Every time I write a piece about rape, I think to myself, “okay, that’s it. I am done with this subject”. But then I run across stories like this one and I just can’t…..
http://www.vice.com/read/i-got-raped-then-my-problems-started
Here is the story, quick and dirty: Gina Tron goes to a bar to meet some friends and she gets drunk. Some guy she doesn’t know is there, but she assumes he is with the group. He’s lean and swarthy and has a “disconnected” look in his eyes. He makes her nervous. But then he offers her cocaine, and hey, cocaine! She sets aside all her misgivings, and gets in the car with a guy she doesn’t know, who makes her nervous and who is “disconnected”.
Because cocaine?
What the fuck, Gina. Seriously. What the fuck are you doing? Gina ends up locked in the car with this guy, they drive to his apartment, she goes with him and whatever happened next, Gina considers it rape. She is transfixed by the 666 tattoo across his abdomen, and based on how Gina describes the guy, it’s a complete and utter shock that he would have such a thing, right?
He said, she said. Okay. Whatever Gina.
You know what kills me about this case? That three other women report the same thing happened to them. THREE! There are at least three women who are so unconcerned with their own safety and well-being, they put themselves in the exact same situation.
Parts of Gina’s story are bizarre, too. She went to the guy’s apartment. She knows where he lives. Why does she need to spend hours looking at mug-shots then? So she can ID him and then find out where he lives? She KNOWS where he lives. It makes no sense.
And she claims the defence attorney had incriminating character evidence against her at the Grand Jury trial, except Grand Jury trials don’t have defence attorneys and there is no cross-examination of any kind. The Grand Jury just considers whether there is the tiniest shred of evidence to have the case proceed to trial. In Gina’s case, the answer was nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment
The other two women who were allegedly assaulted by the same man declined to take part in the trial.
Let’s just assume for one moment that Gina is telling the god’s honest truth and the story played out exactly as she said. The commenters at Vice, and at Slate, where Amanda Marcotte (big surprise!) picked up the story use the same analogy over and over again:
Someone’s new car gets stolen, and the police respond that having a nice, new car is just asking for someone to steal it. A man walks down the street in an expensive suit. When he gets robbed, the officer tells him that his outfit was just a come-on for thieves, and, besides, he had been seen giving money away, and how did anyone know for sure that he didn’t give his money to the thief and just change his mind about it later.
Dea Henrich
If a man is walking down the street in a $10000 suit wearing a Rolex watch and someone jumps him and robs him, no one ever says it was not robbery because he “wanted it.” They never say it was HIS fault for dressing in a way to indicate he had wealth worth taking. If he is counting hundred dollar bills while walking down the street and gets mugged they don’t say it was not a crime because his actions led the attacker on. Nor do they dredge up things like, he likes to play poker therefore he has a history of willingly losing money. If someone steals a car they don’t declare it’s not stolen because the owner did not defend himself and fight back hard enough.
Ethan Wallace
Really? Let’s take a look at that, shall we?
Here’s a story from Boston University that is roughly parallel.
A research assistant from the BU Medical Campus was stabbed, punched, and robbed of an iPad by two assailants at 8:32 p.m. Tuesday at the corner of Pleasant Street and Browne Street in Brookline. The victim, a 30-year-old postdoctoral fellow, was treated at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center for two superficial stab wounds.
http://www.bu.edu/today/2013/researcher-stabbed-in-brookline-robbery/
Yikes! Stabbed for an iPad. That seems a little harsh. Surely the commenters at the Boston U story are calling for the criminal to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and offering their heartfelt condolences to the victim.
Hmmm
Looks like maybe not.
When you move out of on-campus housing, this is a risk you have to expect. Instead of blaming BU, students should learn not to walk with their iDevices out and their heads buried in them. All of the people that nearly slam into me everyday with their head mashed in their phones become prime targets at night when they walk down dark side-streets that way.
Anonymous on 01.30.2013 at 8:00 am
I’m born and raised from Boston (not outside of Boston, the inner city of Boston) and when I hear about these things happening it doesn’t surprise me. Inner city kids know that a lot of wealthy kids go to BU. They know that students have laptops and electronics on them. Automatically you are talented. I grew up surrounded by this mentality.
The point is, all of us students need to be smart and aware of our surroundings. Don’t walk alone at night. Don’t have your cell phone in your hand or out at all. Walk swift and with a purpose. If you see people walking towards you, cross the street. Don’t keep your hood up so you can keep your peripheral vision.
Street smarts people. If you aren’t from a city, start learning them.
