Don’t be that guy? Let’s talk about those rape posters. [Corrected]

11 Jul

mra By now, likely everyone in the Manosphere has heard about the attention MRAEdmonton garnered when they countered the “Don’t Be That Guy” rape posters with their own “Don’t Be That Girl” ones.

 

http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/action-updates/mens-rights-edmonton-under-intense-media-spotlight-after-dont-be-that-girl-poster-enrages-feminists/

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/07/09/dont-be-that-girl-posters_n_3570282.html#slide=1826360

 

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Rape+apologist+parodies+That+posters+Edmonton/8638284/story.html

 

posters

 

Personally, I love the posters, but what I want to talk about today is the original campaign, designed to teach men not to commit sexual assault. On the surface, the original posters appear innocuous enough.  No, obviously, you should not be having sex with a woman so drunk she is passed out face down on the couch with her ass in the air.

 

 

ass

 

No, you should not even think of having sex with a woman who is staggering around the men’s bathroom.

 

bathroom

 

No, you should not be taking off your pants to fuck a chick passed out cold with an empty beer glass at her side and several more stacked on the bedside table.

 

beer

 

Obviously, helping a drunk woman home does not entitle you to sex.

 

 

home

 

And in what is going to come as SHOCKING news to everyone, if someone doesn’t want to have sex with you, you should not have sex with them. I’ll give you a while to process that information, because I’m sure that until this clever campaign came along, you were all busy screwing comatose girls at parties and gleefully hailing cabs so you could help ladies home and then rape them.

 

tsk

 

Tsk tsk.

 

Bad boys.

 

I think I have found a way to illustrate just how offensive these campaigns are, and what the real intention behind them happens to be.

 

bike

 

 

Look at this:  the bike theft capital of the world is none other than Toronto, Canada.

http://dirtydawgs.livejournal.com/28898.html

Most of the stolen bikes are never recovered, with the bulk of bikes going to China and Jamaica.  Jamaica has quite a few black folks, no?  So it must be black folks stealing the bikes, right?  That right there is what you call LOGIC.  Stolen bikes go to Jamaica, Jamaica has a lot of black people, black people must be thieves!  Men like to have sex with women, sex with a woman against her will is rape, men must be rapists!

confused

 

Don’t worry.  You’ll get the hang of it.

Let’s say the Toronto Police decide to tackle this epidemic of bike thievery by creating a poster campaign:  Don’t Be That Black Guy.

 

bike

Just because you can pick the lock doesn’t mean you’re allowed to steal the bike.  Don’t Be That Black Guy.  

Just because she left her bike outside the coffee shop for five minutes doesn’t mean you can steal it.  Don’t Be That Black Guy.  

Just because it’s easy to jump the fence into the backyard doesn’t mean you can steal that bike. Don’t Be That Black Guy.

 

And hey, why stop there?  There are so many crimes we could address by vilifying an entire group of people!

 

 

jew Just because you found a wallet doesn’t mean you get to take all the cash before you return it.  Don’t Be That Jewish Guy. bomb

Just because you own both a pressure cooker and some ball bearings doesn’t mean you can build a bomb and kill people with it.  Don’t Be That Muslim Guy.

meme

Just because you found a stray cat doesn’t mean you can kill it and add it to the menu.  Don’t Be That Chinese Guy.

meth

 

Just because you have allergy pills with pseudoephedrine and some hydrogen chloride lying around doesn’t mean you should cook a batch of crystal meth.  Don’t be that Latino Guy.

I could go on, but surely it’s clear that posters asking men not to be that guy, you know the rapist guy, will be just as effective as posters asking black guys not to be thieves.  And why are these posters not effective?

 

 MOST MEN AREN’T RAPISTS

MOST BLACK MEN AREN’T THIEVES

MOST CHINESE MEN DON’T EAT CATS

MOST LATINO MEN ARE NOT DRUG DEALERS

MOST MUSLIMS DON’T BUILD BOMBS

And the ones that DO? They don’t give a fuck about your stupid posters.  They’re risking their lives and freedom and their livelihoods.  A police officer with a gun might stop them.  Some jackass poster won’t.

