) The amount of people this country needs for the jobs requiring such innovation and genius are quite small, which means that we do not make policy affecting the whole population based on the capabilities of a handful of very smart individuals.
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Richwine is of course correct..The same evolutionary process that lead West African blacks to dominate in all sports where speed is numero uno like running, basketball, and football. Lead peoples in colder climes to grow larger brains..Put shortly during ice age life was easier nearer the equator. Near the poles if you weren’t clever enough to find food & shelter you and your genes didn’t pass on.. .Nobody truthfully disputes the former, those that deny the latter are (mostly) lying, or willfully deceiving themselves..The idea that this truth should be brought to any discussion of immigration is just common sense.
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The idea that race is “a biological mechanism to protect people from the harmful effects of too much sunshine,” i.e., skin color, “is just stupid. Just point blank bag of hammers stupid.”
A cruder man might say that another thing that is “just stupid” would be going on about “malnutrition” like you’re an expert on intelligence — while not knowing, e.g., that starved North Korean kids adopted by Swedes end up with higher (genetic??????????) IQs than Swedish kids; not knowing that little brown babies in the States are not, in fact, “malnourished” to the point that they could be losing IQ points over it; not knowing the heritability of general intelligence; and so on, and so forth. But most of all — by far, most of all: using the word “racism” like it’s a real thing that really exists and makes brown people dumber, and not just a “bag of hammers” to bash white people over the head with.
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Actually, I am aware of those facts.
I was simply illustrating that you can research a topic and construct hypotheses without those being axiomatically “racist””.
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Fair enough. I guess I, as a professional raciss, just get annoyed to see a lightweight like Richwine, who probably isn’t even a fascist or ANYTHING, get praised as a “gigantic racist asshole.”
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Einherjar & Brigadon – I have to say to both of you, a very good post, with some fine and logical points. Both of you are right on, with regards to ON AVERAGE IQ Differences with regards to IQ in the various racial groups.
Hiding these facts will actually do us no good (in the long run). I think people are scared (particularly black people and maybe darker skinned hispanics) if these facts came to the open and accepted more openly by society, that our society will be “more racist or a 3rd Reich” type society, or some B*llsh*t like that.
I think we need to have this serious and open debate, about IQ differences.
With regards to Point 2, Brigadon I think you are absolutely right, Europeans are on average the most Inventive and Creative race, thats not so say others are not creative but we are talking about averages (this coming from a Mixed Race / Indian and Euro guy)! Also another think you and like minded individuals like you, need to realise is even though (For EG) North East Asians may have a on average IQ higher than European (In think European are about 100-103, East asians are 105 to 108, however I think their bell curve is MUCH MORE “Narrower/Slimmer” so therefore they have much less individuals over IQ 125/130, than Europeans, over IQ 125/130 is what is to be highly creative and innovative….
Thanks & Just my 2 Cents!
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This comment and the article in regards to IQ and food is one of the most interesting things I have read all week. Creativity comes from the process of trial and error – actively learning and a willingness to try different things.
To pay the rent, I teach music classes – one at an inner city charter school for poor Hispanics and blacks and one at a very well off school where tutition is 30k for a 1st grader. One thing I noticed is often times, if you show the inner city kids a bit of faith and encouragement, they are willing to work to reach goals as long as you lead by strong example. However, they run into problems with fully grasping and experimenting with new concepts (chords – playing a song – writing a song)
On the other hand, the rich white kids will often have better habits for learning and trying different things – however, this can come at the expense of an unwillingness to do proper ground work and get stuck in a process of constantly trying to “figure things out.”
Asians have always been masters of imitation, which I’m always impressed with when practicing technical passages, but seem to have the most difficulty with “creativity” and using music to find their own voice.
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Too true and I’m frankly a bit relieved about that.
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All an IQ score measures is your ability to take IQ tests.
Its been known for a long time that they suffer from a number of biases including cultural knowledge.
See http://unseenu.quora.com/Thinking-IQ-indicates-intelligence-is-not-very-smart
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How the hell is it racist to assume that Asians and Caucasians are smarter than other races when science points to that?! Sure, I too think that the malnutrition aspect plays a huge part in the extremely low IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa, but who are you to assume, then, that that is the only explanation? From what I have heard malnutrition cannot explain the IQ difference in its entirety. Why should we assume that human races are equally intelligent? Does the same apply to different breeds of dogs?
And also: Asian people don’t enjoy better food than Caucasians, do they? Like I said, I think the malnutrition aspect is one of the biggest ones to difference in IQ, but it does not seem to be the only one — either from a logical or empirical perspective.
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And back to the beginning we go… (sigh)
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Kuddos to you JB..you all ways speak my mind..
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I reiterate my former comments, on page 1 of the comment page.
The entire anti-racism movement is a mirror image of the feminist movement. Built upon lies, taboo, falsified data and fake research, on the repression of true data, the shunning of unbiased researchers. Unjust quotas, huge expenses in legal cost, affirmative action that costs billions to put lower qualified people into jobs they take away from qualified white males.
Even the US government does not argue that Blacks have lower IQ. Rather, the Supreme Court outlawed IQ tests decades ago, as part of job admission criteria.
Dangerously incompetent fire fighters, weakened by gender quotas, dumbed by racial quota nonsense
Firefighters (almost 100% of the ones that die in accidents are firemen) have quotas for weak women, and for black and Hispanic men that can not answer basic questions whose answers were explained in the paragraph above on the test sheet itself. Questions that are relevant for fire fighting, like what to do with a fire extinguisher that has 70 lbs pressure if the correct pressure is 100 lbs (well,load more pressure onto it, duh). Oh, and these dumb people not only need to be admitted, but promoted to be the superiors giving orders to the guys that actually passed the entrance test.
I just saw an old video by Philip Rushton where he said that, on the outset, he believed the politically correct theories and he was swayed by the data.
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Eminent Researchers find that women commit as much domestic violence as men. Most other researchers say even if it’s true, it shouldn’t be a topic of research. Everybody is wrong.
vs.
“Harvard PhD student finds a correlation between race and IQ. Harvard students says even if it’s true, it shouldn’t be a topic of research. Everybody is wrong.
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Funny how the medical establishment does not touch upon the issue correctly:
IQ is most definitely correlated witH – with decreasing importance
1. Food / nutrients (vitamins & minerals) / EFAs etc. before and during pregnancy – both for the mother and before conception for the father (effective needs are sometimes 100x higher than assessed by current medical mafia – B-vitamins, vitamin E etc.)
2. Food / quality of mother’s milk / quality of nutrition for mother during breastfeeding
3. Lack of IQ-impairing toxins like heavy metals, fluoride, vaccinations during pregnancy as well as early childhood (i.e. fluoridated water decreases IQ by 5%!!!!)
4. Quality of food and nutrients during the first 6 years of life
5. Intellectual stimulation from 5-6 years on
Now orthomolecular medicine knew about this for decades. Another point is that IQ tremendously increases if just two generations do the mentioned 4 points around the period of childbirth. It means that a family of average IQ of 100 can attain IQs of over 130 or higher within 2 generations. There have been huge tests done in the UK in the 1930s to 1950s which absolutely confirm the points mentioned here.
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Great info. It also goes along with the fact that the inventor of the first IQ test, Alfred Binet, did *not* consider IQ to be an immutable attribute. The purpose of the test was to help students, not simply classify them.
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You sound like another student of Weston A. Price, DDS. If so, cheers!
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Whereas this article is just same old eugenics noise: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/your-fate-thank-your-ancestors/
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Research based on works by Price, Dr. Max Gerson, Dr. Klenner, Linus Pauling, Dr. Wallach etc. You could even go back to Antoine Bechamp who said that health is nutrients minus toxins. The level of nutrients is just incredibly higher than currently admitted by the mainstream medical establishment – especially during essential periods like pregnancy and early childhood. Looking especially at resaerch by Dr. Wallach from the 1970s to 80s he has proven that 98% of all birth defects can be prevented during pregnancy of all mammals (in some instances even reversal of severe defects can be attained!). Of course the same goes for reaching the full mental capacity. But who needs a smart super-healthy general populace?
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Yup – the usual eugenics nonsense – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Burt. Actually even Cyril Burt conceded in the 1950s that IQ greatly reacts to high-quality food (After having falsified earlier IQ results in order to prove that the upper classes had superior minds. Aristocracy likely had inferior capabilities due to rampant inbreeding.) But of course the upper levels of science know fully well that eugenics is crap and even heredity is highly versatile and reacts inter-generationally to positive factors (improving height, body strength, IQ, even beauty is possible). I have found so many research papers on how to produce lasting inter-generational birth defects and impediments, how to correct them, how to improve general health etc. Research that somehow has not found its way into the most basic teachings on health and medicine. Hint: it has nothing to do with a lack of beta-blockers.
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I don’t think skin tone is juts a product of living way up north or in hot Sunny areas.
Inuit peoples live in super-cold regions yet are darker than Europeans.
Japanese seem lighter-skined than many of their Chinese neighbours.
Prof. Cavalli-Sforza I believe attributes part of skin tone to diet as well.
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Your speaking my language! Yes I am a fan of your heroes as well as many others. However, it would seem that nutrition really is the most controversial subject these days–worse than religion or politics. It can also get quite dangerous. I am very glad to be alive today. I nearly died for nutrition–not in the usual sense. Vampires–who want to live and be young forever–do indeed walk this earth. Some knowledge comes at a terrible price.
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Absolutely correct. Our diet shapes our genome just as sure as our environment does and quickly–faster than “evolution”.
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Too much Twilight exposure here. I see necessity for more fillings. The dangers of gentle chokings do indeed exist.
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“I find the idea that an adaptive mechanism like skin tone, which is fairly simple in biological terms, could in any way be linked to something as multi-faceted and complex as intelligence ludicrous.
Why is it ludicrous? Look races have different skin tones, this is known. They also differ in other ways, this is known. For instance east asians are far more likely to be lactose intolerant. Australian aborigines are far more likely to get diabetes. These are genetic characteristics that are far more likely to be present in people of one race (and therefore one skin color*). Now I know what you’re going to say “DIabetes is caused by behaviour”. And you’re right, it is, in conjunction with genetics. It’s easy to explain WHY Australian Aborigines would be more likely to have genes for diabetes. Their traditional diet doesn’t cause it. They did not evolve in an environment where a diabetes causing diet was a problem. Nobody is arguing however that the genes that make them black, or give them the distinctive aboriginal facial features, are the ones that give them diabetes. It’s simply an observation that people who have those genes are more likely to have the genes for diabetes. The same COULD be true of the genes for high or low intelligence.
* Depending on what you call “one color”.
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You showed a map and said that food intake influences your intelligence during child development. Africa had the lowest levels of food and therefore you concluded that the reason why kids in africa have low IQ is because they’re starving. While I’m not saying that can’t contribute to it, and you haven’t presented any studies to back that claim up. Somehow, I really doubt that there’s “hunger” in one of the most fattest countries in the world. Guess which state is the fattest. Mississippi. Shouldn’t people from Mississippi be super smart geniuses? I also don’t understand why you keep bashing liberals. Clearly liberals maintain the same position as yourself that there’s “no difference” between the races and no difference in intelligence. Even though blacks and whites have been evolving separately for a good 60,000 years now.
