Attention black men: you are not allowed to sing songs about rape. White men, feel free to carry on. La dee da da rapey rape la la la!

7 Jun

Once upon a time there was a man who wrote songs about raping women.  The songs were violent and brutal and utterly magnificent, and he was lauded around the globe for his musical achievement. His rape songs continue to be performed to this day.

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The woman who gets raped realizes that she played a role in her own victimization, considers herself a proper whore and then kills herself.

The musician is Benjamin Britten.  The songs are woven together in an opera called The Rape of Lucretia.

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http://houston.culturemap.com/news/entertainment/02-05-12-houston-grand-opera-rape-of-lucretia-review/

And Britten isn’t the only one!  A guy named Wolfgang Mozart wrote a bunch of songs about raping women, too.  He called his pieces Don Giovanni, and when the English National Opera decided to put the rape scenes right on stage, they caused quite a stir.  And managed to attract a younger audience, too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333833/New-Don-Giovanni-production-shows-gang-rape-men-wearing-Jesus-Christ-t-shirts.html

don giovanni

No wait!  It gets better!  There’s this musical called Grease and a bunch of white guys wonder if the girl put up a fight!

danny

Girls: Tell me more, tell me more, was it love at first sight?

Guys: Tell me more, tell me more, did she put up a fight?

This other white guy named George Michael sings about raping a really young girl, and it’s so romantic!

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I will be your father figure

Put your tiny hand in mine

I will be your preacher teacher

(Be your daddy)

Anything you have in mind

I will be your father figure

I have had enough of crime

I will be the one who loves you –

Until the end of time

That’s all I wanted

But sometimes love can be mistaken

For a crime

Another white guy called Johnny Cash goes one better, and doesn’t just rape the girl, he kills her, too.

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So if your woman’s devilish

You can let her run,

Or you can bring her down and

Do her like Delia got done.

Delia got shot, by the way.

A whole bunch of white guys who call themselves From First to Last are down with rape, too.

From+First+To+Last

Tonight I’ll make my way into your house

I must; I’m lusting for your body

Skin looks tight, think I just might have

To take a bite, but I know one will turn

To three or four or more, my little whore

And now it’s a black man’s turn to get in on the fun.  He calls himself Tyler the Creator.

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Met you at my school, depart at my house

Ended at your panties, started at your blouse

Pushed you down stairs, I took a nap up on the couch

If you wanted a date, don’t come

Now you gotta make it easy for me don’t run

You call this shit kids, well I call these kids cum

And you call this shit rape but I think that rape’s fun

Wait, now it’s about eight something

It’s late and you stuck in my basement

Come downstairs with nothing but a shoe string

Yeah bitch this date’s done

Benjamin, Wolfgang, John, Johnny, George and all the rest of you white boys, step aside now.  We’re going to town on Tyler’s ass for singing about rape while being black.

And by “we”, I mean Talitha Stone.

talitha stone

Such a pretty white woman.  I wonder if she likes George Michael.  She looks like a George Michael fan.  One things, for certain:  she doesn’t like Tyler.

Talitha tried to get Tyler thrown out of Australia, where he was booked to play a sold out concert, because he’s singing about rape.  More accurately, he’s rapping about rape.  And being all black at the same time!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/07/tyler-the-creator-rape-abuse

The Australian grassroots movement of which I am a part of, Collective Shout, is currently in a dispute with music artist Tyler the Creator. We believe his lyrics – which often mention raping women – are inciting hatred, and we have been calling on immigration minister Brendan O’Connor to revoke his visa.

I hope when you’re done with Tyler, you plan on marching your little white ass down to the Sydney Opera house where they sing about rape, too.

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Interestingly enough, the Sydney Opera house is currently running a production of Phaedra – she of the false rape claim that results in the death of the man she has accused.

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The original myth goes like this:

Phaedra’s nurse told Hippolytus of her love, and he swore he would not reveal her as a source of information. In revenge, Phaedra wrote Theseus a letter that claimed Hippolytus raped her. Theseus believed her and cursed Hippolytus with one of the three curses he had received from Poseidon. As a result, Hippolytus’ horses were frightened by a sea monster and dragged their rider to his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaedra_(mythology)

The Sydney Opera spins it like this:

Phèdre is married to the notorious demigod, King Theseus, who is thought to be lost in the underworld. When rumours of his death reach her, forbidden desire erupts in a confession of devastating love for her stepson. But when the King unexpectedly returns, their family is torn apart by wild accusations, chilling curses and violent deaths.

http://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/whatson/bsc_phedre_2013.aspx

Hmmm. Interesting.