What the posters accomplish is to teach men they are natural born rapists.  And to teach women to fear and mistrust men.

 

To hate them.

 

 

fear

 

All men. It’s  a hate campaign. There is no other word for it. Does this look familiar?

 

jewish

 

Posters played a key role in convincing the German population that Jews were evil, scary, bad, some “thing” you should hate. And we know how that turned out, don’t we?  Don’t Be That Guy is hate speech, pure and simple.  And the more voices that call it out for what it is, the sooner we can expose the real aims of women’s groups that promote these campaigns. They’re the new Nazis. Sound harsh?  Just too much to swallow?  Think comparing rape campaigns to Jewish propaganda is a false comparison? You might want to think again.  Silence is what makes these campaigns possible.  You may have other things to say about these posters, but say them you must.

 

first they came

 

Don’t be that guy.

 

Lots of love,

 

JB

 

CORRECTIONS:

 

In news that will come as no surprise to my critics, everything you read on this blog is a first draft.  I might go back and correct typos, but I have never gone back and done a re-write on any post.  This post has three major errors that I want to correct, with the caveat that the errors were the result of my first draft goes up policy.

 

1.  A commenter who calls himself Black Yoda at AVfM has quite rightly pointed out that I have left out one major group in my play on racial stereotypes:  white guys.  Allow me to correct that casually racist oversight:

 

golf

 

Just because you have a five iron doesn’t make the park your green.

Don’t Be That White Guy

 

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/lets-talk-about-those-rape-posters/#more-44997

 

2. My list of what people AREN’T has omitted the statement that MOST JEWISH GUYS AREN’T OBSESSED WITH MONEY.

 

3. My comparison of the posters to Nazism has a glaring error in that I referred to the Nazi era posters as “Jewish propaganda”.  The correct words would either be “anti-Jewish” or “Nazi”.

 

Thanks for keeping me on my toes, readers!  Don’t hesitate to call me out on blatant oversights or errors.

 

JB

76 Responses to “Don’t be that guy? Let’s talk about those rape posters. [Corrected]”

  1. Greg Crawford July 11, 2013 at 15:06 #

    Fucking Brilliant Bitch!

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  2. Blah July 11, 2013 at 15:20 #

    Hmm. Actually that poster is in Dutch. Not German.

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  3. judgybitch July 11, 2013 at 15:23 #

    Is it? Well, they were used all over Europe to get people to turn a blind eye to the Holocaust.

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  4. Red Finny July 11, 2013 at 15:27 #

    And while we’re at it, the original posters should just say “Don’t be that dumb.” That would address the lack of judgment that both parties are exhibiting.

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  5. Fred Flange, S.J. July 11, 2013 at 15:30 #

    Actually on-topic: the return of the sex-negative feminist. Yes what you do in bed – even what you thought was OK – is subject to political criticism and analysis:
    http://www.xojane.com/issues/im-a-sex-negative-feminist
    I’m sure there’s at least once good post here!

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  6. Spaniard July 11, 2013 at 16:10 #

    If the gal is very drunk, and you are very drunk too, is that rape?

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  7. judgybitch July 11, 2013 at 16:12 #

    Yep.

    You are accountable for your actions. She is not.

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  8. Liz July 11, 2013 at 16:40 #

    Just because you found a stray cat….bwahaha!
    I laughed a little too hard at that one. (been to China, ate the cat)
    Quite brilliant, JB. 🙂
    But, honestly, I’d support a ‘don’t be an idiot’ poster campaign targeting women.
    -Just because there’s a drink in front of you….doesn’t mean you have to get sh*tfaced and take your clothes off!
    -Just because you can’t remember anything happening because you drank yourself stupid…doesn’t mean anything did!

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  9. Flaming_Man_of_Iron July 11, 2013 at 16:55 #

    Well, if you want to see the other “sides” discussion of this issue, have a look at:

    http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?695239-Rape-Culture-Don-t-Be-That-Guy

    The forum is very left wing and the discussion goes in a morbidly fascinatingly different direction.