Local Girl on 01.30.2013 at 5:32 pm
Just because we “shouldn’t have to be afraid” of getting mugged doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take precautions ourselves. You certainly won’t see me walking around with my nose buried in my iPhone or iPad (not that we know that was the case with this robbery, but still). I value those possessions and value my safety, so I can wait to tweet or send that text until I get home. Of course having these things out of sight will not guarantee I don’t get mugged, but it certainly makes me look like less of an easy target.
BU Student with Common Sense on 01.30.2013 at 1:51 pm
What, exactly, is it about demonstrating just one iota of common sense that feminists hate so much? What part of “don’t get in a car and do coke with a guy who makes you uneasy and who is completely unknown to you” is unfair or unreasonable to expect?
I think Amanda’s spin on the story is rather revealing:
Women, it turns out, are in a perpetual state of consent unless they bring weapons to bars and are able to wield those weapons against rapists who have made it clear that they are willing to beat you into submission.
Excellent suggestion, Amanda. Bring a weapon. The one located between your ears is probably the best bet: your BRAIN!! Do you fucking have one?
The Grand Jury refused to indict in this case because it defies the imagination that anyone could be so utterly, implausibly stupid. As soon as your story starts with, “well, I went out with this guy I never met before to do coke in his car”, everything else you have to say loses all credibility.
And apparently, a lot of women who recount their “rapes” to police will often do so in a way that invites police to think they are crazy, stupid, and probably lying.
When Tom Tremblay started working for the police department of Burlington, Vt., 30 years ago, he discovered that many of his fellow cops rarely believed a rape victim. This was true time after time, in dozens of cases. Tremblay could see why they were doubtful once he started interviewing the victims himself. The victims, most of them women, often had trouble recalling an attack or couldn’t give a chronological account of it. Some expressed no emotion. Others smiled or laughed as they described being assaulted.
Rebecca Ruiz, writing at Slate, goes on to explore how neurobiology explains the way women recount their rapes, comparing rape to PTSD or the kinds of trauma torture victims endure. It’s all very compelling information, chock full of fancy medical terms and explanations that sound tickety-boo. Women don’t lie about rape because SCIENCE!
In the past decade, neurobiology has evolved to explain why victims respond in ways that make it seem like they could be lying, even when they’re not. Using imaging technology, scientists can identify which parts of the brain are activated when a person contemplates a traumatic memory such as sexual assault. The brain’s prefrontal cortex—which is key to decision-making and memory—often becomes temporarily impaired. The amygdala, known to encode emotional experiences, begins to dominate, triggering the release of stress hormones and helping to record particular fragments of sensory information. Victims can also experience tonic immobility—a sensation of being frozen in place—or a dissociative state. These types of withdrawal result from extreme fear yet often make it appear as if the victim did not resist the assault.
But there is another explanation for fractured memories and laughter and total lack of credibility: women are not necessarily LYING about the fact they think they were raped, but they are nervous as hell about the fact that they did not take one single reasonable precaution to avoid putting themselves in a dangerous situation. Perhaps the “traumatic memory” they are recalling is just how brainless and idiotic they were in the first place.
Perhaps Tron really WAS raped, and perhaps the jury really did refuse to indict a serial rapist: I don’t live in Brooklyn, but even if I did, it wouldn’t frighten me to know this man was loose in the least. Why not?
I don’t do coke, and I sure as hell would not get in a car with a man I don’t know who makes me nervous.
See how easy that is? I value myself. It’s really that simple. When feminism insists that no woman should ever be required to consider her own safety and her own actions and only rapists should be held responsible for rape, they are essentially asking women to discount their own value. Don’t consider yourself smart, capable, sensible, rational or in any way responsible for yourself.
This is why I don’t understand why any woman would embrace feminism. Feminism doesn’t just hate men, IT HATES WOMEN. What kind of philosophy rests on the assumption that women are incapable of taking the tiniest measures to protect themselves? That it is somehow unfair if women are asked to observe their environments, make a rational assessment of threats, believe themselves capable of avoiding potential harm and deserving of their own protection?
Rational
Capable
Deserving
Perhaps the reason so many women are floundering in their lives and suffering existential angst is because they have bought the story feminism is peddling: women are irrational, incapable and undeserving. Victims. Always victims.
The only definite thing Tron is a victim of is her own colossal idiocy.
Don’t take car rides from strangers. Every five year old knows this. How does anyone grow up to think car rides from strangers mixed with drunkenness and some cocaine is a good idea? No one deserves to be assaulted, but holy hell!
When five year olds show more sense than grown women, you know we have a problem.
