Wanna be a Male Feminist? Okay, here’s what you have to do

9 Aug

 

 

Our friend Hugo Schwyzer has ignited quite the little debate with his departure from internet feminism, and the mantle of Numero Uno Male Feminist is now up for grabs!  Surely there are some ambitious lads here who might want to take a shot at the Crown?

 

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http://judgybitch.com/2013/08/03/slutty-feminist-women-with-fucked-up-personal-lives-are-heroes-slutty-feminist-men-with-fucked-up-personal-lives-are-mentally-ill-traitors-really-now-hugo-you-didnt-see-this-coming/

 

Meghan Murphy at xoJane has laid out for you just how to go about it.  Ready?

 

StartingGun

 

http://www.xojane.com/issues/unpopular-opinion-it-pisses-me-off-when-men-call-themselves-feminists

 

Feminism is for everyone, but why does it seem as though those who insist they are “good guys” or self-identify as feminist grate on me?

 

First up, you need to understand that no matter what you do, you are going to irritate the shit out of all the ladies who call themselves feminists.  You will grate.  Once you understand that little chestnut, you will be much more likely to succeed as a Male Feminist.

 

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Repeat after me:  No matter what you do, you are wrong.  And irritating.

 

It’s not that I don’t think men can be feminist. I know many men who clearly align themselves with the feminist movement. The problem seems to be with men who self-identify as “feminist” as a means of gaining credibility or avoiding accountability. The problem is that many men who claim to be “good men” or to respect women, don’t actually… well… respect women.

 

You hear that?  It’s not enough to just claim the word. You are going to need to be credible and accountable.  Those are important virtues to feminists.

 

Credible.

 

Accountable.

 

We’ll keep that in mind.

 

After his video “Blurred Lines,” was called misogynist and “rapey,” Robin Thicke responded by arguing that OH BUT it’s ok for him to objectify women because he respects them so much! “We’re the perfect guys to make fun of this,” Thicke said. Because HAHA you guys! Isn’t misogyny hilarious?

 

“Blurred Lines” was called misogynist and rapey by whom, Meghan?  Oh, some whiny feminists, who don’t like the line “I know you want it”.

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/17/blurred-lines-robin-thicke-s-summer-anthem-is-kind-of-rapey.html

 

Okay, let’s put our credibility on the line and look at the lyrics, and not just one line.

 

And that’s why I’m gon’ take a good girl

I know you want it

I know you want it

I know you want it

You’re a good girl

Can’t let it get past me

You’re far from plastic

Talk about getting blasted

I hate these blurred lines

I know you want it

I know you want it

I know you want it

But you’re a good girl

The way you grab me

Must wanna get nasty

Go ahead, get at me

 

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/robinthicke/blurredlines.html

 

 

Hmmm.  She’s not plastic.  A good girl acting bad.  What is Robin to do?  Ooh, then SHE grabs HIM.  My, my, my.  She wants to get nasty, apparently.  Now what does Robin do?

 

He invites her to make the next move.  Go ahead, get at me.

 

Yep, pretty rapey.

 

Credibility score: 0

 

“When we made the song, we had nothing but the most respect for women,” he said on The Today Show. He even went so far as to say the song is a “feminist movement in itself.”

 

Well, as long as if by feminist you mean that women have the right to grab men on the dance floor, I guess it IS a feminist song.    I wonder what the response would be if it were Robin grabbing the women?  Isn’t that technically assault?

 

Former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer was forced to resign after it was revealed that he’d been buying sex from prostitutes. Yet he insists he’s actually a feminist.

 

Let’s see.  Spitzer believes that women have the right to control their own sexuality, the right to determine how their bodies will be used, the right to attach commercial value to themselves, and he paid women fair market value for their services.

 

The misogynist.

 

Prostitution is incompatible with feminism because women CANNOT possibly understand the implications of attaching commercial value to their bodies.  Unless they are soccer players.  Or models.  Or anything other than prostitutes. Silly women. It’s only your body and your choice when it comes to killing babies.

 

Accountability score: 0

 

The deal is, apparently, that you can behave however you like so long as you plead feminism. “But you abuse women, sir…” “Impossible! I love women!” I’ve heard it time and time again in my own life. Men believe they love women and that that simple belief or declaration erases their sexist behaviour.