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  10. Izanpo July 11, 2013 at 16:56 #

    kudos to you JB for doing such a fantastic job bringing male issues like this to the fore!

    But there is a crime against men that no one wants to address. The victims suffer in silence. I’m talking about doggie leg-rape.

    Just because I’m running around with my shepherd’s squeaky toy saying “Gotcher toy! Gotcher toy!” that is NOT a green light for leg sex! I protest “No! No!” but she humps furiously. She does not suffer one nanosecond of guilt for violating me.

    And guys that go through this get absolutely ZERO sympathy from anybody! People are ignorant — they all say the same thing: “You shouldn’t have got her all wound up like that! You brought it on yourself!”

    Men need to break the shackles of shame! You are not a bad person. It wasn’t your fault.

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  11. RedPillOverdose July 11, 2013 at 17:19 #

    During the second world was what is now known as the CIA was called the OSS. When Germany surrendered in 1945 this organization captured as much Nazi technology and information as they possibly could which included the effective methods the Nazi party employed their propaganda. They possessed Goebble’s entire playbook. When the second wave of feminism began this bullshit in the late sixties Gloria Steinem was an agent with the CIA and the whole feminist propaganda campaign was funded by banking elite to put the other half of the population to work to tax them among other things such as culling of the population in the west. The CIA is not owned by the federal government, The CIA is owned and funded by these same banker assholes and they have used Joseph Goebbles playbook to quite some effect. Your right JB, these damn hate posters are right out of Nazi ideology. The parallels between feminist ideas and Nazism are unmistakable and are not a coincidence.
    I do find it ironic though that that same sources of finance for this feminist “rape culture” horse shit along with just about every other femitard propaganda also funds or owns much of the music industry, the fashion industry, Hollywood, and yep, the hardcore porn industry which sites such as facial abuse and ghetto gaggers make much profit. These are sites that depict on camera forced sex in the same way Max Hardcore does and would not recommend checking them out unless you have the stomach for it. But bring that up to these hate monger feminuts and all will be denied. Feminists will also never admit to the fact that they have at times used sex to sell feminism. Feminists with their brainwashing and indoctrination will never accept or by any means admit to what “useful idiots” they have been used by the banking elite.
    I also love how they foam at the mouth when their shit is handed back to them such as the “Don’t be that feminist” posters.

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  12. Ali July 11, 2013 at 17:44 #

    Why is the man accountable for his actions but not the woman? Is she a child? Perhaps that is why feminists phrase “women and children” together all of the time.

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  13. Spaniard July 11, 2013 at 17:54 #

    Then I have raped several women in my life.

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  14. Spaniard July 11, 2013 at 18:07 #

    I always wonder if that gangbang porn videos are male chauvinist or feminist.
    In one hand they are male chauvinist because is a lot of men enjoying a gal.
    In other hand they are feminist because is one gal enjoying a lot of men.
    Paradox.
    I adore that British pornstar: Nikki Jayne. I would marry her. She describes herself as “sex positive feminist”.

    About the posters: I love that one of the Jew. Is so funny!!! Don’t get me wrong: although I am Catholic I have Jewish Sephardian blood in my system. And I love the “Juderia” (Jewish quarter) of Toledo, Spain, and all the Sephardian heritage in my country.

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  15. Spaniard July 11, 2013 at 18:16 #

    I remember a party, in 1989. There was a gal dressed very provocative and behaving extremely sluttie, especially to one of the boys in the party (not me, I sweare), and then, this guy took her to one of the rooms and closed the door.
    Then, a few minutes later, the girl went out the room crying and then she went to a girlfriend of her and they went out of the house. A few minutes after I went out of the house too, to take some air, and then, I heard that provocative girl crying to her girlfriend: “Why nobody sees the real side of me?”

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  16. Modern Drummer July 11, 2013 at 18:27 #

    It is time to speak against this feminist propaganda
    I called both of my senators last week to challenge the new broadened definition of sexual assault and harassment by the DOJ and Dept of Education on college campuses. Due process and free speech rights are being swept away by title IX mandates.
    I don’t consider myself a MRA, but enough is enough.