Okay, back to Talitha and Tyler.  Talitha decided to try and get Tyler’s visa pulled and he let his 1.7 million followers on Twitter know what she was up to.

Uh-oh.

Tyler’s fans were none too pleased, and Talitha came in for some abuse.

twitter

That made Talitha feel bad, and she went to the police to complain and they told her get the hell over herself.

I found out that under the Commonwealth Criminal Code, it is illegal to use a carriage service to make a threat. Colleagues urged me to go police. I went to my local police station, where I was advised that they could do nothing about it – “blocking them” was enough. I was then handed a few “cyber safe” brochures, and sent on my way.

Talitha is in despair!

What is the point of a national debate on misogyny if we let the Tyler the Creators of the world spew hate speech against women – and are given a welcome mat to do it?

Good question, Talitha!  What IS the point of a national debate on misogyny?  From where I stand, it looks like you are using “misogyny” to target one specific kind of person.  One specific art form.  One specific group of fans.

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Packed with explosive energy and with an all-star cast, GREASE returns to Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane in a live production that’s truly ELECTRIFYIN’!

So get ready to dust off your leather jackets, pull on your bobby-socks and take a trip to a simpler time as “bad boy” Danny and “the girl next door” Sandy fall in love all over again.

http://greaseistheword.com.au/

Hey Talitha!  Why don’t you get on your Twitter feed and start complaining about this?

grease 2

Did she put up a fight?

Did she put up a fight?

Are you kidding me?  That’s not funny.  Rape songs are never funny!

Maybe if the cast was black and the music was rap, you would give a shit?

all black

Just a thought.

Lots of love,

JB

40 Responses to “Attention black men: you are not allowed to sing songs about rape. White men, feel free to carry on. La dee da da rapey rape la la la!”

  1. Keanu June 7, 2013 at 15:43 #

    “Blow” is a character piece about Ted Bundy anyway. Tyler did exactly what any sane person who had just been almost kicked out of a country would do- call the person who tried to kick him out a cunt. Totally justified.

    Artists MUST be allowed to explore the darker sides of human nature. Best artistic examination of rape I’ve ever heard, Immortal Technique-Dance with the Devil:

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  2. Feminist Hater June 7, 2013 at 16:07 #

    In other news, your pres is listening…

    Don’t make him upset.

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  3. LostSailor June 7, 2013 at 16:15 #

    What IS the point of a national debate on misogyny?

    Indeed. There is no point. Misogyny doesn’t exist, at least not as a cultural phenomenon that needs any national debate.

    I hate it when anyone twists language beyond recognition, but especially in this case. “Misogyny” has a very simple definition: the hatred of women. For a long time feminists insisted–and still insist, though with less real conviction–that they didn’t hate men. They still insist that the word “misandry” isn’t a real word and doesn’t exist as a cultural phenomenon (though the OED traces it back to the late 19th century).

    But they turn around and insist that misogyny is both real and rampant in all societies. Really? There is widespread actual hatred of women sweeping the globe and embedded in all social institutions. Hmmm. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means… Just what would that look like if it were true? Special benefits for single mothers? Special courts where a man’s assets can be given to a women without real due process? Special laws that provide unequal benefits to women in education and scholastic sports? Uh, I think I have a message for the Powers That Be:

    Hatred: U R doin’ it wrong.

    So, when a feminist uses the word “misogyny,” she can’t be using it for it’s actual definition. Instead, it’s become a catch-all phrase tossed around with wild abandon just as with casual toss-off charges of being “raciss”. The actual meaning of the word when used by feminists is

    Misogyny: not agreeing with or caving into the demand of feminists or feminism.

    Because if you don’t agree with them you must obviously hate them.

    I’d like to promote a new word to be used when confronting feminists:

    Misology: the hatred of argument, reason, and enlightenment

    It’s in my Webster’s Collegiate (10th edition), right under misogyny. I can’t fathom how the feminists missed it.

    So the next time you see a feminist casually toss around the “M-word,” feel free to accuse her of being a rank misologist. At the least, it will confuse her and maybe get her to shut up for a few minutes…

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  4. Spaniard June 7, 2013 at 16:20 #

    You are very funny, JB.

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  5. judgybitch June 7, 2013 at 16:22 #

    I’ve always been partial to “catachresis” myself.

    Broadly speaking, it means using words wrong, but more specifically, it means using a word in a way that completely dilutes its power.

    Stoning women in Afghanistan is misogyny.

    Rap lyrics are misogyny.

    It’s like using the word “revolution” to describe a complete overthrow of a society’s government, and then using it to describe a new kind of maxi pad.

