Frat boy suggests talking to girls, asking them to dance, letting them take the lead and NOT RAPING THEM, and of course he’s the douchiest douchebag of them all. An exercise in being willfully blind.

8 Oct

http://totalfratmove.com/%CE%A6kt-member-from-georgia-tech-sends-rapiest-email-ever/

First up, I was reading back over some old posts that have gained, for some reason, new traction, and it’s fascinating to watch my own dawning awareness.

solipsism

I want to take this moment to own a bit of my own shit.  This blog has been accused of many things, but the one thing that irks me is when people accuse me of just making my stories up:  X never happened. I assure you, every single time I have ever offered a TRUE STORY, it’s been true.  Some motormouths over at FreeJinger can’t BELIEVE some trampy single mother didn’t care that her daughter was dancing nude in front of strangers on the internet.

http://freejinger.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19431

Sadly enough, it’s true.  I didn’t make a word of that up.

Others think there is something fishy about my claim that my kids have never been to daycare, and yet I’m doing a PhD and I’ve been offered a course to teach (it was for this September, and I declined). Sorry/not sorry, but I really AM doing a PhD and how in the everloving fuck did the fact that I’ve been out of the workforce for TWELVE YEARS escape these morons?

Anyway….

The accusations of being a member of the right-wing Christian tinfoil hat brigade are too stupid to contemplate. Yeah, I’m pro-gay marriage, I speak out against racism when I see it, I’m reluctantly pro-abortion and I’M A SELF DECLARED AETHEIST, so obviously I go to church eight times a week, right?

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The truth is, I can handle criticism.  “You should get raped and die” doesn’t amount to very compelling analysis in my mind, but I’m weird that way.  And the funny thing is that if you read back over some of my older stuff, there’s plenty to critique.  I’m not always consistent, and honestly, who the fuck is?

Way back at the beginning, I commented on the Steubenville rape case, which got some ANONYMOUS pretenders all up in arms – panties twisted in the biggest bunch you ever saw.  A quick “fuck you” sent them on their merry way, but it seems that post in particular is garnering new interest.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/03/19/hey-anonymous-fuck-you/

So I went back and read it.  And I came across this:

How do young women protect themselves from men being men?  They have friends.  They travel in groups.  They accept that their own decisions aren’t always going to be wise or accomplish what they hope to accomplish.  THAT is girl power.  Stick together ladies.  If you end up shit-faced drunk at a football party chasing after boys way out of your league, you need some good solid girlfriends to take you home and tell your mom you suddenly came down with the flu.

http://judgybitch.com/2012/12/18/a-shit-faced-drunk-girl-a-football-star-and-a-vigilante-feminist-the-makings-of-a-fairy-tale/

Look at that first sentence!  I can’t believe I wrote that.  How much would I go to town on another writer who uses “men” as a synonym for “rapist”? The correct sentence is How do young women protect themselves from rapists being rapists?

What a gigantic fail on my part.

I don’t have an EXCUSE for that, because there isn’t one, but I do have an EXPLANATION, which is completely different.  I won’t waste my time trying to spin some bullshit about how I was implying the word “rapist” and just accidentally used “men” instead, because not only is that intellectually completely dishonest, it’s not consistent with the kind of awareness I demand from others.

The truth is that we live in a culture steeped with the poisonous assumption that ALL men are potential rapists, and it is very, very difficult to scrub every last vestige of that belief from your mind, no matter how much you try.  I consider myself a pretty aware person, and yet, I make the same ugly assumptions as everybody else.

I will at least give myself credit for TRYING to redress that problem, and it is very much IS a problem. The following story is an example of what I am talking about – how we read our assumptions unconsciously into everything.  Not only are all men rapists, there is one man in particular who is super-rapey.

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The frat boy.  He lives in the imaginations of college-educated feminists as the Super Rapey Rapist of Them All, and no matter what his words actually say, they refuse to see anything OTHER than a rapist.  It’s hard to set aside such a deeply ingrained belief.  I understand that.  If I can be tripped on unconscious prejudice and hate, then so can everybody else, but this story in particular demonstrates just how fanatically feminists cling to the belief that men are rapists and nothing more.