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  17. Liz July 11, 2013 at 19:53 #

    Here is the latest outrage: http://www.stripes.com/air-force-pulls-sexual-assault-prevention-brochure-1.229626

    Congresswoman Louise Slaughter objects to the USAF sexual assault prevention brochure at Shaw. Apparently urging some common sense precautions are victim-blaming and inappropriate now. Supplicate harder, warriors!

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  18. Aye. July 11, 2013 at 20:07 #

    Rape is an interesting issue for me. I was held at knifepoint, once, and told that if I screamed, my throat would be cut out of my neck. I have been fondled in my bed, while I was sleeping, by an ex that I had allowed to sleep on my sofa. Neither occasion involved alcohol. And I make such a crap victim that I have never been raped. I screamed bloody fucking murder and I took the assailants knife from him and he ran like hell. And my ex, who is mentally ill, damn well knows that he won’t ever be trusted or welcome in my home again, and the matter was solved with that simple decree. My father spent a little time with me, teaching me to defend myself, but not an excessive amount befpre the whole prison thing. I am not particularly brawny or aggressive. And frankly, at certain times of my life, I have been a scantily clad drunken nymphpmaniac skilled only in exercising crap judgement and falling asleep in men’s dorm bathrooms. While I am aware that some people very well might try to harm me, not once has anyone successfully raped me.

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  19. LostSailor July 11, 2013 at 20:15 #

    The first poster says it all:

    Women who drink are not responsible for their actions. Especially when sex is involved.

    Just wait for this ideology to be carried to it’s logical end: woman has a single cosmo and can drive drunk, maim and murder, and rob banks because they are simply not responsible for anything they do after that first sip of alcohol.

    Of course, the logical response would be to forbid women from drinking at all. Multiple offenses should result in prolonged incarceration, or perhaps semi-permanent house arrest, with occasional trips to the grocery store.

    Oh, the irony…

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  20. Aye. July 11, 2013 at 20:19 #

    I do have some men to thank for my general safety. My father, who taught me to fight. My good friend, who is a very accomplished hunter in the most rural and gnarly of ways, and usually present for my more drunken of nights. But I have never felt very interested in taking the role of shirking violet or victim. And actually, my mother is a similarly badass chick whose eyes flash with violence when threats loom (JB, you’d like her, even if she was a divorced mother…) I feel sad for (actual, or self-perceived) victims that their community doesn’t protect them and they never learned to protect themselves.

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  21. princesspixiepointless July 11, 2013 at 20:22 #

    Shit. Did the poster really say that? I thought it was being ‘ironic’ or ‘tongue in cheek’ wow.
    Talk about just blatantly calling all women idiots.

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  22. TMG July 11, 2013 at 20:23 #

    Yes indeed! It is a hate campaign to demonize male sexuality. It’s some of the best evidence we have that the radfems run the movement.

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  23. Aye. July 11, 2013 at 20:33 #

    That’s kind of what I think, too, when I see posters like that. Casting me in a victim role without giving me the dignity of owning my own shit-judgement mistakes, is as hateful to me (in it’s implication that I am merely a flower waiting to be plucked with no control of my destiny) as it is to the evil implied hordes buffoons that are apparently roaming about rutting everything they encounter.

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  24. Aye. July 11, 2013 at 20:42 #

    And furthermore, the power that (alcohol/party/date) rape is given in the perceptual undoing of women is completely out of hand. I am definitely not so delicate an entity that I can be undone by a tiny, and probably short encounter with a tiny and probably short penis after a whiskey shot too many.

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  25. Emcee July 11, 2013 at 21:24 #

    As much as I would like to spread brilliant articles like this around, I’m terrified of what my friends and family will think of me. It’s actually really suffocating.

    I know that, as you said JB, “Silence is what makes these campaigns possible,” but I just can’t bring myself to speak out.