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You missed my point: any topic can be researched without necessarily being racist. And fat countries may not have a hunger problem but they have a malnutrition one.
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Actually, white people had to adapt to an environment that tried to kill you for five months a year called “winter”.
Nig nogs and the other races just sat around all day for millions of years and didn’t have to prepare for shit.
White people had to unite, and they had I unite WELL. If they sorta united – they died out. If they kinda united – they died. If they UNITED and made sure they had crops and goodies for the winter, then they’d have the chance to prove they could do t well, again, nex lt year.
Such a “small” factor can have huge effects in an organism over millions of years.
Hey all I’m demanding is the media stop censoring reverse racism. If they do that, which IS FAIR TO DEMAND “free press”… Then everything else will fall into place.
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What you pointed out about what is considered one of the most prestigious learning institutions in the world really made me upset, and saying that I agree with all EXCEPT your last statement. Where do you live? Well, I bet that its not in a border state like me. What is wrong with thinking up solutions to very real problems. Now I could see ya calling him an insensitive dick. Folks, truth is just that, no one can escape it. Why be ashamed just because statistically you might be smarter than the guy over there with darker skin. You very well know that if we go to ANY high school outside of a major metro area and conduct an observational study of our four sample groups (Asians, Whites, Hispanics, Blacks) the end result will be in that exact order. But hey, to add a little food element to it we could go to one high school that’s under the rule of the iron spatula of our Lady Michelle and one- foolishly…foolishly-disregarding her infallible dietary save-all…and the result…well, it’ll be the same. I have no problem with immigrants, but the more solutions brought forth to control a very pervasive issue the better. We have to do our hardest to keep trash and freeloaders out of our country and only grant citizenship to hard working individuals who prove they’re worthy to live in such a great country by going through the whole process. What’s wrong with only selecting the smartest of the applicants…”You’re hired”…or…”We’ll be in touch”
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It seems to me that your malnutrition argument is riddled with holes. You speak of facing uncomfortable truth, yet you ignore facts that don’t align with your theory. Many Asian countries that face hunger problems score high, while a well fed (white)Australia is among the lowest scoring nations. You are intelligent, but your dismissal of verifiable facts and ignorance of material that could be easily researched, probably speaks to more to your own personal feelings regarding race rather than your ability to objectively observe data.
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i doubt the parts of Asia that are taking tests are also the parts that are malnourished. you have to look at where the areas of malnutrition are and financial standing as well as the country
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I agree that there is a correlation between malnutrition and lower IQ’s, but there is also evidence to suggest that genetics play a huge role. You support an idea and you lack even anecdotal evidence. You say you doubt the malnourished parts of Asia are taking IQ tests. What makes you think that? You also ignore my observation regarding Australia as it doesn’t align with your theory. I don’t think this is a forum for the plebeian 6th grade opinion “racism is bad, mmm kay?”
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i ignored the observation about Australia because it’s a Western world nation that isn’t filled with people suffering from malnutrition, so lower IQs are less likely to have a connection to malnutrition, regardless of links or cause. i say i doubt the malnourished parts of Asia are taking IQ tests because IQ tests require money, not something commonly found among the malnourished.
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Actually, Dan, JB linked to quite a number of studies that support the thesis that malnutrition plays a significant role in IQ scores results, so lableling the argument as “riddled with holes” doesn’t really “hold water,” so to speak.
And I could find no support for your contention that poor Asian countries score high while well-fed Australia is “among the lowest scoring nations” so if you actually have “verifiable facts” do please share the sources with us.
The lists I found of average IQ score by country put Australia near the top with a 98 average (higher than the US, which JB noted in the post has significant areas with high food insecurity, not to mention Americans’ rather poor dietary habits when it comes to nutrition). The only asian country that might be considered to have “hunger problems” that scored high on the list was Mongolia. 17 of the top 25 were European and many others were former-European population stock. I will say that the very top of the lists were dominated by Asian countries, all of them considered wealthy.
So your point about Australia isn’t really valid because it isn’t true.
Though, even if it were true, I’d put the difference down to better beer and rugged outdoorsiness. It’s possible they’re slightly less intelligent, but they’re generally pretty happier…
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“If that last one threw you.”
Except the first three, they all threw me.
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On you IQ racial classification, you WRONGLY stated that Asians are classified at the top.
Actually Ashkenazi Jews, who are white are above Asians on IQ tests.
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Um im hispanic and have a 137 iq although I think iq tests are not the end all be all of intelligence. Just get rid of affirmative action. Those that pass the tests and are physically fit enough to do the work should be firemen. End of story. I don’t want to be discriminated against cause I’m hispanic (the presumption being I have low iq). Nor should their be quotas eliminating white men. I don’t deny white men can face discrimination in the work force and other areas. But going the other way isn’t good either. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Where I live most firemen are white men due to nepotism (good ‘ol boy club…have to have the connections). Meanwhile in san francisco its practically impossible to be a fireman if you are a young white male. Both are wrong in my honest opinion.
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One particular kind of white. I think she was referring to racial groups on a larger scale (white, asian, black…not a particular subset). However on an individual level the man with the highest iq in the world happens to be asian (terrance tao at 230 iq…unless someone beat his record so don’t quote me on that).
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We can talk this thing in circles, but those advocating explicitly (or more often, implicitly) policies based on racial averages are going to fail if only because you cannot circumvent the fundamental fairness problem such policies create. As matt commented, regardless of the average IQ of any group of people, however you choose to group them, you don’t know the capability of any individual unless you test them. Given that we know how much overlap exists on these IQ bell curves between different races, it seems pretty hypocritical for those who would take issue with, say, affirmative action, to at the same time give an automatic preference to whites or asians who, on an individual level, may actually have the same or lower IQ than a black or hispanic person.
Individuals apply for jobs. Individuals apply for visas. Either advocate for an across-the-board standard that every individual has to meet, or let it be.
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That discussion leads nowhere. Race is only an additional correlation. We could equally find correlations of IQ and cars the tested subjects drive.
No – the biggest correlation is simply high quality nutrient dense food, non-toxic environment and water (no fluoride etc.) in addition to high nutrient intake during pregnancy and early childhood. Prepare a group for 2 generations and compare those races and then see if there is any significant difference.
My personal judgment is, that there would be likely none and there would be spike in the second generation. The European dark ages have been dark simply because of atrocious malnourishment for the majority of the population. I estimate average IQs to have been dismal by current standards. BTW – the elite know about this (plenty of studies done in the UK in the 1940s to 1960s) – IQ reacts positively to improvement of food and non-toxic environment and rises tremendously from generation to generation. And please do not confuse plentiful food wtih nutrient dense and supplemented food.
That is why we will rather have vaccines and glyphosphate-producing GMOs instead of pure water and improved organic food. A smart population is a difficult population for the Apex-Alphas of our society.
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Great saying on this subject (I didn’t compose it, but wished I had):
“If homosexuality can be determined for people at birth, why can’t being stupid or violent?”. The real answer is that the latter two certainly can. (Eventually, we’ll have prenatal testing to detect/prevent the queers from being born in most cases, and they’ll fade away as a significant issue, thank God.)
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One more thing, JB. There was undoubtedly no small amount of evolutionary sifting over the past few hundred thousand years in the more northerly climates that the tropics-dwelling people did not go through. This is described well at the layman level by r/K Theory. Are you familiar with it?
Here is a nice summary of it:
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/
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“One of the biggest markers of race is skin color.” Is straight up wrong, Difference in muscle and skeletal structure, as well as, yes, our brain, are all much larger markers of race.
Skin color is one of the minor ones seeing as how it can be changed in just a couple generations in the sun. So yes, I am sure that each race has evolved to their unique environments, and this would include intelligence. Its just that intelligence is a fickle thing, and not easily identified.
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My Theory on Why East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews Have Highest Average IQ Scores in the World
http://thethinktankguideforsmarterliving.blogspot.sg/2014/04/my-theory-on-why-east-asians-have.html
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this author is a total ignorant racist with anger problems. Every race is different in different ways because of how long they were separated. You’d have to be a fool to think otherwise. So yes, some are smarter, stronger, faster etc. in their own ways.
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Actually the last one didn’t throw me either. She looks obviously Aussie.
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OK so where do Indians fit in? Under Asians? They are South Asians but in the US “Asian” generally means East Asian, whereas in the UK Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Nepalis, Afghanis and Bangladeshis are referred to as “Asians” and East Asians are referred to as Koreans, Chinese, etc.
Its the opposite here. Koreans, Chinese etc would be “Asians” and we would refer to South Asians as “Indians, Pakistanis” etc.
Anyway, where do they fit in? They are pretty damn smart, creative, good at math and science, inventing stuff all the time, especially Indians.
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You have some fairly serious gaps in logic in this article JB. Making the IQ/race link into an IQ/skin-colour link is a blatant straw man and a significant flaw.
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Hi. I like your site, and I need to weigh in here because race is definitely more important than, say, “rights” or some such modern notion (one of the main reasons I couldn’t ever call myself an MRA even though I hate feminist homewreckers with a deep passion), or especially the stupidity of totalitarian PC 1984 Doublethink, which is a spot-on assessment.
A couple of things, though: first, just because skin pigment is a characteristic of race does not mean that race is “skin color.” That is a deeply damaging and utterly false meme that was no doubt originated by very evil liars, and I strongly oppose its use. Obviously, consciousness differs racially (which is more important than just one characteristic thereof–again, intelligence). Second, everything egalitarians say is stupid because no one and no thing is equal in the universe.
So, for example, little cutesy sayings about how there’s “no definition” when these same jerkasses made up the word “racist” in the USSR to genocide Ukraine is simply, well, dumb. A logical counter would be, “well, why not just make everyone in the world Aryan if there’s no definition of race.”
Suddenly, these little antiwhite haters can figure out what race is. Shocking, to the uninitiated. But, it is a deliberate plot with lots of dumb cowardly losers supporting it because that’s how totalitarian regimes work.
The whole reason behind banning discourse on race in all White lands and ONLY in White lands is the same reason for mass immigration and forced assimilation. In the US, they “integrated” the schools by pointing rifles with fixed bayonets at kids.
What freedom. That’s another thing they call it. Of course, it’s genocide. And that’s all feminism is, too–lowering our birthrates below replacement level with a mass brainwashing program.
If some Whites did something so evil, we would never hear the end of it–so go figure.
Awareness that this is a plan and that their goal is to wipe us out is my main message, and what I wanted to convey–my main point. Anti-racism is just a codeword for anti-white, as lots of us have already heard by now.
That said, I also wanted to mention that I like the attitude of your blog. We should not bow to psychopaths that hate us and proclaim a baseless rule over us. Bravo on that.
Some of the best anti-PC attitudes I have ever witnessed come from ladies for sanity, so thank you for that.
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How People Misunderstood Jason Richwine’s Dissertation: Explaining Racial Incompatibility is Different From Racial Denigration
http://thethinktankguideforsmarterliving.blogspot.sg/2014/04/how-people-misunderstood-jason.html
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Lean Back, from my repeated experiences with Indians (dot not feather), they mostly invent crooked schemes. There’s a reason that Transparency International’s annual National Corruption Index puts India (and Pakistan) way, way down there. As the saying goes about how well they respect intellectual property/copyright, “One country, one disk” (that was actually purchased from the software manufacturer).