 

I can only assume Meghan is referring to her previous paragraphs as examples of abuse and or/sexist behavior?  Not quite certain, but let’s go with that.  Letting sexually aggressive women decide how far they would like to take their actions and allowing women to determine how they will use their bodies is abusing women/behaving in a sexist manner.

 

Gotcha.

 

Credibility: still 0

 

 

Walter Madison, lawyer for the young men convicted in the Steubenville rape trial, painted the victim as “a party girl” and essentially accused her of being “embarrassed;” choosing to claim rape in order to avoid being labeled a “slut.” Despite his victim-blamey arguments, he told Ariel Levy that he considers himself “very much a feminist.”

 

A lawyer suggests that a young woman might try to avoid being held accountable for her behavior by casting the blame on the men. I wonder if the “victim” would have liked Robin’s song?  Something tells me yes.

 

Proposing that perhaps women are in some teeny, tiny way responsible for their own actions is clearly sexist.

 

Accountability:  still 0

 

And then, of course, there’s Hugo Schwyzer, who recently left the internet due to not only personal struggles but, according to an interview in New York magazine, because of vitriol from the feminist internet.

 

Schwyzer is clearly struggling with some very serious mental health issues and has a lot of personal work to do away from the feminist internet. But you’d think a self-described male feminist would know better than to blame “women’s anger” for his troubles. “Men are afraid of women’s anger,” he said. Hmm mmm. Women and their scary, scary feelings and opinions. Note all the men of the world cowering in the corner because women *gasp* feel angry. Man, I wish that worked.

 

angry

 

Pay attention here, men.  Women’s anger is equivalent to feelings and opinions.  When you hear “I feel” or “I think”, and it is coming from the mouth of a woman, you can take that to mean “I’m angry”.  That’s a key element of how to communicate with feminists.

 

Assume they are all angry bitches.  Meghan says they are!

 

And keep in mind that she would really love it if men would cower in the corner when faced with women’s anger. She wishes that would happen.

 

cower

 

You can make it happen!  But be aware, that won’t make her any happier. She will still be angry.

 

Now, no fistfights over who gets to take on this job.

 

The interviewer said: “One reason you became a punching bag is that there just are not many men writing feminist columns online,” prompting Schwyzer to complain: “If you look at the men who are writing about feminism, they toe the line very carefully. It’s almost like they take their cues from the women around them.”

 

line

 

Toe the line.

Carefully!

Take your cues from women.  And only women.

 

Well yes. That’s the idea. While feminism is a movement that can include and benefit men and women alike, at the end of the day it’s also a movement to end patriarchy and has always been led by women. To say that “It’s very hard for men to stand up to women’s anger” is to imply that, somehow, white men in feminist spaces are being persecuted or silenced.

 

Your persecution complex will have to go, gents.  It’s true that feminists want you to cower in the corner, toe that line carefully and prepare to be led by and take your cues from angry women, but there is NO PERSECUTION INVOLVED IN THAT.

 

shut up

 

Just shut up already.

 

Credibility?  Crap. Still 0.

 

Women have long been silenced by being told they are hysterical or aggressive or out of control or “too angry” when they stand up for themselves or speak out. To call in such a sexist stereotype in order to gain sympathy displays the same kind of entitlement expressed by all these baffled men who say “But, but… I RESPECT WOMEN” when called out on their anti-feminist behaviour.

 

Wait. I’m confused.  Meghan just SAID that when feminists think or feel, it’s the same as anger.  But no calling them angry!  And no being baffled!

 

baffled

 

“I’m a feminist,” when coming from a man, always feels to me like demanding a pat on the head. “I love my mother,” they say, puffing out their chests, as though it excuses their visit to the strip club the previous night.

 

What the hell does loving your mother have to do with making sure strippers can put food on the table?  I’m not sure, but I think you either have to hate your mother or let those bitches dancing in clubs starve.

 

Accountability?  Hovering right at 0.

 

An evil man I was in a relationship with once told me I was being “cunty.” I looked at him with shock and disgust. “You realize it’s not ok to call women ‘cunts’ or ‘bitches’ or ‘sluts’ or any of those other gendered words used to degrade women, right?” I responded. “Oh, well some women I know say it and they think it’s fine,” he mansplained. “It isn’t. Especially when it’s coming from a man. Especially when you’re saying it as an insult,” I said. (As though being called “cunty” could be anything but insulting). CONTEXT PLEASE. This man insisted he was both progressive and feminist. He, therefore, was free to use sexist language against women. It wasn’t sexist when he said it!