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  26. judgybitch July 11, 2013 at 21:26 #

    You’re adding your voice here and that counts for a lot. A lot of haters stop by and give trolling a shot (I shut them down) but your words just might linger.

    And that definitely counts for something.

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  27. Ter July 11, 2013 at 21:26 #

    You mean something along these lines 😉

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  28. Emcee July 11, 2013 at 21:44 #

    I hope you’re right. Thanks, and thank you for what you do here.

    By the way, it’s worth mentioning that members of Me’s Rights Edmonton are doing a Q&A/debate on the recent media shitstorm, tonight at 8pm Central. I just found it here:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2013/07/12/invite-to-feminists-come-debate-with-mens-rights-edmonton

    I’ll definitely be there.

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  29. Cid July 11, 2013 at 21:49 #

    I see the original posters on public transit almost every day and they piss me off. I looked up who posted them and their website went on and on about victim-blaming and patting themselves on the back for creating such an awesome campaign! I’m not even in Edmonton, but they migrated South to me :/

    For some reason feminists always remain completely blind to how hateful these are TO WOMEN. I’m sure they’re having martinis over being assholes to men, but they don’t seem to realize that their campaign basically says that women don’t need to make safe choices and have no accountability at all.

    I always badly want to rip them down but I can’t; the city hasn’t bothered to respond to any complaints either. Getting my friends involved doesn’t work .. most don’t care enough OR actually believe “rape culture” exists (they’re all men too…) SIGH.

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  30. Emcee July 11, 2013 at 21:54 #

    Isn’t that the MRA poster?

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  31. Emcee July 11, 2013 at 21:55 #

    Looks like we had the same idea. :p

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  32. judgybitch July 11, 2013 at 21:56 #

    I think Pixie is making an irony.

    Yep, it call all women idiots. Sort of like the original posters call all men rapists.

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  33. judgybitch July 11, 2013 at 21:57 #

    I’m one of the panelists tonight. Should be fun!

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  34. Cid July 11, 2013 at 21:58 #

    Ah forgot to add: The overall message of men being violent brutes that you cannot trust is the absolute worst to me. Just saying that the feminists can’t seem to see how awful they are to the women they claim to be fighting for.

    Although I’m kind of thinking that the leaders of the feminist movement actually have it in for women as much as they do for men…

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  35. Emcee July 11, 2013 at 22:16 #

    Ha ha, my bad.

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  36. Emcee July 11, 2013 at 22:17 #

    Oh damn, well there you go. Looking forward to it!

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  37. Marlo Rocci July 12, 2013 at 02:35 #

    On the way home I saw a street preacher going at everyone, saying how we were all going to hell and such. I doubt he had ever converted even one person, but that didn’t matter to him because all he wanted to do was spew hatred and venom to the entire human race.

    That’s what these feminists are.

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  38. Cid July 12, 2013 at 03:01 #

    It was a good show 🙂
    I didn’t really expect any feminists to show up and lo, I was right. All the better really, if they can’t stand up and talk against the other side outside of their insular groups then they are doomed (and I am happy.)

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  39. Alex July 12, 2013 at 03:17 #

    kinda like women who wear plunging necklines that think it’ll help them get guys who want them for their personality

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  40. feeriker July 12, 2013 at 04:13 #

    Yep. The Nazis posted and broadcast anti-Jewish propaganda in all the countries they occupied during the war. The example you used is a Dutch translation of a German poster.

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  41. feeriker July 12, 2013 at 04:14 #

    Why is the man accountable for his actions but not the woman? Is she a child?

    She’s a child when it’s convenient for her or when she’s at a disadvantage in having to exercise agency.

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  42. feeriker July 12, 2013 at 04:21 #

    Problem is, even if these “party grrrlllz” eat before (deliberately) overindulging, they tend to drink much more than usual, often to extreme excess. Ever had one of these party grrrllz spew all over you thirty minutes before the bar closes? Trust me*, it’s not something you want to stand in line to get a chance to experience. No matter how “hot” she is, being bathed in her fresh vomit tends to kill the attraction rather quickly..