And the solution is fairly simple: grow up ladies. You can make better choices. Really. Give it a try. Believe you are capable. Believe you are rational. Believe you are deserving. Because you are, no matter what your Daily Feminist Blogger tells you.
And remember, only do coke with people you know!
Lots of love,
JB
judgybitch 
Thank you JB.
It’s about bloody time women came forth with some common sense.about personal safety. In a similar vein the cops tell you to never leave the keys in the ignition of your car, and to lock your home up when you leave.
I believe the slut culture of feminism does more to enable rapists than the eeeeeevil patriarchy any day.
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dumbassery of this kind needs to have charges with it. does the guy in question and his state of being pop up?
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For once, it’s the “victim” who is identified, and the accused is protected. But that’s because Gina is not “alleging” he raped her. She is outright accusing him, and because the Grand Jury did not find even then flimsiest shred of evidence that anything occurred the way she said it did, she cannot use his name, or she will be guilty of libel.
He lawyered up in the face of her accusation, but that is kind of irrelevant. The lawyers do not participate at the point of indictment. They only get involved once the GJ has approved the case to proceed to trial.
So much of Gina’s story doesn’t ring quite true.
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Again, doesn’t add up how she was controlled during this ordeal. “He brought me into his spotlessly clean and creepy apartment”. In other words she strolled (skipped?) inside after allegedly being locked in his car. This isn’t a case of recklessness, it’s another blatantly false accusation.
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I’ve always wondered about that narrative. “He levitated my magically paralyzed body into his apartment after casting a spell of silence on me, all while shrouding me with his invisible cloak so none of his neighbors noticed.”
Not what it really would have been had she actually been a victim of assault, which would then be “he dragged me kicking screaming and spitting the whole way up to his apartment where he beat me into unconsciousness in order to get me through the door and shut me up. He was scratched and bruised to holy fuck and I was beaten to the point to where I was unrecognizable but his neighbors heard the scuffle and called the police before he could rape me.”
Notice the difference? Notice how the only other option to getting her through that door is her willing cooperation?
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Of course we, as a society, would hold a man partially responsible for his own mugging, if he was walking down the street of a bad neighborhood counting his cash or showing off his wealth in some way. I’m really quite shocked that these ladies would think otherwise? What planet have they been living on?
Just like we don’t feel as bad for a guy who leaves his keys in the ignition (a more apt comparison if you want to go the automobile route) or who leaves their house doors open when they leave to go to work.
Our society is absolutely reliable when it comes to blaming people for their own contributory negligence. Nobody thinks that is unfair, and no one seems to think that it is a bad idea. Except feminists.
It all boils down to personal responsibility, yet again. My hometown just had Hoopfest this weekend. It’s the largest 3 on 3 basketball tournament in the world. It draws lots of people. After the Boston Marathon Bombing, I was very nervous about Hoopfest and what bad men might want to do with that event. I told my buddy, who was going to the event, to keep his head on a swivel, and pay attention to what goes on around him, and if that little monkey in the back of his brain starts shrieking about danger, to listen to it and get the hell out of there.
I did that because I do not trust Islamic terrorists to not bomb me or my family, and I understand that I live in a world where no matter how much I want it to not be, that Islamic terrorists are still going to try and kill me. So I must take responsibility for that and watch out for signs that Islamic terrorists are fixing to blow me up with a pressure cooker.
Feminists want to live in a world where they can trust rapists not to rape them, as if that is something that could ever be achieved. They don’t want to be responsible for their own safety, they just want to be safe. They don’t want to worry about taking steps to keep themselves off the menu, they just want to be off the menu.
I would love to not be a target for terrorism, but no matter how much I want that, I know that the expectation of that would be unrealistic. Feminists don’t want that. They don’t want to have to take responsibility for themselves.
They just want someone to make it safe for them.
The people who they want to take action for their safety?
Men.
Imagine that.
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And what is missing from this narrative is this:
The guy lawyered up. How much do lawyers cost?
Who pays for that?
How does he manage to go back to his group of friends without the constant cloud of this accusation hanging over him? How does he not get eyed with suspicion from them all for the rest of his life?
I could be wrong, here. Maybe the guy is a shithead who raped her. Maybe.
But if he isn’t, doesn’t anyone else see how unfair this all is? Doesn’t anyone else see who is shouldering the burden – social, physical, and financial burden – of this accusation?