Is there anything that stupid assholes love more than unfunny rape jokes? The latest installment in the saga of the neverending love affair between awful men and the women who don’t want to have sex with them comes from one of the Phi Kappa Tau brothers at Georgia Tech, and it’s a doozy. Called “Luring Your Rapebait,” it’s got everything a douchebag could want: rap slang, dude slang, and, most importantly, dick slang.

http://jezebel.com/bro-sends-awful-luring-your-rapebait-guide-to-entire-1442094485

Okay, calling your little missive “Luring Your Rapebait” is pretty stupid, but what does the letter actually say?

“Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party… If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!

Don’t leave girls standing around by themselves while you chat with your friends.  Circulate and make introductions.

Ok, if it is before midnight… A group of girls is standing around, grab a bro or pledge bro and go talk to them. First, introduce yourself and get their name, ask if they are having a good time, and then ask if they want anything to drink. If they say yes, walk them to the bar and tell them what we have to drink. If they say no and they look like they are in a sorority, ask them if they are in a sorority (DUH). If not, choose one of the following: where are you living, where are you from, have you been here before, how are classes going, or where all have you been tonight. Then proceed to have a conversation. IF THEY ARE HAMMERED AT ANY POINT BEFORE MIDNIGHT, JUST SKIP THE CHIT CHAT AND GO DANCE.

Ask her for her name. She’s a person, so ask her name.  Go with her to the bar and order a drink – she won’t have to worry about any date rape drugs. Make her feel safe.  Ask some questions that indicate an interest in her life.

Midnight or after, if you have been talking for awhile and they’ve had a couple drinks, ask if they want to dance. If you see an untalked to group or a solo girl, go up to her and ask if she wants anything to drink. If she says yes, get her a drink and then ask if she wants to dance. If she says no, ask her to dance. DANCING IS FUN!!!!! Always try to dance. If she does not want to dance and is with friends, say “aw thats no fun” (or something like that) and then ask one of her friends.

Don’t take rejection personally, and respect her choice about whether she wants to dance.

Here is how to dance: Grab them on the hips with your 2 hands and then let them grind against your dick. After that slowly alternate between just putting your hand across their stomach, but make sure don’t to go to high (keep it under the boob) or too low(dont try to finger her… yet). After a song, start putting your cheek on the side of her cheek. ALWAYS USE YOUR HANDS OR ARMS TO GUIDE THEIR DANCING in order to maximize your pleasure. If she starts putting her hair over her ear, THAT MEANS SHE WANTS A KISS. Therefore, try to give her a kiss on the cheek. They usually like that and nothing really should ebcome of it. In the case, go for the neck kiss. If for some reason they aren’t down for a cheek kiss, just dance through it or say you are going to get another drink and see if they want one. And then repeat from the beginning.

Let her grind against you if she wants.  Keeps your hands respectfully away from her crotch or breasts. Watch for signals from her about where she wants to take the dance. If you think she wants a kiss, start with her neck or cheek.  Respect her choices.

The lines may be blurred, but that doesn’t mean you can’t read them.

If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it’s awesome. Here is how to escalate: Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imagination. ALWAYS START WITH THE MAKING OUT!!!! NO RAPING.

Start with kissing and NO RAPING.  Uhm….. how is that not clear to anyone reading this guide?  No raping.  How does that get turned into an “unfunny rape jokes”?

A short guide consist of the 7 E’s of HOOKING UP! 1. Encounter (spot a girl or group of girls) 2. Engage (go up and talk to them) 3. Escalate (ask them to dance, or ask them to go up to your room or find a couch, depending on what kind of party) 4. Erection (GET HARD) 5. Excavate (should be self-explanatory) 6. Ejaculate (should also be self explanatory) 7. Expunge (send them out of your room and on their way out when you are finished. IF ANYTHING EVER FAILS, GO GET MORE ALCOHOL. I want to see everyone succeed at the next couple parties.

 

Try to turn a dance into sex.  Yeah, the guys at Georgia Tech are the first humans in history who enjoy casual sex.

And if it doesn’t work out?  Go get another drink and try again at the next party.

How is any of this a guide to rape?  The author explicitly says NO RAPING, and somehow this is a guide to rape?  Here’s how I think it works:  Jezebel and Jezzie fans are so deeply immersed in their beliefs about men and rape they are completely incapable of seeing any world view other than that.  Even when the words “no raping” swim in front of their eyes, they cannot see or comprehend what that means.