    (*One of the “joys” of bussing tables in a club at closing time.)

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  43. feeriker July 12, 2013 at 04:32 #

    Obviously, helping a drunk woman home does not entitle you to sex.

    Have you ever tried to help a drunk woman home (and by this I mean a drunk women who is not a relative, spouse, or close friend)? Even under the best of conditions, I’d rather try to corral a rabid pit bull, it would involve much less violence and verbal abuse.

    Nope, that’s something a man does once and ONLY once, if he’s stupid enough to do it all. With the false accusation industry in full swing, this is just ASKING for trouble.

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  44. handbanana July 12, 2013 at 11:49 #

    if ever there was a suitable comparison to naziism, it would be feminism.

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  45. Liam July 12, 2013 at 13:04 #

    Thank you.

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  46. Feminism Is A Lie July 12, 2013 at 15:13 #

    I know how that feels. It’s only recently that my eyes have been open to the reality of feminism and I know that by spreading articles like this it would stir up drama because some people I know are feminists. Right now, I just don’t have the energy to deal with their delusional bullshit.

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  47. feeriker July 12, 2013 at 15:38 #

    “Don’t be THAT Girl”

    It’s really gross…

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  48. Keanu July 12, 2013 at 15:42 #

    It is also notable that among the pictures, they decided to include a picture of two dudes hooking up, and say that it’s not consensual if he changes his mind. No poster of two women though…

    In other news, I recently got in an argument with a woman who was trying to tell me that women were more sexually agressive then men…

    Probably the some person behind putting up those posters.

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  49. Scatmaster (@Scatmaster) July 12, 2013 at 15:47 #

    Hermann Goering … “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

    Feminists … “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the feminist leaders. All you have to do is tell them that women and children are being attacked (by men) and denounce those who protest as ‘supporters of abuse’ and for exposing women and children to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

    Feminism. Nazism.

    Nazism. Feminism.

    The ‘best interests of the child’ …

    “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.” Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf

    Feminism. Nazism.

    Nazism. Feminism.

    http://www.angryharry.com/esFeminismandNazism.htm

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  50. Liam July 12, 2013 at 16:06 #

    In my experience, women ARE more sexually aggressive than men.

    I can tell you I’ve never forced a woman to have sex with me, I have been forced by my ex-wife to have sex with her. It wasn’t a forcible rape in the sense that I could have stopped her, but it would damn well count to feminists if I were the woman and she the man, in the sense that she was drunk, kept insisting that she wanted sex, and eventually it happened when she climbed on top of me and I just did it to get it over with rather than have to keep fighting off her advances. (I was sick and extremely tired at the time, lest anyone wonder why I was so not up for sex at that moment).

    Yeah, a sample size of one is clearly not much to worry about, but just the fact that if I tell that story to most people, it’s considered me complaining about nothing, but if you reversed the genders the general consensus would be that the guy was being an abusive ass**** just shows how far we have to go.

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  51. LostSailor July 12, 2013 at 16:13 #

    I have long since given up white-knighting a drunk woman home from a bar. It’s not worth the risk–and there are many, not just false accusations.

    A younger friend whom I’ve been trying to inculcate with some Red Pill wisdom (a very committed Beta) escorted a young, very drunk woman home from my local a while back. Or at least part-way home. She staggered into him, stepping on his ankle and forcing it from the curb into the street. Ankle bones shattered, weeks of surgery and 6 months in a cast and walking boot. She left him there. And never saw him again.

    Sorry. Drunk bitches are on their own…

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  52. LostSailor July 12, 2013 at 16:15 #

    Some women can be equally or more sexually aggressive as men, for sure. And, by the current definitions being used, your ex-wife raped you…

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  53. Liam July 12, 2013 at 16:29 #

    I agree. By current definitions being used, she raped me. And if I were a woman, it wouldn’t matter to feminists whether I considered myself to have been raped, if I didn’t they would consider me blinded by the patriarchy.