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It is mind boggling that some people can be so utterly and vacuously stupid. Drinking, cocaine, and getting willingly into a car with this guy and went to his place of residence? A Podunk rural county court system would be brain dead to prosecute this case. Party girl regrets and stupid decisions should not equate to a false rape charge. Feminist and the idiotic “have no personal responsibility for one’s self” taboo. I have said this in comments before but a woman found guilty of a false rape accusation should be charged with a sex crime, tried and if found guilty she should spend some time incarcerated, pay restitution to not only the man she falsely accused but also to the legal system. If she is unable to pay well then more jail time just like alimony and child support is done to men. And she should be listed on a sex offender registry or as JB has said before a “drunk whore registry”. If feminists victimologists like Amanda “Jar Jar Binks of the feminist universe” Marcotte disagree well they can put on their big girl panties and deal with it. Reading this also made me think of the Jodi Arias case and if she will get the death penalty and how feminist will react if she does.
The bread and butter of feminist idiot ideology seem to be a constant propaganda campaign of victimhood. Well many feminists are victims of feminism itself and many times it is only realized when that hamster finally hits the wall. Especially for the never have children or the abortion fan club. Career and money, children are a no no. When many of them realize the feminist lies and their fertile years are over that when they die they are erased from the earth, that hamster crash will be ugly. No children, no grandchildren, no legacy, no lineage, no heritage, no bloodline, nothing. Not a dime of that precious money they based their lives on is going with them, except maybe a nice coffin to go out in. How is that for a victim?
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Feminism destroys common sense.
I’m sure 90 if not 99 percent of rapes occur because the woman first takes some sort of mind altering drug.
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This has been another episode of Feminism: Rights without Responsibilities
First, there are a lot of holes in this woman’s story, besides the cavalier dismissal of her own mistakes drunkenly getting into the car to snort illegal drugs with a man who made her nervous. One thing she says is he “brought [her] to his spotlessly clean and creepy apartment.” I kind of doubt the bit about porn playing on “multiple monitors.” He “brought” her? Did he drag her inside, did he use force, or was there perhaps an opportunity to run that she didn’t take? I ask because after saying he was violent with her, she “ran away as soon as [she] felt [she] had the opportunity. He chased after [her]” but she apparently somehow outran him. There not even the barest indication of sexual assault, something I would presume one would mention in a story about rape.
There are other tells: the friend who coaches her on needing to “look as broken as possible” and not wear make-up when reporting the incident. Who, believing they are the victim of a vicious crime, needs to be coached on how to present oneself to look more “credible.” Then there’s the treatment by the police, asking what feminists stereotype as “cop questions” about the rape. New York has a Special Victims Unit specifically so that victims of sexual assault aren’t treated in the manner she describes. It’s not necessarily like they show on TV, but these are specially trained cops who are unlikely to act they way she says.
I agree it’s odd that she had to look through mug shots when she had been at the guy’s freakin’ house. Even if for some reason she couldn’t remember the exact address, even knowing the street would help. Then there’s the part where she’s “talking a lot to one of the other girls.” Colluding witnesses are generally frowned upon in the legal process.
And, as JB points out, there are issues with her account of the Grand Jury hearing (it’s not really a trial). In New York, a defendant may demand to testify before the Grand Jury, and while he has the right to have an attorney present in the Grand Jury room, who can advise him, the defense attorney otherwise takes no part in the proceedings; questioning is done by the ADA and by the jury itself, so it would be difficult to “introduce” evidence of her past in a Grand Jury, even if it weren’t already disallowed by NY’s rape shield laws. Even at trial, none of that evidence would be admissible under the rape shield law, and any competent ADA would know that, so all that business is quite suspect.
But, tellingly, she includes no details about the Grand Jury hearing, but can tell us what the Grand Jury was thinking. Add to that the bizarre reaction of her family and friends and the linked article where she recounts her being suspected of being a potential school shooter back in high school (based on the snuff short stories she wrote about killing classmates) and I have only one conclusion:
She’s a disturbed drama queen and most of this story is likely fabricated.
Not like that would stop feminists from running with it. It’s all part of a movement to change the presumption of innocence in rape cases.
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And there’s also this:
The rapist turned out to be well-off financially, and this was a problem. He got, as my new nice detective put it, a very good defense attorney, who appealed the grand jury’s decision and claimed his client didn’t have enough time to prepare to appear before the grand jury.
You see, he got a lawyer, which is a problem. He was able to defend himself, which is a problem. Gina’s word wasn’t alone wasn’t sufficient to do away with all that “due process” stuff, which is a problem.
So this guy, who was sharing out coke and has a 666 tattooed on his abdomen has some coin. He got a good lawyer who was able to advice him and have him testify to the GJ (yes, he can advise him during testimony, but otherwise not participate). So who is this guy? Sounds like a dealer to me, someone who would likely have some kind of record, one that you’d think would include a notable tat. But she had to look through mug shots for hours.