 

It’s perfectly acceptable to call men evil, and you should probably prepare to have that accusation lobbed at you, kind sir applying as Male Feminist, but do NOT refer to any woman as “cunt”, “bitch” or “slut”.

 

cunt

 

Even if the woman really IS “cunty”. Which Meghan definitely IS.

 

 “Oh do I seem mad? Too bad. You still can’t call me ‘cunty’”

 

The point here is that women, and only women will define what terms are and are NOT acceptable and you will toe the fucking line, you evil creep!

 

Similarly, Thicke tries to pin his creepshow video on women. Supposedly he preferred the clothed version of the video, but then said: “I showed it to my wife and all of her friends and everyone’s immediate response seemed to be ‘This is amazing. You have to put this out.’”

 

That’s like saying: “But that feminist just called herself a slut! Therefore, it’s ok for me to call my girlfriend a slut.” Or, like: “But all those women are posting porny photos on Instagram! So it’s ok for me to creep their accounts.” Nope! Or, I suppose you can but don’t do it while simultaneously pretending to be feminist. Pro tip: We can all see when you “like” those #sxy #babe #hot #girls #asss shots on Instagram and we are all judging you.

 

Women: yes, you CAN post porny ass shots on Instagram.  You may NOT sell that ass for actual cash (see above) and you may not shake that ass on a stage (see above).  You may call yourself a “slut” or any other word you prefer.

 

slut

 

Men:  you will not look at Instagram or use the same language as women.

 

Didn’t we just cover this?

 

WOMEN DEFINE THE TERMS OF DEBATE, TOE THE LINE, FUCKER!

 

 “I don’t want to be sleazy, I’m a gentleman,” Robin Thicke insisted on BBC’s Radio 1. Well, too bad bud. If you don’t want to be “sleazy” then don’t make a video that’s essentially a celebration of male power and rape culture.

 

Oh, oops. My bad. I thought feminists just defined the actual language as acceptable or not.  Turns out they will also be in charge of policing music and videos, too.

 

no fun

 

This is looking like a lot of fun!

 

Men who insist they are the “good guys” without actually changing their behavior or interrogating their beliefs about women and what gender equality really means do more harm than good. It’s manipulative more than supportive. It’s silencing. And if you’re silencing feminists or objectifying women while claiming to respect us, you’re doing it wrong.

 

I think it will take duct tape and possibly several tubes of crazy glue and probably some well-placed sutures to silence Meghan, but that doesn’t mean you can’t at least TRY, guys.  You will NOT be considered a “good guy” until you have ceded all language and music to feminist determination, until you pick up that line and toe it, subject yourself to interrogation about gender and equality, and while you’re at it, would you mind cowering in the corner?

 

Thanks ever so much.

 

Credibility:  I think we’re gonna have go with negative integers at this point.  -1

 

Men need to do much more than call themselves “feminist” in order to be allies, which is why, generally, when men claim the label “feminist” I feel more irritated than elated.

 

Yes, honey, we know.  You’re angry and irritated all the time.

 

I want men in this movement and there are men in this movement. But the men who I see doing the work and changing their own behavior both in their personal and public lives to support women aren’t going around advertising their feminist status and demanding we all recognize. They’re just doing it.

 

shush

 

So, addendum to toe the line:  TOE THE LINE SILENTLY

 

And don’t silence anyone else with your silency silence.

 

Credibility just took a severe nosedive.  -20

 

So you want to be one of the good guys. You want to join team feminism. You want to respect women and be an ally. Awesome. Now stop telling everybody how much of a feminist you are and start acting like one

 

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I’ll recap what that requires just in case you got lost:

 

You are grating

You are irritating

You must be credible

You must be accountable

Women are allowed to grab you

You are a rapey rapist under all conditions

Women are not accountable for their behavior and you will not expect them to be

When feminists think or feel, it means they are angry.  Deal with it.

You will cower in the corner

You will toe the line

Carefully!

You will be led by women

You will take your cues from women

You will accept persecution without any stupid complex

You will not call women angry

You will not be baffled

No baffling!

If you love your mother, you can’t help strippers feed their kids

If you hate your mother, go ahead

You are evil and creepy

You will not use language that has not been approved by feminists

You will not look at asses on Instagram. Twitter might be okay.  I’ll have to get back to you.