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It’s disturbing and understandable at the same time.  When I can confuse the words “rapist” and “men”, what hope do young women who are daily bombarded with the man=rapist message have?

I guess we just keep talking.  Try to be the voice in the wind that whispers the truth.  Hope to hell that one day they will hear us.  And obviously, we need to be vigilant about our own beliefs and be willing to take corrective actions.

I screwed up. I apologize.  I’m embarrassed and contrite. I made a mistake.

But here’s one thing I promise:  I won’t make the same mistake again.

I’ll make new ones!

And I hope you will call me out and make me own them when I do.

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Lots of love,

JB

34 Responses to “Frat boy suggests talking to girls, asking them to dance, letting them take the lead and NOT RAPING THEM, and of course he’s the douchiest douchebag of them all. An exercise in being willfully blind.”

  1. Just Hetero October 8, 2013 at 15:46 #

    JB:

    Love your stuff–in twenty years when feminist thought catches up to you they’ll call you a genius thought leader. For now get used to “asshole” (us guys have, welcome to the club).

    Thought: “line of condemnation”: That point at which intersexual relations become socially unacceptable. E.G.: Always acceptable: “Amorous. Swooning. “really into him/her” “HOT!”: Never acceptable: “Whore” “douche” “rape”. The list goes on with all points in between. Acceptability terms never change. They’re moral judgments that broader society has agreed on (i.e., normal people unlike those of us who actually think about this crap).

    But one way to look at it is not as a moral judgement–“is ____ being a golddigger?” or “Is ____ rape?” The real issue: who has control over power of sex. It’s not just about the emotional harm harm from an unwise encounter (who hasn’t spent years wincing with the memory of at least one “that one night I ABC’d that XYZ–yech!”, but jail?….)

    It’s about control–who gets to say “okay, let’s do it” and what can/can’t the suitor do to get in the door. Drugs? Out. Booze? Almost out. Money? Well, let’s see, cash is out. And it can’t be by credit card, or check. Unless it’s in the form of a nice dinner and a movie. And you have to lie to me about how I really am the fairest of them all. And then I get to drive your car.”

    But the behavior that fits those terms does change, and is largely influenced by whichever political group has hands on steering wheel; currently as you know VAWA/feminists (they’re heading for a crater soon, trust me in my blind faith). Ergo, “new rules!” Rape is still bad, but “rape creep” inches forward like a “thief in the night” (Thomas Jefferson on the judiciary) stalking and stealing imperceptibly until the frog is soup.

    Woman has sex before marriage pre-1950: “fornication”, do it for money? “prostitution”. 1960’s “revolution” and “independence”; 1986: “choice”, 1990’s “women’s prerogative” 2000’s “date rape if it’s not her idea.”

    Drunk girl tosses her clothes at a party 1985: “Gang bang with regrets all around”; 1995 “suspensions for inappropriate conduct”; 2000 “expulsion and police investigation” 2005 “on-campus trial with no due process, expulsion, derision, and near mandatory life sentences for “frat-boy rapists.” 2015?????

    You can run the same timeline analysis of “creeping definitions” for “domestic violence” “abuse” “sexual harassment” “gold digger” and a host of other gender-charged terms.

    The products of feminist influenced thought. A good thing, right? A sign of emancipation? Let’s see: First, it’s deceptive, and gives the reform movement a similar “queasy feeling” when asserted, so it’s gone underground. It avoids engaging the moral question in the political arena–“hey, let’s make “pushing it too far on a date” a crime, like rape, but not rape, but still bad.” That’s fair. That’s date rape.

    But definition creep avoids the political proving grounds–manipulation of minds; change the public’s definition of “rape”, “violence”, “abuse”, to “back door” fit definitions into morally repugnant crimes…. hmmmm.

    What’s behind this deceptive “definition creep”? Not safety (crime rates have plummeted since the 1990’s). Economics? Women are doing far better than ever. Overcoming social oppression? Well underway, whether or whatever it was, it’s going away whether feminists want to let go of it or not. But, how many feminists are standing up and saying “Okay,, we’ve equaled the playing filed here in _______ (education, workplace, harassment, etc.), let’s move on to doing something productive with all that power we’ve now obtained. Go to it ladies! Create!”