    Nevertheless, I really do not consider myself to have been “raped” in any real sense of the word. I was coerced into having sex I didn’t want by wearing down my objections and making it less objectionable to have it than to keep fighting. It was distasteful and annoying, but hardly the most problematic thing in that marriage, or in truth, even in a marriage if it had been a healthy one.

    And nevertheless, I have never pushed and continued to push for sex after a woman has made it clear that she’s not interested, which means again that in my experience, women are more pushy about sex than men are (where men = me and women = the women I’ve been with.)

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  54. Liam July 12, 2013 at 16:33 #

    Y’see, I was sort of with you until the end. Yes, helping a drunk woman home can be fraught with peril. Helping a drunk man can be as well, but the woman adds the potential for her to decide to accuse you have having forced yourself on her. Most won’t, but then again, most guys won’t get violent and try to hit you, either.

    But when you get to that last line, you show exactly why people dismiss the MRM as a batch of woman-hating men.

    Do we REALLY want to be the mirror image of feminism? Or do we want to be what feminism SHOULD be, about addressing inequality without turning it into a “we have to address our issues without giving ground an inch on their issues, or we’ll lose points” kind of game?

    I, personally, like the fact that the MRM shines light on some things that are not commonly discussed or even known, but what I want to be a part of is a group of enlightened folks who care about ALL of the problems, and want to address them all, not air our own and then turn around and dismiss the other side with “Drunk bitches are on their own…”

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  55. Spaniard July 12, 2013 at 17:56 #

    I had a similar experience with an ex.
    I was not in the mood and I was very wounded about her behaviour.
    But she jumped over me and insisted me violently to penetrate her. I said “no” but, of course, I had an erection, and I did it, and the shag was great, by the way. But… I do not know how to call it… “Rape”? maybe too much. Coercion? Maybe… It has no name.
    iBut I was not angry with her at all about that. I think hate fucks are fantastic. Especially when you have notice for the first time that your girfriend is a total slut that will cheat you in any moment.
    En fin…

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  56. Spaniard July 12, 2013 at 17:58 #

    I admire women like you.

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  57. Spaniard July 12, 2013 at 18:11 #

    It Is not great when they are very drunk and they start peeing in the sidewalk?
    Of course they do it in order to make men around horny, because it is not big deal finding a dark lane or a bush or a toilet in a bar… but they prefer doing it beetween two cars. Very visible. In that monents even they start shouting very loudly and they smoke. I have no problem at all about that. I find it charming. But I so not understand when they complain if you watch them more than 10 seconds. Then they threat to call the cops, and they look at you as you were a dirty “voyeur”.

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  58. Emcee July 12, 2013 at 21:16 #

    At least I’m not the only one. So many of my Facebook friends in particular are feminists… I’m getting hateful shit in my feed more often it seems (or maybe I’m just noticing it more now). This was a recent gem:

    “Don’t get men. Complain about not having a son, sperm does all the choosing of the baby’s sex.”

    Well then, allow me to sort through all my sperm and separate the boys from the girls, down there. Sheesh.

    By the way… with AVfM being labelled a hate site now, do you think that “coming out” (which sounds ridiculous) as an MRA might put one’s job in jeopardy? I wouldn’t call myself an MRA (not yet, at least), but I wonder if any employer would take action if they found out?

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  59. Aye. July 13, 2013 at 02:51 #

    I am a product of my environment: the kind of no-stop-light American town where even the democrats have gun safes and girls can split firewood nearly as well as their brothers.

    True story from back home: when I was in 8th grade, a 6th grader gave birth. She didn’t know she was pregnant. She couldn’t remember even having a monthly. Her step grandfather, it turned out, had been abusing this child in profound and horrible ways. Bad people will hurt the vulnerable, and apparently evil, apathetic bystanders will allow it to happen (where was this little girl’s grandmother during this time?).

    That’s actual abuse and it’s horrible. But an adult has the capacity to change their situation, and choose where they go, and who they surround themselves with.

    I really don’t want to live in the sort of world where my boyfriend would be afraid to touch me after a couple of glasses of cheap champagne because he would be legitimately afraid that I might cry rape.