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Well said JB! Good research and love the visual aides with links…
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William James Sidis was estimated to have an IQ somewhere between 250-300. He was an Aryan.
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I think nutrition is possibly one of the most important factors in making up IQ, however here is another one that people seemed to have missed. TEMPERATURE. The human body and brain operates at peak efficiency at a temperature of about 28 Degrees Celsius (different for people with differing genetic make-up obviously) Now its fairly easy to stay warm, it just requires heat such as fire, insulated houses or good clothing, but staying cool requires air conditioning which is fairly rare in poorer countries. I would guess your brains optimal operating temperature would seem to be a huge factor.
I would assume it is a force multiplication factor combined with diet, education, genetics.
I would say that it is a very important one though.
To Simplify for people in Texas,
HOT BRAIN BAD, WARM BRAIN GOOD, COLD BRAIN BAD.
Wonder how many Mexican labourers in the US work in air conditioned environments.
General rule, if its harder to perform physical tasks due to temperatures the same will probably apply to mental tasks. Which could explain why all those fat people in Mississippi sweltering in the heat are not super geniuses.
Just a thought, “From a brain in a temperature controlled environment”
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Estimated. Not verified. Cry more.
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What a long, pointless rant.
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^This
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Yes, and your ability to do well on an IQ test is determined by your intelligence. And there are numerous tests that have been meticulously devised to eliminate any bias. Raven’s Progressive Matrices is a prime example. But even in the traditional tests, the “cultural bias” effect has been determined to be negligible at best.
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I don’t believe in one race being smarter than another;if a group of harvard students assume that , then it’s just too bad . It is all an issue of individual differences and hard work and mainly the issue of temperature for optimal performance of the human brain;temperature varies widely around the continents and so a major contributing factor .take for instance temperatures can rise as high as 37C in northern countries of africa.
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Here’s an article that looks interesting: https://thenatureofrace.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/the-geography-of-iq-intelligence-copy.pdf
There is also a high correlation between spanking and lowered IQ. So much research, so little time: http://www.nospank.net/
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I agree it is true that malnutrition can impact mental development in childhood which will impact IQ. However, why did you conveniently left out Asians in your malnutrition argument? Caucasians on average are better nourished than Asians on average (as more parts of the Asian world is still in the developing stage than Caucasian countries), so why did the study find Asians with higher IQ than Caucasians? Also, I find your inability to accept that not only skin color, which is an evolutionary adaptation due to regional habitation, could be different between people from around the world. If genetic differences in height, bone structure, muscular development, hair growth patterns, etc., can all be effected by prolonged regional habitation, then why can’t cranial neural development? I think the Harvard study is sound, but as objective readers, we need to realize just because a statistical IQ average may be slightly different among races, it would not be wise to prejudge an individual based on those trends.
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Very well presented points.
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^ Wayne makes the best point and a lot of points I was thinking. The writer seems emotionally upset over the study and not logically comprehending what he is writing about it.
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Damn. I didn’t know that since I’m black I’m not supposed to be at the top of my class. I guess all of those colleges after me are wrong. I should also tell my brother’s latino friend that it’s impossible for him to make a 32 on the ACT or be a valedictorian; hell it goes must go against the laws of physics for him to be getting a masters in engineering.
I have meet racist with better arguments than “It’s their skin pigmentation”. I could understand if he was comparing the differences in the backgrounds of the subjects but he is attributing it to race alone.
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Matthew,
The fact that you are “at the top” of your class and don’t know how averages work is disturbing in and of itself.
Look up “probability density distribution”, or ask your friend who got the 32 on the ACT to explain it to you.
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Matthew,
The fact that you’re at the “top of your class” and don’t understand averages is disturbing in and of itself. Look up “probability density distribution”, or ask your friend with the 32 on the ACT.
And, curiously, how would you say that race ISN’T “differences in the background of the subjects”? That’s exactly what it is… 125,000+ years of different evolutionary pressures creating differences in the backgrounds.
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“Let’s start with denying that race is even a thing.” I don’t think that calling race a social construct is denying that it exists. What is meant by this is that although there are legitimate biological differences that, to some degree, provide the basis for racial classification, who constitutes a race is still ultimately subjectively defined. For example, Southern Europeans were, at one point, considered to be members of a “Mediterranean race” which was separate from the Northern European “Nordic race”. Over time, as the two groups intermingled (and in many cases intermarried), such distinctions were dropped in favor of a more inclusive label: “white”. Although the broad, inclusive nature of the current racial categories used in the United States make it unlikely that we will ever see another such modification of racial definitions, the aforementioned example nonetheless proves that there is some malleability in how we define race, thereby making it a social construct. This is not to say that race is completely meaningless in a society that has chosen (with, admittedly, some biological basis) to classify its members in this manner, it simply means that these categories are not biologically set in stone and can, to some degree, be expanded or restricted. Race (or at least the American conception of it), as I understand it, is basically a collection of ethnicities who share certain common features. Which common features are required to be considered part of a certain race is something that different people in different parts of the world and in different time periods have had differing opinions on. In modern-day America, it’s primarily skin color. In previous time periods, things like hair color and eye color were also taken into account (hence the differentiation between the “Mediterranean” and “Nordic ” races). In other parts of the world, “race” is taken to mean something more along the lines of what people here in the States would call ethnicity. In Singapore and Malaysia, for example, Chinese and Malay are considered separate “races”, but here in the States, both would be considered members of the “Asian race”. None of this is meant (at least not by me personally, I don’t know about the author of the article you cited) to discredit the American concept of race: stricter classifications like ethnicity would be more difficult to differentiate at face level and wouldn’t be very meaningful in a country where a large percentage of the population is a hodgepodge of various European ethnicities. Swedes and Italians, just to take one example, do have much in common genetically, so in that sense, the concept of a “white race” isn’t all that far-fetched. That doesn’t change the fact that race is a social construct and not biologically set in stone – it’s still malleable (my statement, for example, would still have been accurate if I had replaced “Italians” with “Turks” – so if Italians are white, then are Turks white as well? I’ve seen people answer both ways. It’s subjectivities and ambiguities like this that make race a social construct). Sorry for giving such a long-winded response. I just felt the need to clarify that understanding that race is a social construct doesn’t preclude one from understanding its societal significance. Have a wonderful day.
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Oh, agreed though that gender is not a social construct (stupid feminists!). That is very much true. I simply don’t see race the same way.
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That was a very interesting article. As I understand it, the writers viewpoint is that we need to allow open discussion of these race studies because some of it might be fact, but also that some distrust of the race study, which now cant even be debunked on some levels because its not a subject for debate.
I would agree with some of that. But I take the opposite viewpoint and that of the university: The study is likely very factual and not likely to be debunked by nutritional arguments. And its not likely part of a conspiracy for some aristocracy or liberal agenda. And, because its likely true, its dangerous in a multicultural society because it can be used by nuts like Hitler or Stalin to create propaganda and wars to murder millions…like jihadists now use religion to justify killing people.
I think you need to understand history in order to understand why we ban this stuff. Yes, it breaks down the free information concept, but so what. The world is not 100% free. Never will be. You are not free to murder, right?
Lastly, I think there is some realization that America has and will always prefer educated immigrants than poor illegal immigration, like hispanics from Mexico, etc. There is no doubt reason to believe nutrition and societal factors lower intelligence performance among these populations. But so too there is lower IQ among these groups. Its a sad fact. America cannot afford to give free tickets to groups like this to cross borders illegally and reduce American society to the lowest common denominator. We have to also reward PHD’s from India, Russia and China and groups that directly benefit the creation of a competitive global society. We need the other form of immigration too, but america is not an open border society. Low IQ immigration and low uneducated illegal immigrants are needed, but we are not little Mexico. We also need higher IQ and higher educated legal immigration of America is to plan for long term growth. We need the brain power. Unfortunately that conflicts with anti-discrimination laws. So America needs to figure out how to justify the reality low IQ with high IQ and try and maximize the potential of that problem without publishing it.
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Your understanding of IQ buys into liberal BS. There have been acultural IQ tests for decades, there are no excuses and it strongly predicts life outcomes (drug use, criminality) important things for demographers. After decades of AA, the IQ divide is the same. There is evidence of dysgenic trend (the Flynn effect is BS stemming from better heathcare) in reaction times, a near-foolproof measure of intelligence.
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I think the Asian situation can be explained by the fact that not all Asian population groups score highly on IQ tests, and the ones that do tend to be from highly-industrialised nations, where “food insecurity” tends not to be such an issue. The less developed Asian nations generally have low IQ averages.
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Excuse me, but since when is “Hispanic” a RACE??? It is an ETHNICITY. There is no “Hispanic Race.” Apparently none of you brilliant whites have figured that out. This is a badly written piece JB, and throwing the F bomb around every paragraph or two doesn’t make it any edgier.
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*Excuse me, but since when is “Hispanic” a RACE??? It is an ETHNICITY. There is no “Hispanic Race.”*
And that is exactly why his dissertation was criticized by the university. Hispanic people come from any combination of European, Indigenous, and African racial ancestry. There is no way to characterize the racial composition of Hispanics at a group level, as that term refers to ethnic identity/cultural affiliation, not biological attributes. He couldn’t come up with a valid means of separating racial categories, which meant that his methodology was fundamentally flawed. And obviously if your methodology is fundamentally flawed, you cannot trust the conclusions reached.
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Agreed, you shouldn’t judge an individual based on trends. But the data doesn’t lie. If you were to claim that generally Asians are smartest and blacks are dumb. I really don’t think anyone could be upset or offended by such an adequately supported claim.
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Your “blacks are dumb” comment is an opinion. That’s not qualitative. And that’s where the devil lies, as people want to turn that i.to a public policy.
As much as people claim to know about IQ, the inability to draw appropriate inferences is pervasive.
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Quantitative, not qualitative.
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Matthew’s point puts the burden back on the HBDers. IQ exists along a bell curve. Pointing out an average is irrelevant. What do you think needs to be done with the info? That’s where there’s a lot of doyblespeak happening.
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After so many comments, let’s just call it like it is. HBDism is a mechanism for mediocre white people to push for an unmerited come-up in society. Why do I say that? Well, the truly brilliant white people are generally doing productive things like, coding apps and selling them for millions. They don’t feel threatened by other races because their innate talents will always make room for them.
But the white closer to the middle of the bell curve see that in the past few decades there are a lot of brown people passing these up. Now the statistical distribution of IQ across race should not make this surprising. If a white person has an above average IQ of, say 115, there are still going to be plenty of brown people who meet ot exceed that IQ. They will often achieve more and may have better jobs and homes.
But alas, many whites learned that they were always supposed to be in a position above brown people. So, some people had to go to work to figure out how to secure their position in society. Their inherent intelligence and other talents not being enough to legitimately beat out a lot of the brown competition, they resort to group-based merit. Suddenly, it’s not individuals proving that they are good enough for certain disciplines or jobs, but rather, the average ability distributed among a racial group is now attributed to the individual.
So, the mediocre white person can ride the coattails of the brilliant white person and advocate for greater deference and consideration to be given to themselves without having themselves actually possess an IQ or abilities that merits it. They add phantom IQ points for themselves and erase them from many of their brown counterparts, thus making it easier to compete and dominate socially.