    Not happening. Why? Why aren’t women running wild with glee saying “wow! We’re richer, more educated, more free sexually, more intelligent, and have all the old advantages of womanhood including, yeah, you know, and more! Why are they instead turning their power not into creativity and worldwide joy, but into a battle to control others?

    Q1: Could a woman on a date with a guy she likes but not that much in 1950 say “no” to sex? Yes. Would it work? Yes 99.9% of the time if she meant it, and after that it’s a crime.

    Q2: Could a woman on a date with a guy she likes but not that much in 2013 say “no” to sex? Yes. Would it work? Yes 99.9% of the time. if she meant it, and after that it’s a crime.

    You’ve come a long way baby!

    Women’s progress: Not “Wow, look at what we’ve done that’s unusual, different, and inspiring to men and women alike!” but “From now on, what we say goes assholes!” Great post on these more authoritarian strains of feminism at ccfconline’s Facebook page (search for “the smoking gun”–actual research on the Family Justice Center).

    The battle of the sexes–now a “battle of the dictionaries” is far too much about >>control over sex<<. Women (some women) think that women as a whole "win" by condemning more and more territory over what men want in the territory that used to be "courting". Like a troll, a squatter, card shark, or a thief. Seduction? Forget that, but an indirect payment and some longer term security? Hmmm….. Victory in women's lib by enlightenment and awareness of how ladies can become independent of men, productive in their own identities, leaders of all society (not just other angry insecure women) and fulfill their own purposes, dreams, and existence? To fill the vast expanse of opportunity to exercise that new-found liberty to become leaders of women and men? To utilize the universal tools of reason, voluntary admiration by others, efficiency, and now new opportunity uniquely available to women, above all women in all of history? "No thanks. We'd rather do it the old fashioned way by converting the ancient, decrepit, morally empty tools of judgment, condemnation, petty peeves, over others n a zero-sum game power struggle over the same old steering wheel, just like the despicable bridge troll we thought we were overthrowing. Now move on. Nothing new to see here."

    Yeah. That sounds liberating.

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  2. Jesse October 8, 2013 at 15:58 #

    I don’t have a lot to say about the bro guide, but I do have to say that I’m a frequent reader and that it’s really nice to see a woman own her mistakes instead of bullshitting the blame away from her. Happy Halloween in advance.

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  3. Master Beta October 8, 2013 at 16:03 #

    I guess it’s probably the getting her drinks part which makes them call it rape. Which is absurd of course, she could just say no to the drinks after all, but I suppose that assumes that she has some sort of agency of her own.

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  4. judgybitch October 8, 2013 at 16:06 #

    Getting a girl a drink is now rape?!?!

    I thought that was the goal – get men to buy drinks for you.

    So women go to bars specifically to get raped?

    The conversation has really gotten that stupid?

    😦

    I guess it has.

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  5. Matt Chapman October 8, 2013 at 16:23 #

    “Jezebel and Jezzie fans are so deeply immersed in their beliefs about men and rape they are completely incapable of seeing any world view other than that.”

    Exactly. We ALL have frames (some way more rigid than others) through which we view/filter our experiences. The problem with Jezebel and the like is that they are so firmly convinced that their frame is the only one, the right one, that any attempts at trying to persuade them to see things from another angle = misogyny. It’s tough.

    Their frame can be boiled down to “men finding women attractive and desiring sex with attractive women is not normal, it’s deviant and rapey.” The mere presence of desire equals potential rape in their minds. Think about that for a minute.

    I dunno, I guess they think men shouldn’t express ANY desire towards women and just sit on their hands until a woman comes along and expresses desire for sex with THEM. Not sure how they dreamed up a world like that, but there you go.

    Actually, sometimes I think I’d really like to see a world in which men express NO desire of women and pay them NO attention. Then we’d see if that’s what feminists really want. I’m guessing no.

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  6. feeriker October 8, 2013 at 16:33 #

    Getting a girl a drink is now rape?!?!

    Only if the guy who buys/gives her the drink is some schlubby beta that she doesn’t even want to be on the same planet with.

    On that subject , although I’ve never seen it happen myself (I don’t frequent bars often enough anymore to be able to see things like this), I have to believe that it’s not terribly uncommon for chicks today to serve up “nuclear drink rejections” (“tell that creep I don’t want his fucking liquor and that he can shove it up his ass, glass and all!”)