You will be interrogated

You will shut up

 

 

All righty then!  Taking applications for Male Feminist in three – two – one ……..

 

empty

 

Guys?  Hey guys?  Where did you go?

 

Oh right. You’re cowering in the corner, holding fast to your line, and being silent.  Awwww.  Good dog!  Here’s a cookie.

 

dog

 

See?  Sometimes, feminists LOVE cookies!

 

http://judgybitch.com/2013/08/01/do-not-give-feminists-cookies-feminists-hate-cookies-no-cookies/

 

And obviously, they love men.

 

Me too!

 

Lots of love,

 

JB

59 Responses to “Wanna be a Male Feminist? Okay, here’s what you have to do”

  1. Take Back Your Face! August 9, 2013 at 18:28 #

    If Hugo did not have such a history with mental illness and drug addiction I would say he was an opportunist using Feminism to get in the pants of various women.

    I guess I cut him some slack having read about his own history, penned by none other than himself.

    However, some people think he’s a narcissist who is just making that all up to have people feel sorry for him.

    I’ve watched some of his videos from his site and there is one where he is a guest on the Ricki Lake show where he talks about his choice to get circumcised at the age of 37!

    I have noticed that there are some men who enter into charities or missions for “helping women” around the same time they are looking for a wife or partner.

    Coincidence?

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  2. Spaniard August 9, 2013 at 19:27 #

    I am a male feminist.
    I love women to pay 50% of the bills.
    I love amateur sluts.
    I love proffesional sluts, too.
    I love watching naked women in Penthouse (because they love to show their bodies to the world And I support them in that)
    I agree with sex positive pornstars like Nikki Jayne.
    I support sluttie behaviour.
    Because I believe in female independence, I think that women can just keep their shit and their money after divorce. Just their own shit and money. Not hubby’s.
    That is why wives should have their own bank accounts.
    I beleive that women can approach men, too.
    I preffer the woman to work, so in that case, they earn their own money.
    I find mature, divorced women fascinating.
    There is something really sexy about single moms.
    When I was young, I dreamed about being a gigolo and being mantained and payed by hot milfs (still dreaming about it)
    Yes, I am a male feminist.

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  3. Marlo Rocci August 9, 2013 at 19:41 #

    Feminists: The middle aged woman’s equivalent of “EWE, BOY GERMS!”

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  4. Marlo Rocci August 9, 2013 at 19:43 #

    The thing to remember about Hugo is that when men have mental illness, they need a life sentence and civil commitment inside a super-max prison. When women have mental illness, they need outpatient care and anti depressants…plenty of anti depressants.

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  5. Take Back Your Face! August 9, 2013 at 19:46 #

    ” I think that women can just keep their shit and their money after divorce. Just their own shit and money. Not hubby’s.”

    In the USA we have no fault divorce and this is how it is.

    No alimony. Child support is split between the parents.

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  6. Spaniard August 9, 2013 at 19:52 #

    Are you Italian, Marlo?

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  7. Kingturnip August 9, 2013 at 20:01 #

    Alimony is still very much real. It is common, though not as common as it once was. Check the opposition to Florida changing it’s alimony laws:
    http://j4mb.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/paying-lifelong-alimony-in-florida-the-battle-between-sanity-and-madness-madness-wins-again/

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  8. Spaniard August 9, 2013 at 20:06 #

    In Spain hubby pays 100% child support.
    Alimony is called “Compensacion Economica”. Hubby pays. Even if wife earns a lot of money.
    Wife takes 50% of hubby’s goods (the good he had before marriage, too) Always. Even if wife is already rich on her own side.
    All this not because we, Spaniards, we are so feminists, no. It is because, we, Spaniards, we are so “macho” and the male pays everything to women. Always. It is in the culture. Do not take from the Spanish macho that satisfaction.
    In Spain, as well, is considered better to be married to an impossible witch than to be in your own. Because a married man “exists”. A single man 35 plus, has “no entity”. No “existencial entity”. He is a case for a book by Jean Paul Sartre or Albert Camus.

    The only part of Spain where wife does not get any (any) goods or money from hubby after divorce is in Catalonia (by local Law. since the Middle Ages) Because in Catalonia they are very sensitive?sensible about money. And they are not so macho.