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  60. Aye. July 13, 2013 at 03:08 #

    “Drunk bitches are on their own.”

    They shouldn’t be on their own. Why don’t these hypothetical drunk ladies have friends who like them enough to put up with an hour or so of their temporary but incoherent stupidity, or, at the very least, call them a cab? No one should require a white knight.

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  61. Feminism Is A Lie July 13, 2013 at 04:42 #

    Hmm…that’s an interesting question. It all depends on your boss, really. Are they indoctrinated into the feminist worldview or is there some thread of sanity left? However, would they be forced to take action if you’re in the situation of being surrounded by fellow employees who are indoctrinated into the feminist worldview and they make complaints? Well, if there’s any justice left in the world, I like to think nothing could be against you unless there’s sufficient evidence to show you’ve done something to get fired…one’s affiliations with political groups, views towards feminism, religion, etc, should not be reason to get fired. But then, if you’re ever around radfems, I wouldn’t put it past them to try and destroy anyone who doesn’t worship feminism. The world is a mess.

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  62. Emcee July 13, 2013 at 15:10 #

    I would like to like you’re right. I work with a lot of women… although seeing as I’ve only worked at that place for three months and have already heard stuff out of there mouths that are way worse than the likes of dongle incident (I hate the “-gate” suffix”, I think I’ll be fine. I mostly keep to myself, anyway. The question just came to mind the other day.

    I never thought I’d say this, but being around of many (I would assume conservative?) country folk might pay off. 🙂

    I hope you’re not in a situation where your views could come back to bite you. I know that if I were still in university, I would be probably be disowned immediately.

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  63. LostSailor July 15, 2013 at 17:17 #

    Since I don’t consider myself an “MRA” or part of the MRM, I don’t really care. Feminists have made this society in their own image. They wanted independence, they got independence. I will look out for women who are friends, and whose character I know, but random acquaintances? Nope, not any more.

    If the MRM is wanting to be “what feminism SHOULD be” then it will fail. The only thing that will succeed is a rollback of feminism. I’m not holding my breath…

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  64. Euro Dude July 16, 2013 at 17:38 #

    A brilliant post as always. Very intelligent and analytic. Greetings from Norway.

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  65. freetofish July 18, 2013 at 20:31 #

    What I find interesting is your need to explain why you didn`t feel like having sex at that time. It`s this idea that all men are just walking , talking hard ons that always want sex that prevent the situation you just described as being taken seriously as female on male rape.

    It`s how feminists femsplain there is no such thing as male rape by a female. If you`re hard, it must be consensual.

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  66. Ed H July 18, 2013 at 23:32 #

    Women who drink are not responsible for their actions. Especially when sex is involved. So, women are NOT responsible for their actions. Hmmm. And women who drink are not responsible for their actions. So a woman can get drunk and do Any damn thing she wants, (murder, steal, burn, torture) and is not responsible. But if a GUY gets drunk…”Ummm I’m really sorry about raping that Sorority Your Honor. You see, when I drink I’m not responsible for my actions. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a keg to buy and I’m heading over to the pre-school in my neighborhood.” ???

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  67. Take Back Your Face! July 31, 2013 at 21:39 #

    Latinos are into meth?! Who knew? In the US its a white trash thang.

    By the way, only rapists rape, so telling non-rapists not to rape won’t change a thing. They cannot rape regardless of the circumstances. Its just not in them.

    I’m pretty sure there’s some screwed up brain mechanism in rapists that the rest of us don’t have. Either that or genes.

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  68. analyticalalchemist August 16, 2013 at 19:29 #

    I was thinking that too. “Since when did methamphetamine become a Latino drug and not a white trash drug?”

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  69. Liz September 22, 2013 at 02:03 #

    Now if we could get someone to rant so passionately on behalf of rape victims of both sexes.

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  70. Ken June 4, 2014 at 23:40 #

    Thanks for “getting it.”

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    See you in Detroit!

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  71. Michael June 14, 2014 at 02:25 #

    They sell the meth to those of Nordic and Celtic extractions. Don’t know about Slavs, though.

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