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  7. feeriker October 8, 2013 at 16:35 #

    Actually, sometimes I think I’d really like to see a world in which men express NO desire of women and pay them NO attention. Then we’d see if that’s what feminists really want. I’m guessing no.

    That’s exactly what the MGTOW movement is all about.

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  8. zykos October 8, 2013 at 17:03 #

    It’s rape because it shows guys that there is a series of steps that are very easy to follow to get laid at a frat party, with girls who would never consider you in the first place. It’s rape because it gives a bit of power back to men, and prevents women from drinking irresponsibly without fear they’ll wake up the next morning next to someone they don’t want to (they want to be certain that the beta guys stay in their corner all night and the girls only land hot studs). It’s rape because every feminist who says so remembers she acted the exact same way when she was young, and it finally dawns on her that she fell into that trap. She was foolish, and taken for a fool. She feels taken advantage of. In other words, she’s been raped.

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  9. yacv October 8, 2013 at 17:07 #

    My two cents: When a feminist says “rape” she does not mean exactly the same as when you say “rape”. To her it means “a behaviour I conceptually do not approve of”.

    Like, when a man aims to have sex with a girl without being in love with her or at least giving large sacrifices of some sort.

    The “rape” in that case is the lack of adherence to HER script how a man should be. He rapes her world view.

    What a woman reasonably could object to in that piece is the honest goal: have sex. Not: Get to know a girl. Or: Be of use to a girl. Just: Try to get into bed with her. Forget her afterwards.

    When women do that, it’s empowering. When men do that, it’s rape. Rape of the rules how men should be.

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  10. Goober October 8, 2013 at 17:12 #

    It’s funny that you pointed that flub out, JB, because I remember very clearly that I was this close (holds fingers about a millimeter apart) from calling you on it. But I was new here at the time, and didn’t want to make a big deal about it as a guest in your living room. I was pretty sure I knew what you meant, and that you hadn’t meant what you’d written.

    Fact is, I and most of the guys that I know have had ample opportunity to take advantage of drunk chicks. I’ve never done anything of the sort, and on more than one occasion, I took care of drunk friends that were making poor choices and needed to be saved from themselves, both male and female.

    So the flub of “men being men” couldn’t be more untrue, at least in my opinion. But again, I was pretty sure I knew what you meant.

    As for this frat dude’s advice on how to get women into the sack at a frat party, he couldn’t be more spot on. That’s pretty much how it works, in my admittedly limited experience (I picked up my wife at a frat party, sort of. We didn’t officially “hook up” until about a month later, but we met and created a friendship there. Neither one of us was in a frat or sorority, but we had mutual friends that were).

    If I could add one more item to his list, which is really important, that is “don’t get slobbering, soppy-assed drunk” because I’ve seen guys doing quite well with a gal up until they had one too many and just turned into a total mess, and the gal, no matter how drunk, saw it and was driven away by it.

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  11. Jax October 8, 2013 at 17:14 #

    “I get a feeling he meant “No raping in front of witnesses” there”

    -Commenter on the Jez article.

    Because of course she’s a mind reader and knew what he “really” meant.

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  12. Goober October 8, 2013 at 17:18 #

    It’s funny that you pointed that flub out, JB, because I remember very clearly that I was this close (holds fingers about a millimeter apart) from calling you on it. But I was new here at the time, and didn’t want to make a big deal about it as a guest in your living room. I was pretty sure I knew what you meant, and that you hadn’t meant what you’d written.

    Fact is, I and most of the guys that I know have had ample opportunity to take advantage of drunk chicks. I’ve never done anything of the sort, and on more than one occasion, I took care of drunk friends that were making poor choices and needed to be saved from themselves, both male and female.

    So the flub of “men being men” couldn’t be more untrue, at least in my opinion. But again, I was pretty sure I knew what you meant.

    As for this frat dude’s advice on how to get women into the sack at a frat party, he couldn’t be more spot on. That’s pretty much how it works, in my admittedly limited experience (I picked up my wife at a frat party, sort of. We didn’t officially “hook up” until about a month later, but we met and created a friendship there. Neither one of us was in a frat or sorority, but we had mutual friends that were).

    If I could add one more item to his list, which is really important, that is “don’t get slobbering, soppy-assed drunk” because I’ve seen guys doing quite well with a gal up until they had one too many and just turned into a total mess, and the gal, no matter how drunk, saw it and was driven away by it.