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  9. TMG August 9, 2013 at 20:09 #

    The deal that average women offer their husbands and boyfriends is not much better, and the demands of “traditional conservative” women are often much worse.

    Women are putting men into an impossible situation, and then they blame us when we stop trying to make them happy.

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  10. Modern Drummer August 9, 2013 at 20:17 #

    Feminists love men like Monsanto loves local farmers.
    Meghan and I agree on one thing though:we’re both repulsed by male feminists.What a pathetic,weak-ass bunch of motherf*** ers they are.
    I don’t think Hugo should be drawn and quartered,but I can’t say I feel sorry for him either.

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  11. deti August 9, 2013 at 21:28 #

    There seems to be no need to reply to the entity which calls itself “Take Back Your Face”. This entity does not know what it is talking about, particularly with regard to American divorce law.

    Don’t feed the trolls.

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  12. Clover_Grl August 9, 2013 at 21:29 #

    This was the best commentary in a long time, I laughed till I cried. I’m always amazed when my male friends try to claim to be feminist, it seems like a bad idea…luckily fewer and fewer are these days, seems like they’re catching on.

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  13. deti August 9, 2013 at 21:31 #

    Exactly, KingTurnip. If a man is a sole breadwinner, he’ll be paying alimony to an exwife who just wants out of the marriage, “just because”.

    The only time alimony isn’t awarded in a divorce from man to woman is if
    1. She waives it; or
    2. She outearns him; in which case she might end up paying alimony to him.

    Pay no attention to the troll/entity which calls itself “Take Back Your Face”. This entity is sadly misinformed.

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  14. deti August 9, 2013 at 21:33 #

    Child support is NOT split between parents.

    The noncustodial parent (almost ALWAYS the father) pays support to the custodial parent (almost ALWAYS the mother).

    Child Support is a set percentage of the father’s income; usually 20% for one child and on up from there depending on the number of children.

    You are simply WRONG about child support being “split between the parents”.

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  15. Chris August 9, 2013 at 21:54 #

    So, to replace Hugo I have to remove my brain, spine and balls.

    No thank you. If nominated, I will not run. If elected I will not serve. Nor should any other man,.

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  16. Sarah August 9, 2013 at 22:48 #

    Haha. I read Meghan’s article yesterday and was hoping you’d write about. Thanks for a great post, as always.

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  17. Dean Moriarty August 10, 2013 at 00:28 #

    I’m not an MRA although I read avfm religiously. And I thought this was a great article. I wanted to tell you that because what I am about to say will sound incorrect on a website that looks at issues with regard to men sympathetically.

    Robin Thicke’s video comes within a hair of.being …distasteful. And I’m a man. I get that women are expressing their sexuality nowadays, quite flagrantly. I don’t want to stop them. Hell I am benefiting from it. But hockey mask girl at around 3: 15 – 3: 20 or so in the video is too much. I can’t do it. That is exploitation of women. I know, I know, she is a free agent and no one forced her to appear in this video, but a hockey mask? Do we men really need that? Isn’t cleavage good enough? Hell, a clothed woman with a bangin’ body will make chub out. An almost naked woman in a hockey mask is circus freak. Do we, as a society, really need to get down to the cameltoes now, because cleavage and curves isn’t enough, and we need more?

    That’s all I have to say. Maybe it’s some old weird chivalry chip I haven’t excised from my being, I can’t say. Or maybe I need an explanation and a proper talking to by women. To the women here, let me ask you this: are you cool with hockey mask girl? If you are then I guess I am. I follow men’s rights because I believe they (we) have legitimate issues. I’m not here to degrade women.

    Unless they want to be I guess.

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  18. Ter August 10, 2013 at 00:41 #

    Male feminists irritate real (female) feminists because that reduces the oppressor class that feminism relies on for its survival.

    Meghan describes it as men “avoiding accountability” i.e. Those men can no longer be openly targeted.

    Considering that feminism relies on victim status – if the oppressor class disappears (i.e. no-one left to be held “accountable”) then this seriously undermines feminism, its business model and its very existence. Very irritating to feminists indeed.

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  19. Eric August 10, 2013 at 01:22 #

    Murphy is a methodological Marxist.