We’ve been spaking as if this is actually about brown people. Nope. It’s about all of the average white people who are truly at risk of being passed up by all of the bright brown people.
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So many typos. Can’t edit, sorry. That’s what happens when you type from your phone.
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I agree that peoples opportunities shouldn’t be limited because they have lower IQs, I feel like that was figured out a couple hundred years ago. And malnutrition along with less involved parenting is the biggest result in lower IQs. However race may have to do with it. Humans have been in Europe, Asia, even Australia for 40,000 years at least. Each area practiced natural (or deliberate) selection of what was most necessary/valuable in that area. Woolly Mammoths lived in Europe, but not Africa. Maybe Europeans needed to be better strategists to take down giant mammoths, while the focus in Africa was on being fastest to catch Gazelles or something. The Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ in the world, and it’s believed that because from the 1200’s on, in Eastern Europe where they were displaced to, the only jobs they were allowed were accounting, mathematics type jobs. They are also known to be very unathletic. So intelligence IS an evolutionary trait and the different races evolved somewhat differently recently. So it isn’t absurd to think, just absurd to value a lower IQ person less.
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I agree with you that malnutrition, and not melanin per se, is a likely cause of lower IQ among geographically separate populations. As evidence, there are medications and supplements that increase melanin, and “increased stupidity” is not a listed side effect. However, it also raises a couple questions for me.
First – Malnutrition was par for the course for the entire world, including Europe, for thousands of years. Presumably, all those malnourished people in the world also had low IQ. How was Europe eventually able to prosper, while other areas remain stagnant to this day?
Second – There IS a possibility that the genes for melanin could be linked to the genes for intelligence, but not in a direct way. A famous study on foxes demonstrated that seemingly disparate genes are more tightly interwoven than we could have imagined. The researcher in the study was breeding silver foxes for “tameability.” As he selected generation after generation for this behavioral trait, he found that non-behavioral traits were somehow getting selected for as well.
In the study, later generations of the tame foxes began to exhibit physical traits that were different from their less-tame relatives, including floppy ears, rolled tails, and patches of white fur. This suggests strongly that the genes for tameability were also somehow linked with these other genes for appearance. So it’s not a far stretch to imagine that the genes that control for melanin expression could somehow be linked to the genes that control for intelligence.
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lmao did anyone notice they used Kibum’s picture for this?
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You took the words out of my mouth. Especially the “just because a statistical IQ average may be slightly different among races, it would not be wise to prejudge an individual”.
All the points made in the blog post seem to be ones very competent psychologists (like Jensen) have considered, agonized over, and dismissed. There are even studies looking at the average IQs of black kids adopted into white families, etc. where an environmental explanation just doesn’t hold water. I don’t want to advocate the “head in the sand” view, but differences in certain groups average IQ is established. It’s not news. Shouldn’t you get a degree for discovering something new?
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Taking a black kid and putting him in a white family doesn’t mean anything. That’s such a sketchy conclusion to come to from such a sketchy experiment.
You’re not controlling all variables in this experiment. For example, how is the white community reacting to this kid? What are the expectations for this kid and how are they being manifested? How does the black kid feel about being a minority in a non-minority community and how does that affect his/her self esteem, and how does that affect intelligence? Does the kid become depressed because of not belonging? Does the fact that the kid clearly stands out from the rest of the family make him/her feel insecure? etc. All of these things are not controlled in this experiment.
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You mention a couple of things that are good explanations on the surface of it but that don’t really hold water. Stereotype threat operated against Jews for instance but they still scored higher in IQ tests. Usually adoptive families are screened pretty thoroughly to ensure they can provide a nurturing environment (ie where the kid won’t feel depressed, etc)… Of course it’s not possible to know exactly what the kid feels without being him/her, but there’s always fuzziness in social sciences. Then you mischaracterize what I stated: I stated that putting two genetically identical black kids in different environments (one presumably good and the other normal or bad) doesn’t eliminate the black-white IQ gap. Moreover, I’m talking population averages. I agree that putting a black kid in a white family doesn’t prove anything. My earlier point was that even if you know smokers have lower iqs as a population, judging every smoker as stupid would have you judge Einstein as stupid
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” I haven’t read Richwine’s dissertation, nor do I plan to, so I don’t know if he offered any tentative explanations for his findings.”
but, nonetheless:
“It looks to me like Richwine is a gigantic racist asshole, because he is using his findings to try and limit the opportunities for Hispanic people to come to the United States, because dumb spics. ”
And that’s just fine? No problem at all? “I may not know anything about it, but is that going to stop me from throwing around slanders without providing evidence? Heck no!”
A little while ago i watched the debate between Janet, AwsomeRants and The Amazing Atheist, and I got a completely different image of JB there versus here. With just one blunder like this, she managed to jump on a bandwagon of dishonesty and hipocricy along with the Harvard students and radical feminists. I can understand that no one can be right 100% of the time on all matters, “errare humanum est”. But this is not a small matter.
Again I’ll ask: How doest JB’s audience fell about her mode of thought she exibited here? I’m genuinely curious.
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Uhm I read the article not the dissertation? To quote: He’s probably the first person ever to lose his job because of his Harvard PhD dissertation: Jason Richwine, let go by the Heritage Foundation on Friday. The problem: he co-authored their position paper opposing immigration reform; and then somebody discovered that his PhD thesis at Harvard’s Kennedy School was dedicated to the proposition that Hispanics have lower IQs than white people.
That sounds like using his theory to limit opportunity to me.
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“even if we establish a connection between race and IQ, it would be foolish to judge individuals based on their race.”
So, this entire study has no utility and thus is a massive and absolutely worthless mental masturbatory circle-jerk that doubles as a bigot/butthole hunting tool and likely costed people a frickton of money?
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Well, that means that correlation has been established, but to establish causation – takes a hell of a lot more. As far as we know, at this point, he may as well be a racist, he may as well have been motivated to “limit opportunities” based on his paper – quite frankly, I don’t care either way. I’ve already stated what I object to. You judged someone without properly informing yourself. What if his dissertation has merit? We don’t know because neither one of us read the stuff. I doubt it, primarily because he misidentified “Hispanics” as a race, which they are not. Still, they are a group, and if the data corresponding to that group is factual and if he didn’t make any other practial mistakes (e.g. having a limited and cherry-picked set of data = hasty generalisation fallacy) the rest of the dissertation can still be defended.
In the end, this is a matter of principle, more than anything else. A principle that feminists, religious fundamentalists, the above mentioned students and more recently SJWs have a contempt for – that no ideology is to be held higher than truth. Because, and to paraphrase Pat Condell: If truth is your enemy – you are so royally fucked. It’s only a matter of time when reality will bite off a big chunk of your ass. In praxi, this means that even if someone is a racist, a nazi, a pedophile or even a fe*inist – none of that can initself testify on the truth-value of their words. Most of us know this, but it’s one thing to know something, and quite different to apply it in real life. Everything somehow always seems easier in theory, doesn’t it?
I guess what I’m saying is: don’t be like feminists and SJWs who attach labels to people they don’t even know as a tool for dismissing their opinion. Be better. I mean, it’s not that hard, they’ve set the bar pretty low. And while I do understand the reasons why the Harvard guys said what they said, or why you felt the need to pre-empt the notion of yourself as a racist by suggesting he is one, do understand that such compromises simply feed the existing paradigm of political correctness which is at the core of this story. Everybody’s so damn scared that they’ll offend someone that it’s beyond laughable. And on the other side of the coin, such emotional state screams “weakness”, and is regularly exploited by those with an inferiority complex breeding, ultimately, that which we call – victim mentality. And we are all well aware what that looks like and what it produces, aren’t we?
Best regards,
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Come on, dude, I do NOT have time to read every dissertation I want to reference. It’s a nice speech, but totally unrealistic.
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Ok. If it’s unrealistic, then it means that there’s no danger someone calls you to account for something you referenced.
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None. And please do feel free. I’m just explaining there is no way I have time to thoroughly read source material. This is just a blog where I shoot my mouth off, not a hard-hitting journal 🙂
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LOL
I know it’s not, no problem. I just wanted to probe your mind to figure out how you tie concepts into an associative network, because i find female MRA’s intriguing psychological/anthropological phenomenon.
I got enough material, thanks! And take care. Especially around compulsive contrarians like myself…
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An EXCELENT book on the subject is ” The Bell curve DEBATE ” by Russell Jacoby and Naomi Gilauberman.
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An excellent book on the subject is “The Bell Curve”! and not some politically correct excuse of a book trying to debunk the Bell Curve for political reasons.
I Read a dozen book and hundreds of scientific papers on the subject, and the Bell Curve is a solid summary of a century of IQ research. Are you aware that the US armed forces IQ tests all potential recruits and has done so for many many decades?
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2. The typical liberal response to “facts” they don’t like is to deny, deny, deny and then strangle whomever had the temerity to speak. This is also just stupid.
Oh, FFS. It’s stupid to single out liberals for this form of stupidity. Do you really want to argue that the right is better at accepting facts they don’t like? The party of creationists, half of whom in polls believe Obama was born in Kenya??