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  13. Exfernal October 8, 2013 at 17:33 #

    If the quick&dirty “Frat Boy Guide to Hooking Up” letter is not clear enough, perhaps this blog will be.

    If in your opinion the presence of women seems to bring less value to your life than you are willing to pay for with your effort, then why not GYOW?

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  14. Jason October 8, 2013 at 17:34 #

    I think what a lot of people seem to forget is that even if your goal is to “get” a girl drunk and get laid, that girl has chosen to get drunk. The frat boys didn’t force the alcohol down her throat or run an IV of beer into her. She ordered the drink. She picked up the glass. She went down that path.

    Oh yeah, the frat boy is getting pretty fucking drunk, too.

    From my experience, frat parties like this are not gangs of manipulative guys getting innocent women drunk, but two groups of very horny people willingly getting drunk to engage in casual sex.

    People fuck. Young people fuck a lot. We all get drunk to fuck more often because we’re addicted to dopamine. Frat parties facilitate this desire.

    If you’re seriously so naive as to think that college parties don’t have buttloads of sex going on, and you simply think that “having a good time” at these parties involves drinking and dancing, then you’ve led such a sheltered life as to be nearly useless to society. That goes for you dickless male feminists, too.

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  15. LostSailor October 8, 2013 at 18:29 #

    Rape has come to mean “Sex that a feminist somewhere does not approve of.” No actual evidence is required. Vague anecdotes are sufficient.

    I stumbled today across the case of Michael Shermer, a Ph.D., former college professor and executive director of The Skeptic’s Society (read: atheists). In August, he was called out on P.Z. Meyer’s blog as a rapist, based on an allegation by an unnamed woman, via email, that Shermer “coerced [her] into a position where she couldn’t consent and had sex with her.” The insinuation is that he “got” her drunk and had sex with her and she was upset afterward. That’s the entirety of the details. One non-anonymous “corroborator” claimed that at a conference social event, Shermer kept refilling her wineglass and “flirting” with her, even though she was married. She claimed that she “never” really drinks that much, didn’t realize how much she was drinking, but a friend bailed her out and afterward she found his behavior “uncomfortable” and then “inappropriate.”

    Shermer seems like (from pics on his blog) a not unattractive guy who is probably quite social who likes chatting up women at social events, and if they are willing, to have sex with them. What an ogre. Note that the first accuser doesn’t say how she was “coerced” nor does she say that the didn’t consent to sex. The rather lawyerly phrasing that she couldn’t consent is telling, I think. She was upset afterward (who knows really why–something he said, turned her down for something more, simple regret?), so is was rape. She may have actually “consented” at the time, and I suspect she did.

    The woman who corroborates describes a scenario where she was engaging in playful, maybe flirty, banter with a not unattractive man who heads an organization whose conference she attends, and he poured her some wine. She didn’t say no to the wine, she just “didn’t realize” how much she was drinking. Perhaps because she was enjoying the witty banter and the attention–and maybe the buzz–and was having too much fun to notice? But when a friend found it all creepy, dragged her away, and reminded her she was married, the behavior became “inappropriate.”

    The result is a man’s reputation and perhaps life’s work is trashed based on unnamed accusations (which the community thinks is just fine), innuendo, and after the fact rationalizing.

    This is what feminine agency has come down to. Women fought to be independent, fought to get out from under the responsibility toward them of men. Except here: in these situations women have zero agency, zero independence, and the responsibility for their actions belongs once again to men. Progress!!

    As for the Jezzzzzable feminists I have two questions: first, you are aware of how people drink and dance on campus these days, right? And second, those girls who are going to a frat house party are hardly unaware of what happens at a frat house party, since that’s kind of the point of a frat house party in college.

    All in all, I found FratGuy’s missive rather tame overall and fairly respectful for a frat guy. Of course, soon even writing something like this will be defined as “Rape.”

    Damn it. Where did I stash that whiskey bottle…

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  16. Scallywagandvagabond (@ScallywagNYC) October 8, 2013 at 19:07 #

    The moral of the story? It’s never good to widely share your misogynistic sensibilities, but it is always okay to be one in private…(fraternity) women always swoon over that stuff…

    Masculinity in chaos and oblivious to what counts for etiquette…

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2013/10/georgia-tech-frat-brother-sends-mass-email-score-rape-bait/

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  17. Wilson October 8, 2013 at 19:12 #

    It makes much more sense when you realize that the most vocal feminists are lesbians. They’re the ultimate virgin ice queens, which of course is a strategy that appeals to normal women too

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  18. Jeremy October 8, 2013 at 19:42 #

    JB, I would suggest the following..