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  20. Eric August 10, 2013 at 01:32 #

    Blurred Lines struck me as purposely provocative, perhaps even knowingly subversively political. Here’s what I said about it after reading JB’s post on the song:

    The overt red pill, PUA themes in the song and video, combined with the unapologetic stance by the artists in response to feminist criticism, strike me as a knowing pushback – a purposeful political statement – by the artists against the reach of radical feminism in popular culture. The popularity of 50 Shades of Grey among women is proof that radical feminist doctrine on human sexual relations is misleading and mistaken.

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  21. Marlo Rocci August 10, 2013 at 02:28 #

    1/4 Italian. It all settled in one place.

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  22. Dean Moriarty August 10, 2013 at 03:04 #

    You know I never thought of that but now that you mention it, it is indeed plausible. It is entirely possible that this video deliberately, as a feminist would say “transgresses the boundaries” of “discourse” and “situates” men in such a way that it “privileges” their existence within “spaces” of feminist “hegemony”.

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  23. Marlo Rocci August 10, 2013 at 03:12 #

    I think feminists hate MGTOWs even more. We’re the absolute non-target. Feminists love getting a reaction out of people, and it’s hard to get a reaction out of someone who is ignoring you altogether.

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  24. Emcee August 10, 2013 at 03:16 #

    It’s funny… I was just thinking, today, about how brainwashed I am into believing that it is only women who can speak about gender issues with any kind of authority. It’s disappointing to realize that I would have never, NEVER listened to a word an MRA said if it weren’t coming from you or GirlWritesWhat.

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  25. Eric August 10, 2013 at 03:35 #

    Societal reprogramming and reeducation are Marxist objectives, and it’s hard to reprogram and reeducate people who’ve unplugged from the Matrix – as much as is practical anyway – and no longer feel compelled to internalize PC feminist judgement. Moreover, MGTOWs are not only wiggling out of the grip of feminism, they’re developing a feminism-averse Positive Masculinity. MGTOW is individually oriented by definition, so it doesn’t quite fit the profile of a counter-cultural movement, but when cross-pollinating with their Manosphere cousin MRAs, PUAs, and Complementarians who are more societally oriented, MGTOW products are a threat to feminism.

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  26. Eric August 10, 2013 at 03:40 #

    Robin Thicke’s wife may have some views in common with JB.

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  27. Dean Moriarty August 10, 2013 at 03:46 #

    Eric, whoever you are, it is obvious you are a leader. Make some videos. Stardusk and Barb are the only two mgtow heavyweights. I’d love to see more.

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  28. Sara August 10, 2013 at 04:30 #

    Can I ask what the significance of the mask is? I don’t think it is a hockey mask but what is it? And why do you feel that the hockey mask is over the line? I’ve watched the video a ton of times, because I really like the song, and I never really paid any attention to the mask. (Don’t hate! I really like the song!) I kinda thought it was just one more weird thing in an already really nutty video.

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  29. lolwhat August 10, 2013 at 05:16 #

    Holy shit. Hugo is having a meltdown … just admitted that he was a fraud all along.

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  30. Eric August 10, 2013 at 13:29 #

    Dean, thanks for the encouragement. I do think it’s important that MGTOWs discuss and share lessons learned community style. Videos, blogs, published writings, forums, etc., matter. If a movement grows as a by-product of that social activity, so be it.

    There is an inherent tension there because MGTOW is iconoclastic, inner directed, and self centered. MGTOW is critical, not faith based. If we have an antique prophet, he’s Nietzsche, not Abraham. But we are human and naturally social, and we must draw from our environment to grow. We aspire to perfection, but we’re not God. While the MGTOW scale is tipped to self-actualization and we’re resetting the balance, a balance between self-actualization and socialization is still necessary. Most of us are renegotiating our social contract, not exiling ourselves from the village.

    I’m not firm enough as an MGTOW to don a guru hat and spread the good word social media. The only strong advice I have to offer to fellow MGTOWs at this point is dust off and examine the classics, the “great books for men” canon, not limited to religious text.

    I’m not an MRA (we can be MGTOW and MRA, of course), but as a one-time activist who grappled successfully with one arm of the Marxist octopus in a micro arena, I support the projects of our societally oriented Manosphere brethren and have an avocational interest in the nuts and bolts of their operations.

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  31. Eric August 10, 2013 at 13:51 #

    Off topic, JB:

    I know movie reviews aren’t a regular feature of your blog, but you do take on pop entertainment sometimes (Blurred Lines).

    Have you seen the 2012 movie, Moonrise Kingdom?