I think he had legit coin and wasn’t a dealer (otherwise why wouldn’t the cops be looking into that). And guys that can afford high-priced lawyers and who can be generous with the coke typically don’t have to do much to get laid. So, I’m not buying much of the story.
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“I was raped, and then my problems started.”
(paraphrasing) “Until then, I was just a girl who did coke and would jump into cars of strangers for a free coke fix. No problem at all…”
There was a time when the above would be considered a work of satire or parody.
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“And the solution is fairly simple: grow up ladies. You can make better choices. Really. Give it a try. Believe you are capable. Believe you are rational. Believe you are deserving. Because you are, no matter what your Daily Feminist Blogger tells you.
And remember, only do coke with people you know!
Lots of love,
JB”
Hey JB, first time commenter- long time lurker. My husband and I adore your blog.
May I quote you on the blurb above? I have some friends who really need to read this (over and over and over until they get it).
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Feel free!
And thank you.
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Wait a second!
The moral of this story is: Coke is outstanding pussy bait.
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Lol!
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Yup. Bingo…
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Um, he was high on coke too (at least we can assume that’s the case because he provided the coke in the first place). Why are feminists assigning a sense of agency and self control to him that they don’t to the “victim”? Maybe he was just to high to realize she said know (if she wasn’t so high that she actually did say no)?
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Did he disable his car locks from the inside? Not one stop light on the way home? I suppose the windows were unbreakable too? And her voice didn’t work. Probably took her cell phone too, huh?
This just doesn’t seem right to me. Something is fishy here…
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Feminsts have a problem when it comes to the concept of “Agency.”
Sociologically the term refers to the capacity for human beings to make choices. Feminists contend that women, as human beings, have the capacity and right to make their own choices without interference from society. Of course, feminism, being a Marxist philosophy, also contends that patriarchal society tries to limit or remove that agency.
So, women, having agency, have the capacity and right to make choices. Choices like getting drunk, entering the cars of unknown men who make them feel uncomfortable just on the prospect of getting a dose of illegal drugs for free. Now, the patriarchy didn’t limit this woman’s agency to make poor choices. But when those choices lead to bad ends, they cannot be questioned.
And so we circle around to the paradox: women have agency, but all their choices must never be judged. It must be nice to have the capacity to make choices, but to have no responsibility for the outcome of those choices…
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It’s a paradox, isn’t it? Women can do anything, but when anything turns out to be really bad and stupid, then it must be someone else’s fault.
It’s bizarre.
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I’ll bet Amanda Marcotte has never had an intelligent thought in her life.
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it’s funny that feminists and many women in general and some men will call people like me immature because I play video games for entertainment but hardly anyone seems to consider women like in this story immature when they don’t follow the advice I got from the care bears when I was 3 years old.
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There are two issues here which seem to keep getting blurred together.
1. She was stupid to do what she did. Yes, no doubt, totally agree. Because bad things can, and in this case perhaps did, happen.
2. EVEN IF she did a hugely dumb thing, if the guy raped her, he raped her. Doing a dumb thing doesn’t make the crime legal or unprosecutable. EVEN IF I walk into a bad neighborhood wearing my finest and $100 bills dripping from my pockets, it’s still robbery for someone to hold me up at gunpoint and take it. If a cop refuses to press charges because I “invited” the crime to happen, I don’t think that’s right. A crime is a crime. This isn’t the insurance industry, which will deny a claim of theft if I left my valuables out in the open.
Now, if the grand jury didn’t find enough evidence to go forth with an indictment, that’s something else altogether, and of course raises the possibility of false accusation. On the other hand, how do I know they didn’t think “well, she did a hugely stupid thing to put herself in a bad situation, so therefore it doesn’t really matter what the evidence is?”
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At a certain point stupidity can’t be distinguished from consent. The guy standing in the road—does he want to get hit? The guy fanning a bunch of cash in an alley–does he want to be robbed? The answer could very well be “yes,” in which case there is no crime. On the other hand it could be a retard playing with the cash, but we judge such a person “a danger to himself” and lock him away for his own safety.
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There is a least one study* that demonstrates that women’s rape avoidance behavior disappears when they go on the pill. So maybe it ain’t so much stupidity as innate behavior hardwired by millions of years of evolution – women set themselves up by inducing a faux pregnancy? And then later convince themselves they were raped.
* “A natural history of rape: Biological bases of sexual coercion.”
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I feel like shaking my head at this one, in sadness and confusion.