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Lots of apologies for missing your comment “human2stupidity”. I hope you won’t miss mine . Nevertheless I am terribly sorry , but you are utterly wrong and rather immoral I am afraid , as most – half baked -racists are . For a start the ” Bell curve DEBATE” , is not just an ordinary p.c. book trying to “debunk” the original , but an Anthology of proofs and arguments , from several authors who DEMOLISH the Crime against Humanity which is Racism, and particularly racism against Black people . As a White male myself and Christian at that , I will remind you – or rather inform – you of some facts . During the apogee of the Greek-Athenian civilisation ( Pericles , Plato , Socrates etc. ) , slavery was wide spread . Slaves at that time , were a consortium of local natives , Northern European “barbarians” and African “barbarians” of all sorts . Most of them were “p.w’s” or booty and trophies of War , and EQUALLY enslaved under the Greeks so to speek , without any racist connotations . In the rare case where someone was freed either through grace , payment or whatever , this person could – regardless of his “barbaric” origin – aquire citizenship ( if he wished ) by virtue of his Greek education . So to be precise , only the Western Europeans ( to which self-righteous pool I believe you originally belong ) , who themselves up to around a millennium a go , as bona fide Barbarians where dragged in chains through the nose into the Roman bazaars , and after they managed to civilize themselves according to Greek/Judeo-Christian values and acquire POWER , they performed the most hineous crimes possible , combined later on , with racist -biological “reasoning” and consequently -as by evil eye – they spoiled their own positive and considerable cultural achievments . Starting with the accursed Schism of the ONE Holy Church , they attacked and destroyed the most Spiritual and long standing Empire on Earth, which was the Orthodox Byzantium , created one herecy upon another , and there after , slavery upon slavery but with a twist ! That is , not only slaves are slaves , but SUBHUMAN too ! How convenient is that ? Begining of course with the abundance of Africans ( with the gallant assistance of the Arab Muhamendan PIMPS ) , and proceeding with the Native Americans ( North and South ) , Asians etc . By the way the ” OMG soooo bright South Asians ” who are so much in vogue right now , were considered by the Western -oriented – “intelligence” criteria just up to 100 years ago , as the LOWEST of the low , including the Japanese ! And if the Nazis had prevailed we would ‘ve had of course some more convenient “Subhuman” divisions to exploit , such as the Jews AND the Slavs AND the Gypsies AND not unlikely even the Meds ! Lol And extra Lol ! But seriously the ORIGINAL Subhuman Evil Monsters who are the Racists , should realise the basics : the Procrustian Barbarity of the Western European historical Racism ( as well as Atheism and Feminism and Abortion) , have two origins : the preposterous self-delusion of the inferior Barbarian , when he thinks that he does something “different and superior”, as well as his ever present contemptuous lust for profit . In this context not only the “criteria” for “intelligence” are rubbish and relative to say the least , but also deeply sinful . The very Bible states very wisely that the “intelligence” of this World is foolishness in the eyes of God . On the other hand J.B’s stand was excellent . . “Yes Mr. Racist misanthropic psychopath, by all means , PRESENT your “f . . k all ” case , but have also the INTEGRITY to look at the facts “. Which facts ? That the results of these experiments – through the context ofcourse of this specific Westernized societal framework and parametres – are deeply dependent and interelated with the specific standards and conditions of economy and family existence , not to mention the inherited abysmal mass traumas from the past , that is from Slavery AND its UNBELIEVABLE DEEP DEGRADING RACISM . It is only thanks to their mental and physical strength and resilliance as well as God’s help that they managed to walk the line By the way another devastating vice -and blow- that the western “progress” inflicted on the westernised Afro-Americans and Caribbeans is the wretched Feminism , which combined with the ever lurking poverty , turned the majority of Black women into despicable enemies and TRAITORS of their own men and as a consequence proprietors of the destruction of the traditional Patriarchal Black Family , with all the devastating wemll known results . ( By the way the despicable Evil Feminists and miserable LGBT’s , incorporate the term “racism” into their audacious agenda as if their pathetic and provocative existence , has got anything to do with the horrors suffered by the Black people ) . So in any case compare the poisoned by Feminism westernised Black family , with the -more or less- intact African families where the serene , graceful and loving African Wife and Mother supports and utterly respects her husband . RESULTS : example : in U.K we had recently two -full blooded – Black Africans eight year old twins Peter and Paula Imafidon , who succeded as the brightest children worldwide in the advanced Level of Mathematics exams at Cambridge Uni. Similarly their slightly older sister- Mathematics protegy- Anna Maria . Furthermore how many people know that in U.S the highest level of Education among students ( higher than Whites or Asians) is achieved by Africans , mainly Nigerian and Kenyan ? There ! On the other hand is this the epitomy of Intelligence ? What about Wisdom , Empathy , experience , traditions . . personally again and again, -and I am sure I am not the only one to notice – I came across Black people -even among the lowest of the low- who had this depth of understanding and emotion, uncorrupted Humanity, almost otherworldly sixth sense of knowing , as well as grace , humor , genuine Dignity , Humility and Harmony. Additionally what really strikes me profoundly , is that at least most of them , despite their ever lasting “difficult” position among a predominately White society with all the past traumas and ever present ones , still stoically and with a SUPERIOR sense of Humanity they manage to be understanding and most of them to LOVE the White people . Amazing ! Therefore dear misguided Racists REPENT ! The key element I think here is , that we all come from ONE Blood . Each culture and nation has its highs and lows and obviously someone is free to choose or even dislike one or another . But NEVER to undermine its Sacred Humanity . Lots of Love as J.B. says , and lots of Rage from London – England .
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Prove he wasn’t. Don’t use his forged birth certificate either.
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Filipinos have a lower IQ than Japanese and Chinese. Filipinos are not malnourished. There are plenty of low-IQ groups that are not malnourished.
“from highly-industrialised nations, where “food insecurity” tends not to be such an issue.”
Yes, AND WHY? Because their high IQ makes sure they can produce better food, among other things. Something neither you nor JB seem to understand. But again, there are plenty of low-IQ groups that are not malnourished.
Arabs are not malnourished. Arabs and Persians have lived on pretty much the same level when it comes to food, and Persians outperform Arabs in academia. Persians are the only non-White, non-East Asian immigrant group in Western Europe that goes to college in the same proportion as West Europeans. Arabs do not.
Arabs and Blacks in Europe are not malnourished. They still have lower IQs. No matter where they live Blacks always, always have the lowest IQ. Regardless of how much food they stuff themselves with at the expense of Whites whose societies they live off of.
Why do they have a lower IQ? Because they have the “spray and pray” strategy for survival – having many children and hope that some will survive. They lived in a climate conducive for that strategy. They also NEVER HAD TO COMPETE with other races, like those of us on the Eurasian landmass. The Blacks were below the Sahara desert in isolation. Just like Aborigines in Australia, the group of Blacks that has the lowest IQ in the world. It is no coincidence that Africans and Abbos both lived in isolation and both have the lowest IQs.
No doubt there were other low-IQ groups of homo sapiens, who lived on the Eurasian landmass and who were outcompeted and disappeared from history. Like the Neanderthals before them.
Whites, and in particular Germanics, have the highest IQ – and an ability to explore, experiment and innovate that seems related to IQ but is still its own kind of genius – because our ancestors lived under very harsh circumstances. They couldn’t just have many children, leave them and hope that some would survive, like Black men did. Germanics had to have few children and take very good care of them. And when starvation came because the land was frozen and harvests sometimes failed, they had to choose which of the children would survive and which would not. They picked the best children to survive. And so evolution went on. Until Germanics could produce electricity, cars, technology and everything else that the world now enjoys.
That’s right, JB – less food because of environment actually means more evolution and therefore a higher IQ. Not a lower IQ. The Blacks don’t have a lower IQ because of a harsh environment. Africa is not just desert, far from it. It has an abundance of natural wealth, but Blacks were never intelligent enough to use it. They couldn’t even invent the wheel or the sail, very basic inventions. Africans don’t have less food because of their environment but because they were incapable of ever inventing good agriculture and tools.
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I’ve made this point before but it’s buried deep in the comments thread. I am not actually arguing that difference in nutrition DO cause differences in IQ – I am simply demonstrating the one can absolutely investigate those differences without the investigation automatically being racist. My big protest here is that Harvard – of all places! – is bowing to social justice pressures and refusing to investigate an issue that may or may not have actionable causes.
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Note to everyone: Views such as the one above rely on a heavily whitewashed version of global history and ignorance of the development of various African civilizations.
Obviously colonialism had a lot to do with this, and with British archaeologists and anthropologists in particular.
But more importantly, as I stated in another comment, I find that most HBDers themselves have accomplished little of note. The fact that Thomas Edison was of European ancestry is not a reflection on any and every other person of European descent. 99% could never come close to his intelligence or accomplishment. The various inventions in the West are largely attributable to a relatively small number of brilliant men who were heads and shoulders above their contemporaries. And then their insights were shared and taught (LIebniz & Newton with calculus, for instance). Once a principle is introduced to a society, that base of knowledge (and the reasoning process used to uncover those principles) can be built upon, raising the collective level of knowledge in that society.
And yes, a particular type of reasoning is highly learnable.
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Japanese immigrants had all the problems that blacks and Latinos have had.
Quit making excuses for both these groups and they might succeed – by WORKING.
My Japanese mother did not lie around moaning about how she was treated after WWII. Or during the war.
She just WORKED.
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What is “food insecurity”? Why don’t people have fewer children so they don’t have it?
Isn’t that part of being smart – yes, it is.
The brighter students generally wait to have children until they can support them.
So, then, they are blamed for being insensitive to the plight of those with food insecurity?
LOL
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I’d LOVE to see where arabs fall on the IQ chart or if they even register.
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Did they teach you anything about averaging in college?
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I don’t know about Latinos but the Blacks worked as nobody else ( and under the whip ) . You are right about the Japanese but nevertheless I believe the upcoming generations – especially in Japan – they are starting to develop more relaxed work ethics .
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As a single person myself and without children I neverheless believe , that generally speaking , children are ABOVE anything and no – children BELOW . ( unless of course you are a Monk or a Nun ) . . Therefore is it “smart” to “wait or eliminate ” while living in countries with untold wealth , but only for the few or the foolish “intelligent” ?
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You are cheeky , man ! Anyways there are Arabs and Arabs of course . Personally I have encountered great hospitality by them , ( which is noble therefore intelligent ) but long time ago , and I would’t recommend the effort to try it in their countries now , under this climate of perverted fanatism .
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There is no average in reality. Averages exist as statistical entities. People posses concrete attributes, and as I continue to say, whites who seek to claim superiority over blacks based on averages are attempting to dodge having to compete based on their own individual merits.
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This is so historically inaccurate that it would be laughable if the subject weren’t a serious one. I’d note in particular that the US actually paid reparations to the Japanese for what occurred during WWII, which is something that did not occur for blacks.
Add to that your implication that simply working is the magic wand of success in America and it’s clear that you view the system with rose colored glasses. There are thousands of blacks and Latinos who worked low wage jobs all their lives and struggled to make ends meet who would like to know what about their 50-60 hour weeks of often manual labor did not transform them into financially well off individuals. Black domestics and Mexican fruit pickers–all they had to do is go to work and the American dream would materialize for them, right? Not so much.
Furthermore, you forgot the Native Americans, who in large part continue to live in poverty with immense social problems that they did not have before European settlers arrived and that they did not have before the US took over the land upon which they lived. So, blacks, Latinos, Native Americans…all different histories and backgrounds, all experiencing very similar issues in America. But you choose a tiny immigrant population with a shallow history in the US for comparison and ignore the fact that other disparate groups who are much larger and have been here for centuries show that the common denominator is not race but colonization.
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How right you are !
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You consider yourself to have successfully disproven the effects of stereotype threat “cuz Jews”!?
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Higher IQ does not mean higher intelligence, when you can have medium range IQ but higher intelligence when drive exist that cause the accumulation of knowledge and from experience in time passage of time:
– IQ: a measure, conceived from problem solving a series of tests, against a time frame
– Intelligence: the ability to solve problems, utilising memory of same learnt solutions, or from observation of similar pre-solved problems, and the ability to create combinations of such solutions to solve other problems. all this is even better by being compounded by the so called Wisdom of Crowds, where knowledge can become cumulative when aggregated, therefore becoming very capable, as opposed to the ability a single individual’s IQ level.
It is understandably that higher IQ matters, e.g. to operate an airforce plane, or be a surgeon efficiently, where exist a time constraint, but in other less time-critical careers, learning can be slow but memorised and therefore very highly efficient as memory builds and accumulates over the long run, and if you factor in personality traits that encourage the input of other sources, the result is very efficient (e.g. wiki, Google’s search algorithm).
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I see another biped with an empty cerebrum being in denial regarding a fact.
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Nobel prizes in chemistry, physics and inventions are facts not an opinion by a biped with a lower IQ.
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Saying that Ashkenazim Jews are not athletic is stupid. Mark Spitz and many other Jews won plenty of medals at the olympics. Another ignoramus babbling idiocies. Obviously you know nothing about Ashkenazim.
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Don’t mention the Bell curve book to the liberals or the black community , they hate facts and are in denial.