    On the surface, the love story is a nostalgic romantic fantasy centered on the kind of relationship that’s unavailable to most adults. However, underneath the romantic idealism of the children and alienation of the adults, the movie struck me as an allegory with several red-pill themes that are consistent with the complementarian ideas and perspective you advocate.

    Upthread, I characterized Blurred Lines as purposely provocative subversive art by Robin Thicke, Pharell, and TI that’s a pushback against radical feminism. I wonder if you’d agree that Moonrise Kingdom is possibly a more subtle pushback against same.

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  32. Eric August 10, 2013 at 13:54 #

    spread the good word *in* social media

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  33. judgybitch August 10, 2013 at 13:54 #

    Interesting.

    I will have to check it out.

    Thanks!

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  34. Misguided Child August 10, 2013 at 14:16 #

    Robin Thicke’s wife Paula Patton talks about it on Chelsea Lately.

    Semper Fidelis

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  35. Misguided Child August 10, 2013 at 14:19 #

    Sorry, wrong video. She was on more than once. This is the video where she talks about the Blurred Lines video.

    Semper Fidelis

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  36. Eric August 10, 2013 at 15:36 #

    You were a film major, right? If you decide to review it, I look forward to what you find. I’ll add that Moonrise Kingdom also reminded me of your blog because Suzy Bishop is a bitch. But she’s Sam’s bitch.

    Cousin Ben: You his girl?
    Suzy: Yeah.

    Anyway, there’s plenty more to pick out and I don’t want to narrow the field, except to say I think Ian Ironwood would find a lot to like in the movie, too.

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  37. judgybitch August 10, 2013 at 15:37 #

    I was a film major!

    I’d love some suggestions.

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  38. Oscar Calme August 10, 2013 at 15:59 #

    Description of Face is perfect. She was only an entity.

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  39. Eric August 10, 2013 at 16:01 #

    Thanks. I’ve heard Thicke comment on his wife’s reaction, but not heard it from her. Her response doesn’t sign-post with buzz words, but it’s definitely red pill.

    I get the impression that Thicke’s default is romantic white knight, but his wife is pulling him out of it.

    We are seeing glimmers, if not yet a trend, of women in the culture moving away, loudly, from feminist orthodoxy with their own red pill. (Women’s red pill is not the same as men’s red pill, though we have important common ground.) The vocal female personalities in the Manosphere aren’t the only elements of the female insurgency. Is it enough yet to overcome feminist counter-revolutionary measures? There’s only way to find out. Like the poet said, the first one now will later be last. The game never ends.

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  40. Oscar Calme August 10, 2013 at 16:09 #

    Tempted to say “Review the movie or make us all some sandwiches” but that would be inappropriate.

    Man Woman Myth has a short video on MGTOW in the movies which may give you some ideas. Cover Vanishing Point, Repo Man, The Last Starfighter and Big Trouble in Little China amongst others.

    Will get my thinking cap on?

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  41. Eric August 10, 2013 at 17:27 #

    I forgot to give you the Moonrise Kingdom script, which includes a few production notes: http://focusguilds2012.com/mrkscript/

    Given that Wes Anderson is known for the precision of his planning and direction, so that actors have commented that he leaves no room for improvisation, the changes from script to movie are interesting. In particular, Sam and Suzy’s dynamic in the film is partially altered from what’s in the script. If you do a review, I’d be curious about your take on the changes, too.

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  42. Dean Moriarty August 10, 2013 at 18:10 #

    I guess my dislike of the mask really only reflects on me, and my tastes. Forget I mentioned it.

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  43. Chris August 11, 2013 at 01:30 #

    Not available in my country. Typical YouTube.

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  44. Vitaly Klitschko August 11, 2013 at 07:53 #

    It’s very simple. Feminism is a cancer destroying normal relationships between men and women. Feminism wants to destroy traditional gender roles by pretending that gender differences are not innate both biologically and psychologically. The truth is that women find fulfillment in submission and will respect a dominant man.

    By embracing sexual promiscuity, feminism has denied all moral virtues. But in particular monogamy, chastity and self-denial. Sexual liberation and consumerism have ruined Western women, reducing them to the behavior of animals. By comparison, women have always been valued for motherhood. And still are in the East. The hard truth is that a man with any self-respect will neither marry nor reproduce with a promiscuous woman – for whom there are very many derogatory terms. This is why, for example, Southern European nations still espouse notions of “honor” and “shame” in relation to a woman’s chastity.