    A revolution in absorbency!

    The words loses it’s meaning when applied superfluously.

    How’s that for some egghead verbiage?

    🙂

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  6. Aurini June 7, 2013 at 17:33 #

    The difference is that situations like this aren’t a regular occurrence amongst whites: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

    Those examples above are about pathos; with black musicians it’s about psychopathy.

    Fifty cents sings about murdering women and children on the street in an upbeat manner; aside from The Doors exploring mental breakdown and PTSD, I can’t think of any songs by white musicians extolling the virtues of child murder.

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  7. judgybitch June 7, 2013 at 17:43 #

    I Kill Children

    The Dead Kennedy’s

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  8. Mike June 7, 2013 at 17:48 #

    Not entirely-on-point comment: I’ve always thought you can get away with anything as long as you do it artfully enough. Rape can be funny or beautiful, it’s an artist’s job to make it so.

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  9. Mike June 7, 2013 at 17:50 #

    Last Caress – Misfits “I’ve got something to say, I raped your mother today.” Polly – Nirvana “Polly wants a cracker, maybe she would like more food, asked me to untie her, a chase would be nice for a few.” The list goes on.

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  10. semioldguy June 7, 2013 at 17:54 #

    Eminem has a couple, and if I took more than a couple seconds to think about it I’m sure I could think of others that do as well. I really don’t think skin color is the key factor for artists singing about this.

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  11. Feminist Hater June 7, 2013 at 18:11 #

    Let her first come to Africa and then she might be able to tell the difference between an artistic musical or opera and a rap “artist’s” rendition of violent crime…

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  12. Feminist Hater June 7, 2013 at 18:20 #

    When it comes to Eminem, skin colour really is the only difference.

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  13. princesspixiepointless June 7, 2013 at 18:49 #

    Man, I heart those guys.

    Go to the police!

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  14. scatmaster June 7, 2013 at 18:50 #

    Geesh JB: I didn’t realize that “Did she put up a fight” was a lyric in a rape song.
    Thanks for ruining the late 70’s for me. Not. ONJ still rocks even at 66.

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  15. judgybitch June 7, 2013 at 18:52 #

    And the slut shaming!

    Rizzo, you whore!

    That scene when the rumor travels faster than Rizzo is absolutely gold!

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  16. LS June 7, 2013 at 20:10 #

    There are worse things she could do…

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  17. judgybitch June 7, 2013 at 20:16 #

    *applause*

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  18. Days of Broken Arrows June 7, 2013 at 20:50 #

    “What IS the point of a national debate on misogyny?”

    It’s that since women are now either equal or ahead of men in schools and workplaces, feminists need to invent crises to keep the government money rolling into their academic departments. So we’re seeing them now get into more and more arcane areas: trying to tell comedians what they can and can’t say (Lindy West) and making like the PMRC and trying to ban musicians because of lyrics. As the sexual assault rate has plummeted, they’ve also expanded the definition of rape, because that suits their needs better.

    In order for feminists to stay relevant, life needs to be an ongoing crisis. Today it’s rappers and comedians. Who know what it will be tomorrow?

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  19. judgybitch June 7, 2013 at 20:54 #

    Follow the money.

    Yep

    That usually explains it.

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  20. LostSailor June 7, 2013 at 21:12 #

    Feminism is a movement, and movements never just stop and go away. Money is a part of it. Which is why they have to manufacture new and and more extreme crises. Which was also my point about the recent and rampant misuse of the the word “misogyny.” Originally, the goal was “equal rights” but that’s been largely achieved in most areas and they’re reduced to nibbling at the edges of those issues. So, they need to ramp up the rhetoric. Hence, it’s not just that men didn’t allow women equal rights, now it’s active hatred of all women and a “rape culture” where all men are potential rapists that can snap any second now and go on a raping spree.

    Can anyone ever imagine a time where feminists like Lindsay West or the Jezzies wake up one morning, look around, and say, “Hey, you know, feminism has reached all of our goal. Time to dismantle NOW, and go home, Ladies!”

    Nah, didn’t think so.

    Oh, and DoBA? Next they’ll be coming for manosphere bloggers and commenters…

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  21. Goober June 7, 2013 at 21:16 #

    Disgusting bullshit from both sides. I can’t decide which is worse:

    A man rapping about the kidnapping, imprisonment, rape, and murder of a woman for his own pleasure,

    Or…
    A thuggish, censorious, terminally butthurt twatwaffle with a sprinkling of good old fashioned racism going to the police to get him to shut up.