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I had read that the lighter skins developed due to a change in diet when people switched from hunter-gatherers to farming and a resulting decrease in Vitamin D in the diet, which was made up with by lighter skin and sunshine. So before 10,000 years ago all people had darker skin, even “Europeans”.
Could it be that there are just way to many variables to IQ to apply one thing to it? I believe that in all things both nature and nurture play a role in development. I suspect race is way down on the list also. Look back at any ancestry and we see that things like race and “pure blood” are quickly watered down me being half of my parents, one/fourth of my grand parents, one/eight of great grand parents and on and on.
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Asians the smartest huh?????lmao,they are copy cats that’s all,they innovate nothing and steal the technology,or they take whitey’s tech,and make it a little better,but could they have innovated the tech?probably not,they need us to copy and steal from,so I don’t know where you get your facts but you are wrong whites built the modern world and space travel,chinks copied it,so go fuk yourself asshole I find your racemixing propaganda disturbing and unnecessary,typical libtard self hater,either that or you are Asian.but you cannot prove a score on a test determines how smart someone is,asians are memorizers but lack innovation .they need whites to copy so they can put a cheaper version out on the market,they are snakes,and all you colored assholes will reap your demise sooner than later,whites win we always do we always have ,you swarm into our colleges and countries hijacking knowledge like a bunch of uninvited pests at a barbque.go back to making noodles we saw how smart Asians were by their response to fukushima,mouthes agape the Russians had to stop fallout from destroying the ocean.,because they are not only incompetent they are sneaky.your scale is dead wrong.asians have overpopulated the world and without Asians the earth would be a veritable paradise filled with fish and animals,NOPE,the Asians have eaten them all and continue to fuel trades for rhino horn and ivory like the bolegged yellow bugeaters they are.
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Since you are so concerned about “trutg”, you might want to actually be a little bit familiar with some research on the topic.
Click to access Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
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There is only one race; the human race. There is variation of characteristics among those members, but these are minor attributes. Racism, however, is real.
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In that World Hunger map, it says that mainly women and children are going to bed hungry! What kind of Propaganda is that? Do you mean that men are eating most of the food? That is dumb generalisation. Come on, your self have never verified such claims, so stick to what we respect you for, the truth.
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Once again, the entire point was to construct a theory of differences in intelligence to demonstrate one can do so without that argument being racist. That’s it. That is the point I am making. Not that the argument is VALID, just that it’s possible.
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There is no tangible difference in intelligent between races, because intelligence is accumulative knowledge, IQ is not intelligence because intelligence is the accumulation of knowledge and the will to do so amongst people that choose to be of the same sect, with disregard of the timeline that is needed to gain such knowledge (remember the story of the tortoise and the hare).
It is only a difference of will, and therefore the will to organise people that are willing to grasp onto basic human survival abilities = The will to learn from even the most basic internet connections available (the days of limited knowledge is over), for sanitation, for the will to systematically pull in together whatever useful bits of knowledge from Algeria to DRC and down to South Africa, the will of the poor to organise under one system in order to survive and become intelligent in time.
Intelligence is not based on humans ability to solve problems singularly, it is based on groups of humans that overcome their singular inabilities by organising together.
Intelligence is never based on any race, it is based on the will power of any organised group.
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There are lots of ways to discuss the topic without being racist – you’ve just given another one. That was my whole point. Harvard is completely wrong to say this is not a subject that can be researched – just twitchy liberals more concerned about “offending” sensibilities than investigating theories that could be used to address disparities, if they are found to exist.
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Africans do not care about what Harvard scholars post, nor do we know, nor do we care about so called liberals, because you always talk about the problem but never you will talk about the solution.
What is the solution for poverty in Africa, or are you just bitching?
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Dude, if I knew the solution to poverty in Africa I wouldn’t be sitting in my basement writing a blog for amusement. I’d be working for the World Bank.
I would guess that it needs to be some combination of micro-credit lending on a massive scale and making sure that the profits earned from African resources remain in Africa. So if Chinese companies come in and set up businesses, they have to reinvest that money in Africa and not take the profits back to China. Then you need some mechanism to deal with corruption.
I don’t know how you do that. I have an MBA but I’m not very knowledgeable about the African economy, other than to know it’s in terrible shape. A few centuries of exploitation will do that.
Wish I could discuss this more in depth, but I just don’t know a lot about the subject.
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ok here is a summery,
Africa is a highly militarised continent, so micro or other lending will not work, secondly China, North and South America, Europe and the Middle East and others are in reality one big country and have always been, including Africa. Border lines and politics are for you and me and your readers to discuss endlessly with no useful outcome but only a PR effort, so you are wise not to have a TV at home, because all of the media, even the internet is just a big international PR effort, that exist outside of the logical part of your brain, which is suppressed by the media, or suppressed by lack of proper media, and due to the prevalence of the selfishness of shallow individualism and consumer culture.
We have bigger problems than IQ, and Intelligence has so little to do with IQ.
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Chinesse were also starving, but now are very smart.
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The problem I have with a lot of research into sex and race is that the consequences of being wrong are so damaging. If you are going to publish a report that says one race is on average intrinsically smarter than another, you had better be in a really good position to defend it. Like, law of physics-level defense. I’m just not seeing that level of rigor in the studies I’ve read.
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Interesting thoughts, but I think you are missing something. Races developed as an adaptation to the environment, skin pigment being one of them – but certainly not the only one. There are 2 important abilities to help a living entity to survive, brains and brawn and nature on average does not give a lot of both to the same creature.
Looking at the facts presented, the ranking of intelligence by race was 1 – Asian, 2 – Caucasian, 3 – Hispanic 4 – Black. First question would be why the difference, skin color? Hardly, but think of the environment that the races have come from. Asia has been developed far longer than any other areas and as a result they have had to rely on their brains more than their brawn for a far longer time. Europe followed several thousands of years later. Hispanics I believe come from several different races, Europeans, Mid Eastern (Moors) and South/Central American Natives. Relatively speaking Africa has only started to develop to the Asian degree in the last several hundreds of years, versus the thousands and thousands of years for Asia. How about this as a thought, the reason why the average African’s IQ is lower than the average Asian is Africans have had to rely on their brains and brawn whereas the Asians have had to rely mainly on their brain power. Is this racist? Nope, it’s what mother nature required in order for them to survive.
African-Americans make up 13.2% of the US Population (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html) so statically speaking they should also make up 13.2% of the NFL. They don’t, they make up 68% (http://heavy.com/sports/2014/09/what-percentage-of-nfl-players-are-black-white/). That’s a pretty substantial difference, so why is that? Is it considered racist if I say the average African-American man is stronger than the average Caucasian? Nope, so why the double standard?
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The author of this blog seems to be intelligent but also seems to have done no study into what origin of races and what are their common characteristics. Read Jason Diamond’s Pulitzer Prize winner, “Guns, Germs and Steel”. Although he has an agenda in writing the book, it contains all the information you need to draw your own conclusions about why certain races have dominated others.
To quickly explain, tens of thousands of years of environmental pressure drives a species or a race to evolve. If your ancient community existed in what is now Europe, you would have had to survive cold winters with scarce food and create shelter. You would need to divide responsibilities and work together In groups. The environment selects for people that are solve problems quickly and are cooperative. But if your community is near the equator like many African nations, you will have a constant and balmy climate. You will have no seasonal changes and your food sources will be consistent. If you aren’t that bright, well, you still will probably survive. You’re more likely to die from violence or being outcompeted by someone faster than you. The environment selects for those that are quicker and stronger.
Skin color is just an arbitrary part of a race but it does identify the race. Just as certain facial features do. These are shared traits because the members of this community interbreed. The further you go from the center of the community, the more varied the physical features appear (Japan to Korea to China to Nepal).
Now there is evidence that intelligence varies with race. It doesn’t mean that a black man can’t be a genious. It doesn’t mean that a guy from Sweden can’t be an amazing basketball player. And that is the point. Do the research. Know the facts. And treat people like they are capable of anything they put there mind to. Because they are.
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I’ll say it again: the point of this blog post was not to discuss an actual cause of racial differences in intelligence but to demonstrate that IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO SO WITHOUT BEING RACIST – I came up with a plausible theory in about ten minutes. I very clearly state that the theory is to demonstrate one can explore complicated topics without being racist. Thank your for your long, condescending comment, but next time, try reading before you write.
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Should test the IQs of Brad Angelina’s kids. I bet they are all average or above average.
It would be hard to get a large enough sample size, but testing the IQs of people raised by parents of a different race would help to elucidate the cause of this IQ disparity between the races. I believe it is entirely due to a variety of environmental factors. It is possible that genes contribute, but this certainly has not been demonstrated.
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This Woowoowoo guy totally missed the point of JARED (not Jason) Diamond’s book. Guns, Germs and Steel argues that the dominate civilizations today can trace their history to the fertile crescent where the climate, geography, plant and animals species were prime for domestication like nowhere else in the world. Most of the staple crops and livestock come from this small portion of the earth, and can only thrive in a very specific latitude/climate. The most complex civilizations all have some form of cultivable crop (wheat, barely, corn, rice, etc.) and domesticated undulate (sheep, pigs, goats, cows, lama, camels, horses etc.) to thank.
The Europeans who tried to settle in middle Africa failed miserably because their crops and livestock could not survive under these conditions. Turns out it’s not that fucking easy to survive in Africa, and yet you argue, “If you aren’t that bright, well, you still will probably survive.” Take Australia as another example. The reason civilization didn’t develop in Australia is because it is impossible to cultivate or domesticate native species Australian species of plants and animals. There are no viable grains here and thus crops and livestock had to be imported before civilization could arise. Try playing the game Civilization on an island all by yourself with only marsupials and gum trees as your available resources, see how well you do. Eurasian was rich in resources and populated by many different cultures. This lead to both cooperative trade and competition between civilizations, both of which spur innovation.
Hunter-gathers live incredibly difficult lives. It is not easy to survive off the land in harsh environments without strong tribal bonds and big brains. To argue that it was easier to survive in Africa than in other parts of the world is incredibly stupid. I tend to think IQ tests are incredibly flawed, because if it shows that us lazy blobs in the West are more intelligent that people who actually have to use their intelligence everyday in order to survive. There must be something wrong with our measure of intelligence. There is no selection pressure for intelligence in the West. In fact, evolutionary speaking intelligence in the West is extremely unfit. Smart people have far fewer offspring.
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My theory, is they are about 1000 years behind in evolution. as people move north and colder you need more skill to survive. Looking at the mounds and mounds of data out there, all other factors remaining equal. those from African dissent are still at the bottom in IQ’s. We have tried feeding them, affirmative action to equalize financial inequalities. They are still at nearly 85% IQ avg. That’s almost retarded. Only effective means to remove the evolutionary differentiation seems to be breed it out. And just like any of the other groups there are exceptions and Geniuses
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JudgyBitch, my apologies for my response being condescending or insulting. That was not my intent. You made this comment:
“I find the idea that an adaptive mechanism like skin tone, which is fairly simple in biological terms, could in any way be linked to something as multi-faceted and complex as intelligence ludicrous. And yes, I will jump on the bandwagon and call that notion racism. The old “black folks be dumb” song and dance.”
My post was in response to these types of comments. All physical features are shared by a group of people that interbreed. These groups are under similar environmental pressures that select for certain traits.