The parts where she claimed she attempted to beat him off her, push him away and he threatened to kill her. Does that ring true? What was she expecting when going up to his flat? Drunk and nervous, what the fuck.
The story that all her friends abandon her, even her BFF just rings of ridiculous immaturity. Seriously. If I was ever raped, having done a bag of snuff or not, I guarantee there would be no way JB or any of my friends would not talk to me ‘in case I start crying’?
There are parts of her article that are disjointed, parts of it I just skimmed over. More over the fact that it’s become an article in vice online is interesting. Is it a warning to party girls to be more careful? Or a tale to ensure you can’t just cry rape if you are too fucked up to remember and were too scared to fight?
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Given her behavior though it’s easy to suppose that the man in this case thought she was consenting to sex. She did drugs with him and willingly went back to his place- we know that. So we know she’s prone to poor judgement. Why should we believe that she had a sudden fit of good sense and told him “no?” Her word just isn’t good enough without physical evidence to back it up. We can’t go around convicting people because someone points a finger at them and yells “thief” or “rapist” or “murderer;” we have to look for proof of the crime.
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The Grand Jury refused to indict in this case because it defies the imagination that anyone could be so utterly, implausibly stupid.
THIS is what shocked me – that a grand jury in Amerika would not only show some common sense, but refuse to indict. The denizens of hell must have been donning overcoats that day.
Amerikan grand juries, especially in states like New York, over the last fifty years have pretty much indicted anything that moves and breathes, as well as a few things that don’t (as former New York State Court of Appeals judge Sol Wachtler put it, “a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor ordered it to”).
Consider this rare and precious outburst of grand jury restraint to be an anomaly, unlikely to be repeated any time soon.
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Have you noticed that if you compare taking reasonable precautions to avoid rape with locking your door to avoid robbery,, feminists will tend to tell you it’s a poor analogy because ‘a vagina is not a laptop’. But then they turn around and complain that no one suggests you were ‘asking for it’ if you were robbed while conspicuously rich! (Even though, obviously, they DO!) *headdesk* Make up your minds! GAH!
A lot of the comments are of the ‘this would never happen in the case of robbery’ – and they are entirely wrong. If the homeless guy YOU claim robbed you insists that you GAVE him the money – and there is evidence that you often DO give homeless people similar amounts of cash under similar circumstances, then YES that is going to create reasonable doubt that the crime even occurred. Of course it is. This is not doubt that what happened was a crime IF you are telling the truth. It is doubt that you are telling the truth!
And FFS! Saying you are able to take precautions to avoid becoming the victim of a crime is NOT the same as saying you are guilty of the crime if you fail to take precautions. You are not a burglar if you failed to lock your door and got robbed – but you did make a mistake. And admitting that not locking your door is a mistake in NO WAY exonerates the burglar from their crime!
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Well said.
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That is why I love high class hookers: some of them do coke. I do not, but they invite, and I always decline the invitation, but i love -I confess- the fact they take it because they become wilde banshees in bed. So, everybody is happy. And nothing about this sordid stories like in this Judgybitch article.
With hookers you just have adventages. You do not even have to buy the coke.
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If you are a man and you walk the streets with a one million euro Rolex in your hand and you are assaulted it is not your fault. Of course not.
But if you wear a one million euro Rolex and you go to a bar where the patrons are usually former convicts, drug addicts, dealers, and that kind of fauna, and you mess around with them, it is quite probable you are going to be assaulted. And, of course, still not your LEGAL fault. But it is your FAULT. We have to make a difference beetween the legal responsibility and the common sense responsibility. In any case, you are stupid.
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What hapened to Julian Assange in Sweden?
He was a consenting adult man shagging with a consenting adult woman, then he was about to ejaculate, she told him: “Outside!”. He did not (nobody has a evry clear mind at that moment), he did inside. Therefore… RAPE!!!
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Reyeko, how do you dare to think that woman was “immature”? That woman was a free, taugh, hot, party girl having fun, adult fun, with a real man. Not like you, freak-nerd-creep-“nice guy”! You will never get a real woman like that, keep on with your videogames, and dreaming, loser!
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Hey! I take offense to that. I never said I was nice!
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I suggest one article about “why so many hot girls think they can do all the drugs on Earth, chain smoking cigarettes, drinking like cosacs and still being fresh like roses when they hit 40?”
Yes, like Brigitte Nielsen, Lindsay Lohan, Kate Moss, etc.
Is there a kind of feeling of invulnerability in hot women?
They really think they are superhumans, maybe not goddesses but God Himself?