    No real man can be a “feminist” because he realizes that feminism will emasculate him and threaten any half decent chance he has of bringing up a family.

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  45. Dire Badger August 12, 2013 at 00:53 #

    ditto

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  46. freetofish August 12, 2013 at 16:09 #

    What a refreshing article by Ms.Murphy. Her kind of candor is exactly what is needed to be written about men and feminism to show pathetic white knights and “male feminists” what pieces of shit feminists really think you are.

    The push back again MHRM and MRA is that according to feminists, everything they are advocating for can be “solved” under the feminist umbrella once the wicked and evil “patriarchy” is overthrown. What Ms.Murphy reminds us is that really they don’t give a rats arse about men in their movement.

    3rd wave feminisms is nothing more than a Female Supremacist movement. Men have no voice or say in the gender debate. Sure they want you on the team as long as you shut the fuck up, say nothing and do nothing but be their echo chamber and worship all that is Fem.

    Any criticism of feminism or any women’s action or inaction by a man is misogyny. So shut the fuck up until they tell you exactly what to say.

    Where it gets confusing for us unevolved apes with a Y chromosome, is which ones are we supposed to listen to?
    The sex positive ones?
    The ones that think prostitution/strippers/porn can never be anything but exploitation?
    The ones that think Stay at home Mom’s are nothing short of slavery?
    The ones who think stay at home dads are amazing while still thinking stay at home moms are slavery?
    The ones who think no one should stay home but we should pay other people (usually a minority woman) to raise our kids and clean our houses?
    Why is it slavery to work as part of a team as the stay at home parent, but when paid minimum wage to do the exact same thing for someone else it’s all of a sudden positive?

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  47. freetofish August 12, 2013 at 16:18 #

    Interesting. Thanks for re-enforcing the point I was making in the comments on JB’s Honey Badger post from Aug 6th.

    In our times, men have no credible voice on gender.

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  48. Copyleft August 13, 2013 at 14:07 #

    The only sane response to “Don’t you respect women?”…..

    “Which ones?”

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  49. Emcee August 13, 2013 at 20:41 #

    I went back and read it, and it’s a fair point. But my view on the matter is more in line with what driversuz said:

    “There’s a twisted sort of irony here. Yes we have trained a couple of generations to listen to women. That means that women’s can (and must) be instrumental in re-training other women to listen to men. It sucks, but that’s because the system is broken, not because it’s inerently [sic] bad to listen to women.”

    For this reason, I think that female MRAs are very important to your movement. I’m starting to listen to more men because of them.

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  50. Emma the Emo August 14, 2013 at 07:07 #

    Trying to become a male feminist is like trying to please a narcisstic kidnapper and achieve a reasonable friendship with him.

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  51. JBfan August 17, 2013 at 08:27 #

    To be fair she DOES have a bit of a point, in the sense that if you call yourself a “feminist” or “male feminist”or an “ally” then you might as well practice what you preach or you come across as a goddam hypocrite. Take the slime all Kyle Payne for example, anti-porn, anti-strip clubs, Andrea Dworkin lover, oh-we-need-men-to-be-offended-ashamed-to-be-male-manhood-should-be-criminalised, turns out to have molested and videoed a drunk girl’s chest muffins when said lass was unconscious, and kept the video for 3 months before being caught red handed. I mean, God! What a hypocritical slime ball! (though it is nice to see a managing humiliated so badly -XD)

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  52. FUCKFEMINAZIS September 1, 2013 at 08:39 #

    what kind of shit did i just read

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  53. Miss Andrei September 1, 2013 at 08:41 #

    So essentially “don’t be a feminist”. Good advice.

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  54. Ellyson December 12, 2013 at 03:07 #

    Male feminists are more pathetic than female feminists. I don’t need an emasculated pussy against his own gender trying to suck up to me.

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  55. disenchantedscholar July 21, 2014 at 03:50 #

    Reblogged this on Philosophies of a Disenchanted Scholar and commented:
    This is why they’re called feminazis. They want to control EVERYTHING and they’re still unhappy nags.
    Regardless, you can chop your dick off and they’ll still hate you. http://disenchantedscholar.wordpress.com/2014/05/04/sexual-politics-feminist-opposes-acceptance-of-the-transgender/

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