The result is that people with similar skin tones have similar genetic traits that were selected for by that environment. What we are left with is races and these races have generalized common characteristics. Skin tone is not the cause of intelligence but is linked to group characteristics.
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Slashragequit, the point of Jared’s (yes, not Jason) was a response to the question of why certain races dominate. The title of the book, “guns, germs, steel”, encapsulates his response to that question. Basically, he is saying environmental circumstances are responsible for Europeans dominating the New World instead of American Indians landing in Spain and dominating them.
I did not say living in Africa was easy. What I proposed was that the traits it selected for were different that the traits selected for in Europe. It seems that critical thinking and group collaboration was one of the traits that Europe selected for. Whatever the reasons (and Jared names many of them) and whatever the traits, it resulted in Europe being more successful. Europeans went on to explore and settle throughout the globe. They also murdered and raped and exploited virtually all of these other less-advanced communities. I’m not saying that they are a superior race. I’m saying they were better at certain things.
You refer to modern western culture as lazy with unfit intelligence. The future may reveal the fall of Caucasian nations as the dominant race. Perhaps this will then lead to the rise of Asian nations as dominant. The world may play out to show that blacks become dormant in the long run and after another 250 years, the globe is dominated by African-appearing peoples. Or we may all interbreed and the world is made of people all shades of brown.
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this thing about Europeans being smarter because of natural adaptation in harsher environmental conditions is pretty retarded. until a few generations back the overwhelming majority of Europeans were doing paesant work and were illiterate or semi-illitterate. the astounding intellectual achievements of few people were just extended to the rest of society and then mass scolarization and literacy came along. intelligence is the product of hard-work, commitment, discipline etc. not race. people who promote correlation between intelligence and race are people who aren’t comfortable around other cultures and they have the right to dislike other cultures. I’m myself not really fond of gypsies after being robbed twice by them but I’m not as irrational as to theorize that they are prone to steal or to low educational achievements because of their genes.
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Alex, I understand where you are coming from. Any responsible human doesn’t want to say that any race is inferior. It’s more powerful to say that hard-work, discipline and commitment are what makes a person intelligent. I think that is how every individual should behave in life. Treat people this way. Do not judge a person by the color of his skin.
But JudgyBitch created a conversation here saying even if a fact contradicts with our values, we should still talk about it.
So, let’s talk about the facts. Can you name an African nation that is not receiving international aid and support?
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if you think about it there’s very few skilled musicians from Africa and yet when african descendants came to America or Europe they thrived as musicians in a different setting. maybe is it because it’s matter of practice rather than genes? I don’t see why it should be different for anything else. Edison said genius is about 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration.
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Reblogged this on Dandilyonz-4-U.
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I really worder if the people they tested all lived in the same environment with everything being the same before the test. People are so quick to jump on subjective research like this to make themselves more than their fellow men. Unless the researcher controlled and equalized all the variables no race can substantially claim to be more intelligent than the other.
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Can you explore the reasons brhino why a nation as rich in physical resources as Africa now has to receive aid from the western world. Explore why all the riches that was in Africa was used to build the western world…from its human to its physical resources. Stop acting like things just happen in a vacuum.
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Haiti was once called the pearl of the Antilles because it was so rich but look at what is happening thereally now. And no blacks are not native to Haiti just as they’re not native to Jamaica, America or Europe. The only common factor here is exploitation by whites
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The funny thing about these IQ tests (so called) is that there has never been an agrred upon ubiquitous definition for intellegence. What these tests do measure is accumulated knowldege in mathematics and the hard sciences.
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Probably the best compendium I’ve seen on the biological state of racial ‘equality’ is a gripping underground book called “Erectus Walks Among Us” written by a Mr Richard D. Fuerle. If you haven’t seen it, look, as it is extremely worth reading.
The book gathers a great deal of information and records some very impressive phenomena, some with regards to bIacks and primates I will lay out here:
BIacks, like great apes and early humans, have some trends towards being ‘robust’, i.e have a thicker (cranial) bones and higher muscle mass.
BIacks exhibit various other cranial and spinal phenomenon that are seen in other extinct hominoids like Australopithecus or H. Erectus. E.g. a more present saggital keel, occipital bun, and of course (lack of) nasal ridge (e.g flat noses in bIacks and gorillas).
The forum magnum, “the opening through which the spinal chord exits the skull)” is more towards the rear in bIacks. “As quadrupedal animals mature it moves to the rear, but in humans, who are bipedal, it remains in its infant position (so the eyes are directed perpendicularly to the spine).”
BIacks strongly exhibit prognathism, (protrusion of the jaw) “a very primitive trait that is characteristic of apes” the degree of which falls between that of “Orang Utans and Whites.”
BIacks have larger teeth, as other primates and “the upper incisors are mounted in the jaw at an angle and project forward so that they meet the lower at an angle. ([..] Gorilla’s teeth meet at an even greater angle.) African teeth are more primitive than Eurasian teeth and there are many other differences in their structures.”
BIacks have a sacral index “(breadth of the sacrum (the five fused vertebrae that are connected to the pelvis) as percentage of its length) that is closest to Gorillas.” This measurement is important as it gives clues about locomotion (from knuckle walking to bidepal) in primates.
BIacks have longer limbs, closer to other great apes, and extinct hominoids.
BIacks have different brains, with lower volumes and less complex frontal lobes compared to Whites and Asians.
There’s a lot on genetics in “Erectus Walks Among Us,” one paragraph I would like to refer to is this: “Applying that bit of inter-species egalitarianism to humans and gorillas, and using genetic distance as the standard to classify populations, since the genetic distance between the two species of gorilla, Gorilla gorilla and G. beringei, 0.04%, is nearly six times less than the genetic distance between (sub- Saharan) Africans (Bantu) and Eurasians (English), either Africans and Eurasians should be classified as two different species or gorillas should be classified as a single species.”
yeah – different species…
James Watson, Nobel prize winner for his landmark work on DNA, caused a firestorm not long ago when he said the idea that “equal powers of reason were shared across racial groups was a delusion” […]
“Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”. He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.”
“Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so.””
My own experience is that bIacks unambiguously share physical traits with other primates, represent a significantly more primitive group in general, and are sufficiently distant to other human populations.
I believe bIacks exist in a cognitive state who’s context makes sense only around other bIacks. But because of its simplicity, it is strongly not in the interests of other non-bIacks and that non-blacks have to make significant allowances for black primitivism, often through self-deception.
I see inter-black interaction as based on different phenomena to Whites, and that is not a matter solely down to IQ, (but related to it) because IQ itself cannot directly measure primitivism per se, or other cognitive issues such as lack of restraint and self-assessment, or differences in how bIacks interpret data and arrive at conclusions. Nor how emotions like love weigh in the black psyche.
I don’t believe black populations in White countries can be reformed through education or social programmes. I believe these programmes are an unfair burden on others, who are effectively paying a vast price for bIacks’ primitivism. They are distorting and largely a waste of time. Evolution is what it is and some get left behind for purposes of survival of human genetics post cataclysm earth – but the reason is not for me to guess, only to measure and observe.
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So its malnutrition that’s the cause of low intelligence*. Hmmm…. From what my eyes tell me the black community is a little over nourished and should be over represented in your local Mensa chapters. But that’s not the case is it ?
As a white guy I accept my groups position in the IQ rankings.
It’s unfortunate but someone has to be last. An average IQ of 85 is a tough break but it is what it is.
* Asians and Indians are some of the most malnourished people on earth and have an average IQ of 115.
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Perhaps you are not familiar with the well advanced African Civilization of Egypt? Ancient Egypt existed thousandsss of years ago. Architecture, Philosophy, Mathematics, Science,( I already know you will deny that Egypt was African) Africa was home to one of the wealthiest empires.Google Mali. Africa was home to one of the first Universities IN THE WORLD called Timbuktu. Over 25,000 scholars from all over came to study Mathematics, Astronomy, Law, and Politics. Again this is before the slave trade,arab /european invasion, european colonialism (genocide) which ended less than a century ago. So Africa has had ancient civilizations just as long.
African Immigrants who come to America outperform every other race in America.
In terms of your NFL theory, it is because sports is an easy access. There is equality on the playing “field”. Where as the education system is still Jim Crow. Separate but not equal. I live in D.C. Went to public schools up until h.s. The best schools were in the white side of town(wealthy neighborhoods)..worst schools in the black (low income)… but in sports there is no “segregation”. If blacks had the same education as whites it would be a different story. The I.Q. test was made during slavery aka ( 300 year span of blacks not being allowed to read or write, malnourished, tortured, and beaten could definitely lower anybody’s IQ score). Since the 1500’s- 2015 blacks have never had equal access to education, so ofcourse their IQ would be lower than whites.
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Have you taken an IQ test? It isn’t the SAT. You won’t take an IQ test unless you set it up yourself. One of the types of questions is the tester will read a series of random numbers or words. And then ask you to repeat them by memory in sequence after hearing them once. This simply tests your ability to cognitively store information sequentially for a short period of time. This correlates well with real-life intelligence.
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Intelligence is absolutely not the accumulation of knowledge. It is someone’s ability to learn, per Merriam-Webster: the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations.
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variation of characteristics – you mean like intelligence? xD
just because the differences between humans are small relative to the differences between humans and other animals, doesn’t mean the differences are irrelevant
what’s the difference between genius humans and retard humans? really not very much, relatively speaking
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So its malnutrition that’s the cause of low intelligence*?
I’d say yes. Malnutrition, pollution, culture, religion, tradition, bad parenting, Epigenetics ( which is implies by polution, malnutrition, and the health of the parents). It would be logically dumb as fuck to think that outside factors wouldn’t constitute a negative impact on IQ.
Secondly, i am skeptical on the methodology of such IQ , and i’ll link to http://wicherts.socsci.uva.nl/wicherts2010AFRrejoinder.pdf and quote “In
light of all the available IQ data of over 37,000 African test-
takers, only the use of unsystematic methods to exclude the
vast majority of data could result in a mean IQ close to 70.” Which is good that they were able to say they had a fairly large sample set.
And “On
thebasis of soundmethods, the average IQremainsclose to 80.
Although this mean IQ is clearly lower than 100, we view it as
unsurprisinginlightofthepotentialoftheFlynnEffectinAfrica
(
Wicherts, Borsboom, & Dolan, 2010
) and common psycho-
metric problems associated with the use of western IQ tests
among Africans.”
FlynnEffect- The Flynn effect is the continued year-on-year rise of IQ test scores, an effect seen in most parts of the world, although at greatly varying rates. It is named after New Zealand political scientist James R. Flynn, its discoverer. The average rate of rise seems to be around three IQ points per decade. Attempted explanations have included improved nutrition, a trend towards smaller families, better education, greater environmental complexity, and heterosis (Mingroni, 2004).
From – http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Flynn_effect which, yes it’s a wikia, but i find to be very credible actually. I even did a paper assignment in my psych class (independent of looking up info from here) went back to this site after I was done and found they had the same exact info, so yeah, clearly credible- no revisionist).