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What’s that saying?
about women and beauty…
at 20 the face you were born with,
at 40 the face you deserve…
xx
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Gina Tron is a complete trainwreck.
From a linked article about being a suspected potential school mass murder during high school:
More serious doubts about her rape story…
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Relevent:
http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/798/
ps-JB.. i have an article i’d like to run past you before i release it to the public. i value your input on it and want your opinion on it beforehand. can i send it to you for review?
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Gina Tron laments:
Meanwhile I had to deal with the ramifications of my rape that didn’t have anything to do with the cops or the courts. I initially only told a few people I trusted about what happened—I wanted to keep the situation on the down-low, since I was worried people would react in all kinds of ways that would make me uncomfortable. Well, that didn’t work out. Within a few days 60 or 70 people knew, and nobody wanted to hang out with me, out of fear that as a “rape victim” I’d burst into tears unpredictably or whatever. One of my best friends at the time told me she couldn’t be my friend anymore and wouldn’t even listen to me when I told her details about the assault. She said it was too heavy to hear, and claimed that what happened to me had given her post-traumatic stress disorder.
Actually, Gina, I think your friends were trying to tell you, in as nice and spineless a way as possible (they sure were REAL friends, huh?), that they had come to the realization that you’re a 24-karat idiot and that being seen with you is an embarrassment that will be hard to shake off. You’re also an uncomfortable reminder to them of how dysfunctional their own lives are and how it could very easily have been one of THEM in the front seat of that coke-snorting cretin’s car. Still, your statement “I was worried people would react in all kinds of ways that would make me uncomfortable” is, by the way, the ultimate in narcissistic hamsterization. You were “worried” that people would laugh in your face at your “rape” claim, a worry that turned out to be well justified.
Oh, and Gina, that last sentence in which you quote one of your girlfrends also tells us (and should tell YOU) that your “friends” are as soup-sandwich f***ed up as you are and as phony as a rubber three-dollar bill. You aren’t smart enough to realize it, but this girl did you a very big favor (again, not that she was ever really your “friend” to begin with). Try finding some new friends who might actually add value to your life. But first, try not to be such a shallow, self-centered slut. Friendship involves giving as well as taking. Keep these two things in mind and It will make the “new friends” acquisition process so very much easier.
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This is the most horrific article I’ve ever read. As someone with a similar story to Gina’s I believe her 100% and can’t believe that so many people are ripping her to shreds. It took a lot of courage for her to write and share that article an it saddens me that you’re being completely insensitive to her about it. Rape can happen to anyone and you don’t know how you will react once you are in that situation yourself.
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Oh really?
You did coke with a guy who triggered a few alarms and then went back to his apartment with him?
Do tell, Jillian.
Oh, and Jillian? While it’s true that rape can happen to anyone there are harm reduction strategies that you can deploy to prevent ANY kind of harm coming to you.
Want to avoid a head injury while cycling? Wear a helmet.
Want to avoid getting robbed on vacation? Don’t dress like a tourist.
Want to avoid getting raped? Don’t get hammered and then do coke with some guy you don’t even know.
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy!
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Well considering that most readers of this site would have enough common sense not to get drunk and then go snort cocaine in a stranger’s car, I strongly, STRONGLY doubt any one of us will find ourselves in Gina’s situation. So cut the “poor woman” crap when this idiot was perfectly capable of making choices that could’ve prevented harm from coming her way. (That’s IF she is saying the truth and was actually raped). What you should be horrified at is the shitty choices women like Gina have been making all the while expecting MEN to carry the burden of their choices and to practice responsibility for them. We’re heading towards a society almost completely made up of stupid women, making stupid choices, disregarding their personal safety and then blaming everyone but themselves for their shitty choices. Hang on…we’re already there. And there are absolutely no excuses for such behaviour from adults.
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The burden should be on the man when a woman says she doesn’t want to have sex and he has sex with her anyway. That is the definition of rape, isn’t it? Or does the definition change depending on what the girl was wearing, how much she had to drink, or how much “common sense” she didn’t have when it happened?
I really hope you are right that most of the readers on this site don’t end up in the same situation as Gina, however I think everyone should know that it can happen regardless of what precautions you take.
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Well, since you asked… I was raped in the bathroom of a club in Italy. I got there by hopping in a taxi with a guy I just met and i was drunk when it happened. Please tell me what I should have done differently and how this is all my fault!
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…so Jillian….” it can happen to everyone” u say? Because we all get ourselfs into retarded situations like “drogs and strangers apartment”? Funny how your “logic” works…
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Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t realize the only way to et raped was if you chose to do drugs with someone and they turned out to be a creep.