    Women *want* to believe all men can be rapists, because women *want* to be desired by men so much that a men exist who would lose control and take advantage of them.

    I am suggesting that the idea of forcible sex is not 100% negative to the female psyche. I am suggesting that this is why recovering from an actual, unwanted, physically-forced sex episode is sooo difficult for women, because deep down they actually DO want someone to do that to them, but not the situation that occurred. Because a horrific situation is now mentally associated with what should have been a life-altering, mind-shatteringly good sex episode, the female rape victim’s feminimity is forever shattered. I believe I can imagine some of that horribleness now that I think on it in those terms.

    For guys I would guess the psychological impact of rape is much easier. I have no desire to let another man penetrate me, so ALL of it is bad, all of it. There’s no twisted associations of good sex with rape for me.

    I am suggesting that NOT ALL physically/sexually dominant behavior by men onto women is unwelcome, hence a teeny tiny part of all women wants to be able to force a man to lose all rational control and “rape” her. How do you untangle a biologically-ingrained urge from an objectively BAD situation? I have no advice for the ladies on that one.

    I can promise you that I will never rape you…

    Unless it’s pretty obvious you do want me to lose control of myself.

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  19. judgybitch October 8, 2013 at 19:44 #

    The “rape fantasy”.

    Exactly the point I was making on YouTube.

    I really should make more videos but they’re so time-consuming!

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  20. Jeremy October 8, 2013 at 19:57 #

    Well, men have a similar problem. We want women to just love us for who we are, but women won’t and can’t. We convince ourselves that the ladies in our life love us for WHO we are, not what we can do. So when rejection comes, or when we see women head off for the greener pasture, it’s basically a non-recoverable situation. Our minds go nuts and we’re permanently confused because we were sure that woman loved us “for who were are”, when in reality she just went off in search of her alpha.

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  21. feeriker October 8, 2013 at 21:14 #

    Well, men have a similar problem. We want women to just love us for who we are, but women won’t and can’t.

    So when rejection comes, or when we see women head off for the greener pasture, it’s basically a non-recoverable situation. Our minds go nuts and we’re permanently confused because we were sure that woman loved us “for who were are”, when in reality she just went off in search of her alpha.

    I would venture to say that all of us as men come to realize this at some point in our lives before we reach the age of senility. How we react to it –whether we “go nuts” and become “permanently confused” or just shrug, recognize that “it is what is and there isn’t a damned thing we can do about it” and carry on with the rest of our lives– largely is a matter of what stage of our lives we’re in. If we’re young and uncommitted or in the first years of long-term commitment, such abandonment can be devastating. If we’re older, “battle-scarred,” and looking to just live the rest of our lives free of the never-ending drama that has robbed us of peace of mind for most of our youth and all of our middle years, we see it as a relief – or even a heaven-sent blessing.

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  22. Jeremy October 8, 2013 at 21:23 #

    Ya, I was just reaching for a parallel, not sure if I hit the mark or not.

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  23. Alex October 9, 2013 at 02:22 #

    we need a way to get into books. there are dozens that could show people how to be fucking human, and just as many fantasy novels that show how men and women SHOULD be interacting with each other. which is a topic i remember seeing you write about a while back, sometime around June maybe. the examples used were from a Game of Thrones and Pride and Prejudiced, if i remember right, though i’m uncertain if they were in the same post or how many posts were made about it they weren’t. might be one using Lord of the Rings for reference as well

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  24. PD October 9, 2013 at 03:57 #

    There are posters around the university where I volunteer with the campus/community radio station that declare that if someone’s drunk or high, it’s sexual assault because “consent is not present”. Ditto if someone lies to get what they want.

    So I guess the assholes who stick their wedding rings in their pockets are rapists now too. (I wonder what happens if he lies about being married such that she can’t consent due to the lie but he’s also drunk such that he supposedly can’t consent. Does it cancel out?)