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Intelligence_quotient
Anyway what i am getting at is the traditional IQ test only test one faucet of intelligence. It only test an aspect of ones ability in critical thinking in regards to a more specific style of problem solving based on deduction. A IQ test does not test on reasoning, a more “applied” or “realistic” version of critical thinking (as all of the questions on IQ test really are simulated and uniquely made for IQ test, not even something applied in real life). I mean the IQ test is pointless if you ask me, it’s a part of psychometrics that should be shot and burned and burried with the 20th century. But yeah, it doesn’t test knowledge, or memory per se.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121219133334.htm
http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273%2812%2900584-3 (free)
http://acn.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/8/784 (not free but abstracts good)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140516092048.htm (article in conjunction)
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/why-people-keep-misunderstanding-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/
I’ll also say as a person who has taken at least 5 in the last 2 years to try to understand it, and why it’s even relevant, my IQ appears to be in flux between 115-125. But once again, it’s bullshit it’s not testing what constitutes my total intelligence, just a contrived notion or standard developed in the 20th century.
Not to mention I don’t think many IQ test that most people if most people these days even run into a day when they actually do end up taking one – pertain any relevance to testing crystallized intelligence.
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Crystallized_intelligence and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_and_crystallized_intelligence.
Crystallize test is based on accumulated knowledge and applying it, along with LEARNED skills, and lastly long term memory, obviously.
Fluid is what i believe most IQ test are largely centered around, albeit not perfect testers of it.
What I am trying to get at here is that your arguments irrelevant, these links have segments that might change your mind, or force you to refortify you’re own arguments.
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I think my comment must have not been submitted properly.
Fuelre is an obscure (very, in fact the only indication of his existence on the internet is his book on some book sites and his named mentioned in a “whiteswillwinparty” website. His credentials are impossible to establish, and his book being based on pseudoscience is based on false and unpeer-reviewed assumptions. And just your whole paragraph screams ignorance both scientifically/emperically and socially. Watson on the other hand is a negative eugenicist( I’ll explain if you ever reply back), racist, and sexist. Not one of his claims on IQ has ever been studied even by himself. You would think he had the balls to try to prove his statements? No. But anyway, this is all just so lame lol. If you reply back, THEN i’ll go more in detail but someone had to call you out.
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Don’t be stressed out by the bigot masses. I used to over youtube. Now i say fuck that, i’ve began making videos and if they want to put their ideas and balls on the spot let them make a video response and either win or loose and get neutered, if not they can talk all they want.
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Phenotypically yeah, maybe some genotypical differences. But for the most part yeah. I think like Sotashi on the bottum said, Epigenetics, post natal environments, parenting, culture (which actually includes religion and tradition + values) which makes up the social environment too , contribute to intelligence.
Funny thing is for these racist eugenics they just like to flaunt that some races are stupider like a 20th -minus century jackass, but we are on the cusps of gene therapy and biotechnological revolution. Shouldn’t they then be altruistically screaming to fix people genetically? I mean granted in the next 100 to 200 years these will be problems (genetics) we could most likely actually begin fixing.
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There is a flaw in your reasoning in the article.
“1. The idea that intelligence is linked to a biological mechanism to protect people from the harmful effects of too much sunshine is just stupid. Just point blank bag of hammers stupid.”
They do not have to be linked. Dark skin is a direct effect of the environment they evolved in, and their intelligence could be a direct effect of that environment also. Intelligence and skin colour would then be an effect of evolution in that environment, rather than being linked biologically.
For example, if one population evolves in an area with distinct and hugely differing seasons, so that forward planning is essential for survival then those with higher intelligence would survive to breed more, and that population over time would become more intelligent.
If a population evolved in an area where the seasons did not require much forward planning for survival, they would not benefit from this evolutionary pressure toward greater intelligence.
The idea that the only difference between races is skin colour, is a very odd one, and not one that is upheld by science.
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Wow, these results really hurt your ego for some reason. Asians have invented loads of things over the centuries and have not just stolen from white people. If you were educated you would know this. Google asian inventions to find our more and maybe you’ll stop being such a jealous prick too!
Tons of inventions here:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
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I happen to know a few people who work in science and research including places like the Cern. pretty much all of them told me they believe being professionally or accademically successful is a matter of commitment and practice. so long for IQ being something inherited. those who claim it’s inherited are probably trying to rationalize their disliking of other races. at the end of the day it’s all about looks for them. for example White nationalists think asians are “genetically smarter” and yet they don’t want to mix with them.
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“I find the idea that an adaptive mechanism like skin tone, which is fairly simple in biological terms, could in any way be linked to something as multi-faceted and complex as intelligence ludicrous.”
Bit of a Strawman, that one. I don’t think that’s ever been an argument put forward by anyone seriously theorising that differences in IQ between races are due to the darkness of skin (any more than the shape of one’s nose or the narrowness of one’s eyes). Can you point to any study – just one – which claims a direct (as opposed to coincidental) relationship between skin colour and intelligence? I mean, come on, you acknowledged it yourself: skin colour is merely one indicator of race. There are many other physical differences too. Some people theorise that racial differences might extend to the brain. Some say there is absolutely no difference, on average, between brains of different races. Some theorise there are differences but that no one race’s intelligence is superior overall to another. But these are serious scientific arguments, none of which state anything about the amount of melanin in a person’s skin (or the shape of their nose, or how narrow their eyes are, or any other silly non-argument). So I say again, regardless of where one stands in the debate: I don’t mean to be rude, but your argument is a Strawman.
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Alex, your comment is honest, well-intentioned and appreciated. But it has no place here. We are talking about what statistics and scientific reserach shows. What a few people who work in a research building have said is even less meaningful than “Google science”.
It is really as simple as looking at the how the races are faring today. For example, both Germany and Japan were soundly defeated in WWII. They were both punished greatly for their aggression. Their independence and miliarty were taken away, they were forced to pay retribution and their government dominated by foreign interests. The Jews did not even have a nation and were slaughtered by the millions during WWII. Which of these peoples/nations are suffering today? Japan became a technological and economic superpower, the Jews are the most prosperous non-oil producing nation in the Middle East and Germany is thriving.
Yet, look at every African nation, including Haiti. Is there one that is thriving? Algeria is doing pretty well but that is Northern Africa, which is populated by Muslim Arabs. How are the black African nations doing? Is there one that is not supported by international aid? Blame for trouble in Africa is blamed on many different things: colonialism, explotation, etc. But every race and every fledgling nation has experienced huge set-backs and been abused by outside forces. Why is it that black nations never seem to work well and prosper, even if they have tremendous national resources (minerals, oil, etc.)?
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I know a few 2nd generation black african people living in my native country (Switzerland) and in Italy (where I moved to) and they look normal to me. they speak fluently the language with no accent whatsoever and they show a decent intelligence. and if you look at the crime stats for those two countries you can see that black africans aren’t the major cause of it.
I suspect you are influenced by your personal experience with ghetto black americans who come indeed from a disfunctional culture.
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And every time if you know how and where to look you will find out what the tough white American rap listening in a pickup suburban daddy’s little brat boy is up to – and mama paid for it all maybe not the pot and steroids.
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Can you say this again but use complete sentences with a noun, a verb and a point?
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I do not understand why there are so many stupid responses to this study. It has nothing to do with skin color, and everything to do with genetics. You can have light skinned african american or a tanner caucasian. They still belong to there respective races, the skin color has no factoring into this study. To really understand this study and its relevance, you must have a general understanding of Darwinian Theory. Use of this study could help to breed more intelligent humans.
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A good example is African albinos. African by race but white skin due to a lack of pigment. This does not affect intelligence.
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“think humans prefer lighter skin and hair and eye colors because those tend to be the result of recessive genes. A man with darker tones who has a child with a woman of lighter tones will almost always see his genes expressed in the children. Dark tones tend to be dominant. The preference for lighter skin is a natural paternity test”.
Interesting. Even more impressive: you’re ability to come up with an idea of your own.
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IF YOUR REASONING WERE TRUE ESKIMO’S WOULD BE WHITE………LOL
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The “Asians” with high IQ built some of the richest and most industrailized countries in the world right now. They are not malnourished.
The asian countries with malnourished people (mainly Southeast Asia) like Indonesia, Philippines, also have low IQ.
By the way, Asia is four times the size of Europe. Look it up. The term “Asian” does not indicate any one race. It’s only in the USA that the term Asian is meant to indicate East Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean). There are at least five broad racial groups living in the continent of Asia, and each has nothing to do with the other genetically other than that they’re all humans. 2/3 of Russia is in Asia.
Did you know that Southeast Asians are a group of people called Austronesians or also the malay race? Go read up on the malay race. They are gebetically distinct from oriental East Asians and they are the close cousins of aboriginals of Australia and Negritos in isles of indonesia and Malaysia.
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The original PhD is just straightforwardly poor scholarship. It is shocking that Harvard passed it. http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/journal/QJE2012.pdf
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So your argument is that there IS a difference between races in intelligence and athletic ability, but that if black people had equal access to education, their IQ scores would be better than every other race?
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I think most of peoples comments are very ignorant and probably mainly by whites, I’m black not only that but half east African and half Jamaican, I surpassed all the white student in my grade and came out with all A* and one B not only that but all my family have gone to university, my father is a physicist and my mother is a Gastroenterology, the idea that black people have lower intelligence is laughable especially when compared to white counterparts who have learnt all they know from Africans and the middle eastern culture were maths was created (middle east) not saying black people are more/ less intelligent, intelligence is learned and also corresponds with different factors, i.e.. the subject matter, personally I am very good at English, French, Zulu, patwa and Japanese a lot of others are not does that make me smarter them most people NO, I’m not very good at Geography but I’m particular good at Science especially physics, don’t judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree – when it comes to actual Africans how can you test them on a European test, especially and English test when that isn’t their first language when you hear a German speak English who isn’t good at it, they don’t sound very intelligent do they but you probably can’t speak German so you look intelligent to them, Intelligence is so expansive and can’t be made so simple – and if people are still not convinced search black inventors and scientist and you’ll be surprised with how much black people have helped and created things for this world other then music and art.
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And once again, Ariya, the point of this post was simply to demonstrate that EVEN IF there are measurable IQ differences, there are lots of explanations that are not racist.
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1. The idea that intelligence is linked to a biological mechanism to protect people from the harmful effects of too much sunshine is just stupid. Just point blank bag of hammers stupid.
2. The typical liberal response to “facts” they don’t like is to deny
These two statements are contradictory. Nobody is saying that intelligence is inversely linked to melatonin; they are saying that it may be linked to race, which also happens to be linked to melatonin.
African albinos and whites are different; Indians and half-black Americans are different, etc.
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Folks, how many times it has to be scientifically proven that there are human races and these have particular abilities and disabilities, IQ means cognitive intelligence, there are other “flavors” of intelligence and Africans in Africa have an average of 70-80 IQ score. Should we keep denying this? should we keep with cognitive intelligence as a taboo?
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“I haven’t read Richwine’s dissertation, nor do I plan to, so I don’t know…”
“It looks to me like Richwine is a gigantic racist asshole”
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That a boy Andrew, way to stay uniformed, rather than to educate and celebrate the diversity and complexity that makes this world worth living in.
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Yeah but Eskimos didn’t migrate to North America until the land bridge formed during the last ice age, about 15,000 years ago (they’re originally of Mongolian stock). That’s a short period in evolutionary terms. Might not be enough time for their complexion to change.
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