    Watching these two go to war with each other is like watching a bunch of nazis and a bunch of Communists going to war – you don’t want either side to lose because it would mean one side won. Me??? I’m rooting for winter…
    A
    A thuggish, butthurt, pseudo -racist twatwaffle

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  22. MaMu1977 June 7, 2013 at 22:09 #

    She’s just a bandwagon crier. Remember, Tyler the Creator is the young man who created the last “misogyny-laden” public scandal. It was a video about a talking, possibly self-employed goat who gets intoxicated by drinking Mountain Dew. The “misogyny” part of the scandal involved the assault of a woman

    At. The. Hooves. Of. A. Magic. Talking. Goat. Who. Wears. A. Suit. And. Drives. A. Car.

    And, lest we forget: the rapiest movie of all time (non-porn), according to feminists, is Revenge of the Nerds. Yes, ROTN.

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  23. Gem (@Gemmarees) June 7, 2013 at 22:45 #

    This, exactly. There’s nothing as arresting as an artist being able to find and display beauty in something that’s considered inherently evil or ugly, and then juxtapose the two sides.

    Making that illegal would be a travesty.

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  24. Kylie June 8, 2013 at 00:59 #

    “I went to my local police station, where I was advised that they could do nothing about it – ‘blocking them’ was enough. I was then handed a few ‘cyber safe’ brochures, and sent on my way.”

    Hahaha, what did she think would happen? The police would stroke their chins and say, “Hm, yes, under the He-Said-Something-I-Didn’t-Like Clause, we’re obligated to track down each of these men and charge them for use of the word ‘bitch'”?

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  25. Ajax Murgatroyd June 8, 2013 at 02:17 #

    Another rape song. This one is by the Toadies and it’s called, coincidentally, “Tyler.”

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  26. Days of Broken Arrows June 8, 2013 at 03:54 #

    Next they’ll come for the Grateful Dead because of those lyrics to “Money Money:”

    “Lord made a lady Out of Adam’s rib/Next thing you know You got women’s lib
    Lovely to look upon Heaven to touch/It’s a real shame they got to cost so much.”

    If you’re a Deadhead, you’re not the only one in these parts, Lost Sailor. And it says something that this is where people from that part of the culture are ending up today. The Boomer culture that give birth to the Dead was supposedly all for freedom, but ended up being more oppressive than the Greatest Generation they rebelled against.

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  27. Days of Broken Arrows June 8, 2013 at 04:00 #

    I can decide which is worse: those who would oppress free speech, not those who exercise it to the nth degree.

    The songs about kidnapping, imprisonment and rape aren’t just songs about those topics. They’re commentary on them as well that point out unpleasant things to us we’d rather not see. Artists from Shakespeare to Zappa to Lennon all pushed barriers.

    Do I listen to gangata rap? No, not since the early 1990s. But as repellent as it is, it doesn’t make me as viscerally angry as those who try to stifle it do. Because censors are never satisfied. Get rid of gansta rap and metal will be next, followed by “politically incorrect” oldies (feminists have retroactively declared the holiday oldie “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” a “rape song” — look it up). Once these types smell blood, they go for the kill. Which is why I say to them: “Eff you: I may hate gangsta rap but I hate censorship more.” Which is why I was glad to see this blog post.

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  28. Kylie June 8, 2013 at 05:14 #

    But, while it’s hilarious that Talitha believes Twitter posts call for legal action and that rap lyrics call for a boycott, I wouldn’t knock her with the “racist” label. There have been so many feminists in the blog world that call “sexism” whenever a criticized person happens to be female that I can’t ignore the hastiness in calling “racism” when a criticized artist happens to be black. If this girl were to whine about Tyler, the Creator and then Dr. Dre and then the Notorious B.I.G. while ignoring Eminem, the Misfits, and Nirvana, then I’d pick up on the pattern and call it “racism”. But only if she had a pattern.

    I also disagree with some examples of “white guy rape songs” offered here, which I don’t view as direct parallels to Tyler’s lyrics. Don Giovanni is essentially a cautionary tale about the traumas inflicted by a degenerate, and part of its focus is on the psychological damage to Elvira and Anna caused by rape. The Rape of Lucretia also focuses on the victim’s severe mental wounds. Tyler’s lyrics, on the other hand, refrain from empathizing with the victim. His rap is all about acting on the desires of one person: himself, or the character he’s impersonating. It’s not about exploring the psychological consequences of a trauma, it’s about the depraved pleasure gleaned from inflicting the trauma. Talitha’s point isn’t necessarily that rape in art = bad, but rather that the cavalier attitude toward rape is harmful. (Of course, her protest against this attitude then begs the question: What about murder in rap lyrics? Could it be that she doesn’t care as much about it, since most victims of rape are female while most victims of murder are male?)