Yes I agree it isn’t smart to get in cars with people you don’t know, however being assaulted is never the victim’s fault. Also, you could be walking down the street minding your own business and still get raped. So excuse me but I don’t agree with your “logic” either…
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Do you know what the word “logic” means, Jillian?
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You chose to intoxicate yourself and also did so without taking proper precautions. It is all about Personal Responsibility. The rapist is responsible for the rape and should be punished for it. However, you are responsible for engaging in high risk behaviors that put you in that situation when there were simple common sense actions that could have vastly reduced or completely removed those risks. First off, don’t drink to drunkenness. If you do drink, don’t drink with strangers nor out in public without a pack of friends with at least one of them who isn’t going to drink. Don’t run off with strangers. Wait until they are at least vetted by someone you trust first! How damn hard is this? Do you really need a degree in rocket-surgery to understand basic safety? Sometimes the penalties for poor choices are terribly harsh. You are lucky that you are here posting. You could be dead right now or really really wishing you were.
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Two points are being made here, Jillian, neither of which you’ve addressed at all:
1.) The entire story sounds pretty suspicious. As I stated before, it seems awfully strange to me that she allowed him to kidnap her without protesting at all. Unless he modified the car doors to be impossible to unlock from the inside, cast a compliance spell on her, and somehow kept her from calling for help. Some of us are speculating that this is the all-too-common situation of a woman going along with it and then deciding later that she didn’t want it (once she sobered up) and that therefore it must be rape (in hindsight).
2.) IF she was, indeed, raped, we are not attempting to excuse the rapist. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law (in this case, the law did not find enough evidence to indict). We are, however, not expressing a lot of sympathy for a woman who has obviously given up every single reasonable measure of self-preservation available to an intelligent human being. She, like you, went through her life trusting rapists not to rape her, instead of trying to attempt to protect herself from rapists like any reasonably intelligent person would do.
A rich man does not walk down the streets of Harlem counting his money and showing off his rolex because he’s smart enough to know that’s stupid.
Why is it that so many of you folks think that you should be able to trust rapists to not rape you?
THere are bad people out there who will take advantage of you if given the opportunity, no matter who you are or what your gender is. I was robbed at knifepoint once, and I’m a 6′-4″ tall white guy who was built like a brick shithouse. These bad people are fucking EVERYWHERE. Responsible, sentient adults understand this and do what they can to protect themselves from these people.
Why do people like you constantly argue that you shouldn’t have to? That it is perfectly reasonable to get into a car with a strange man after you’ve gotten drunk as a skunk, and snort some cocaine with him?
As I said before, I’m a very capable, strong man with the ability to defend myself, and do you know what I’d never, ever, ever do?
That’s right! Get into a car with a stranger, while drunk, in New York City, to do a line of coke with him.
Nothing good can come from that situation, and it is a poisonous cocktail for us to feed to the impressionable youth of today that they don’t carry any responsibility for their own safety – that they can trust rapists not to rape them, or robbers not to rob them. It would be a horrible travesty for people like you to win this argument and turn an entire generation of young people into victims because they listened to you.
In closing, I’ll ask one set of questions:
Do you lock your doors when you leave your house?
Why not?
Is it because you don’t trust burglars not to burgle your home while you’re away?
Same concept.
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150% done with women’s bullshit. spend a few minutes on false rape society/cotwa and you too will wonder if women have ever told the truth about being a victim.
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1. Don’t hop into taxis with guys you just meet.
2. Don’t get drunk in countries you’re visiting where you might not know the language well.
See how easy that was?
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Her story is nearly identical to the girl in your post. I wouldn’t count on her knowing the meaning of logic, too full of feminist claptrap.
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“Rocket-surgery”? Really?! While I do agree with most I what you said, saying “rocket-surgery” makes me think you have the same IQ as Paris Hilton.
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“Rocket-surgery”? Really?? While I do agree with most of what you said, saying “rocket-surgery” makes me think you have the same IQ as Paris Hilton.
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*sigh* This is _way_ too common. I work for the Toxicology lab of the NYC Medical Examiner, and we do Drug Facilitate Sexual Assault (the legal term) testing for the city. Somewhere between 66% and 75% of the cases fall into the all-too-familiar pattern of, “Woman in 20s goes out drinking and wakes up somewhere with her clothes in disarray and no idea how she got there.” Just reading the case summary, it’s difficult to tell if any sex took place.
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So… this is just elaborate parody at this point, right?
Has to be.
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“Harlem”?
Suffering from a touch of racism today, are you?
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