    I suppose the original intent was that if someone was passed out drunk or incapacitated with drugs then clearly they can’t consent, but having the poster simply say “drunk or high” is BS. Technically, that could mean one puff of a joint knocks out consent. And what’s the line between buzzed and tipsy and drunk?

    So much crying wolf.

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  25. Dire Badger October 9, 2013 at 08:59 #

    JB-
    I know you had to get the article you eliminated out there, and I know why you took it down, but could you please replace it? It’s IMPORTANT. THIS is what men need to see, need to know.

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  26. Master Beta October 9, 2013 at 09:22 #

    “The conversation has really gotten that stupid?”

    Wasn’t it always that stupid?

    It’s not rape to buy a woman drinks, it’s rape if you buy her drinks AND have sex with her. So as long as the guy doesn’t have sex with her he’s okay. So I think that buying a woman drinks, with the intent of sleeping with her, is the same as intent to rape her. Something like that anyhow, this video should help explain it:

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  27. Lord Highbrow October 9, 2013 at 09:27 #

    Hey JB, when people question you about the mother not caring about her daughter parading around naked on webcam, send them this link:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2444634/Missouri-mother-posted-nude-photos-daughter-online-let-men-sex-her.html

    Crazy, no?

    As Professor Hubert Farnsworth would say ‘I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.’

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  28. Master Beta October 9, 2013 at 09:34 #

    A couple of my guy friends and I, back in University days (think I was 19/20), once piled objects on top of a passed out drunk girl. It was in my room, so she was passed out on my bed, and I can’t speak for the other guys there but the thought of doing anything even remotely sexual to her never even crossed my mind. We just put as much stuff on her as we could – which was a lot. Mind you, this was before I learned that I, along with all men, am a rapist. Perhaps I would behave differently towards a woman passed out on my bed now that I’ve been told by feminists what the proper male response is.

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  29. James October 9, 2013 at 10:28 #

    I was going to post something about the fraternity letters on Frat Guy’s chest not matching up with the quote from the Jezebel article and then I realised retroactively I’d nerd-sniped myself.

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  30. SK October 9, 2013 at 19:37 #

    I read somewhere that some radfems think that “in our current culture, ANY act of heterosexual sex between a man and a woman (especially penis-in-vagina penetration) IS rape, because “women as a group don’t have enough power in our society to give consent”

    WTF

    So everytime I want to have sex with a lady I have to ask permission to the entire female gender?

    I find this feminist obsession with “groups” and “collectives” to be highly annoying.

    The marxist poison runs deep in feminist thought (And I say this as a left-wing man).

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  31. LostSailor October 9, 2013 at 19:48 #

    “No PIV” is very much a cornerstone of Radical Feminism. (Though why they had to go an invent a term when the perfectly good “coitus” would do is beyond me. Probably because a guy came up with it.)

    RadFems don’t consider coitus as sex at all. So, yes, because women are oppressed, they cannot give meaningful consent and therefore all coitus is rape.

    So everytime I want to have sex with a lady I have to ask permission to the entire female gender?

    No. The point is, if RadFems had their way, you wouldn’t be having sex of whatever stripe with a lady at all. Ever. So asking is irrelevant.

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  32. Brendan October 9, 2013 at 20:43 #

    My guess is that the vast majority of heterosexual feminist women don’t want to be burdened with the obligation to initiate sexual contact with men. They’d rather hold fast to the status quo, with the exception that only appropriately alpha men who can intuit a woman’s every desire and thereby gauge the appropriate response to every test she throws at him at will should be allowed to express heterosexual attraction and initiate sexual contact. What constitutes an appropriately alpha male is subjective and completely contingent on an individual woman’s will, which is always subject to change without the slightest notice. The burden of divining such changes rests squarely on the man.

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  33. Shaun Livingston October 9, 2013 at 21:36 #

    If you grind against my hard cock and then come back to my room, what do you think we’re going to, watch Love Actually?

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  34. labbygail October 10, 2013 at 08:50 #

    This is a very courageous post because the behavior described is very crass, almost disgusting. It’s easy to defend men acting nobly and hard to defend them acting terribly. It’s chilling to see it spelled out.

    I would like to see a feminist saying that attending a frat party and getting hammered implies consent. Who in the world doesn’t know what free and copious alcohol means? Why would they even be there if they didn’t want to get drunk enough that casual sex seemed like a good idea?

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