    Don’t get me wrong. Personally, I love the darkness and graphic imagery of dirty, fun rap and have no problem with rape-y rap. I just think that equating Don Giovanni to Tyler’s lyrics is off-the-mark, and that pointing to racism is hasty. It’s not a clear issue of black vs. white. Rather than an example of hypocrisy, it’s an example of how feminists want to control free expression.

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  29. danny June 8, 2013 at 08:04 #

    Someone should toss this little butthurt snowflake into the pit at a Mayhem show!

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  30. judgybitch June 8, 2013 at 11:19 #

    Wait!

    Are you saying I’m being ….

    What is this blog called again? Obviously waaaaay too nuanced a title.

    😛

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  31. Middle-Aged Male June 8, 2013 at 13:28 #

    There is nothing beautiful about it.

    People who think so are subscribing to The Romantics (Shelley, etc.) who saw beauty in,the,dirt of the human condition.

    Watching a corpse rot has no beauty in it no matter how artfully you arrange the words.

    Love your site JB, but you are wrong here. Tyler the Creator is not an artist either, try Titian or Gainsborough

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  32. LostSailor June 8, 2013 at 14:03 #

    Ha. Very perceptive DoBA.

    I would have gone with “We can share the women, we can share the wine”, but perhaps too rape-y.

    The thing about the Dead is that they were pretty a-political. And contrary to the popular perception and media presentation, Deadheads ran the gamut from the typical hippie peace/love/drugs type to fairly conservative. From Patrick Leahy to Ann Coulter.

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  33. Nicky June 8, 2013 at 17:49 #

    Saw this the other day, and it’s sorta, loosely relevant

    http://www.upworthy.com/know-anyone-that-thinks-racial-profiling-is-exaggerated-watch-this-and-tell-me-when-your-jaw-drops-2?c=ufb1

    Basically- it shows that people react differently to other people based on their race and gender. SHOCK! But also – the reaction to it is ‘look how terrible it is that we tend to favour the white guy – most people are still unconsciously racist’, and NO ONE has pointed out that we are ALSO unconsciously misandrist! Oh, hang on – it’s benevolent sexism,right? I I guess it must be benevolent racism, too.

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  34. James Versluis June 8, 2013 at 18:17 #

    I think it’s pretty obvious what’s going on: she didn’t make any big attack on blackness. I read her stuff: it didn’t seem to be racially tinged. You seem to have gotten your panties in a bunch over an imaginary race row and started talking about misogyny, kind of ignoring your major premise.

    I don’t get it: unless she makes some big show of going after white guys in her representation (even thought it’s just about one dude, not a race of them), she’s racist? For a girl who seems so aware sometimes, you sure do sound like the people you’re against when it comes to race matters.

    And as far as screaming about white rapists everywhere: there are these places in America where I live, and they don’t exist to do anything except deplore white and totally male rapists and oppressors. It’s called university, and believe me girlie, they go WAY out of their way to find white man and boy racists: in fact, it’s the university opinion that Shakespeare was evil and a white man who wrote about rape positively.

    They have these universities in nearly all the cities, and believe you me, they are ALL obsessed with white males as rapists, rape in songs, rape in literature, white men as the potential rapist, everything. And they write about it every day of every year.

    Seriously. If you’re looking for someone who pays attention to white male rapists, go to a university. It’s basically one long seminar on how all the white males are rapists. And black men are not rapists unless white men make them rape. They think that, too.

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  35. Mike Hunter June 8, 2013 at 19:10 #

    Wow that was a damn good song!

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  36. Bellion June 10, 2013 at 09:43 #

    The point wasn’t who rapes vs who doesn’t rape. The point was who’s art (although that would be debatable) gets targeted while others get a free pass.

    I get what you’re saying about university though, and completely agree with you. At universities some are bent on dragging whoever’s at the top (in this case, white men) down because they’re “oppressors”

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  37. Antonymous June 10, 2013 at 19:04 #

    for that Grease line was made even whole parody video:

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  38. Larsaan June 11, 2013 at 02:25 #

    If I were to give Grease the benefit of a whole lot of doubt, I could see how “Did she put up a fight?” might mean a more metaphorical fight. Like she said “Oh, we shouldn’t!” and then he woos her pants off.

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  39. Jack Strawb January 6, 2015 at 20:53 #

    “Watching a corpse rot has no beauty in it no matter how artfully you arrange the words.”

    Nonsense. The processes of decay have a rich history in art.

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