Do women have special privileges that men don’t have? Let’s take a look at Lexus_Lutherism’s poster.

18 Oct


Here is the poster:

feeemaleprivilege (2)

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1oeunq/i_made_this_poster_about_patriarchy_and_female/

Let’s take the first 20 items and see what we can find.

1. Lower chance of being a murder victim

Correct.  In 2010, there were 10 058 male victims and 2 918 female ones.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl01.xls

2. Lower chance of committing suicide

Correct. In all countries tracked by the World Health Organization in 2011, except for China and Sao Tome & Principe (I had to Google that – it’s an island nation off the coast of western Africa).  In every other country, far more men than women commit suicide.  In some countries, the differences are stunning.

Country Rate for Men (per 100 000) Rate for Women (per 100 000)
Sao Tome and Principe 0.0 1.8
China 13.0 14.8
Lithuania 61.3 10.4
Russia 53.9 9.5
Belarus 48.7 8.8
Hungary 40 10.6
Guyana 39 13.4

http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide_rates/en/

3. Lower chance of physical assault

Correct.  The Bureau of Justice Statistics figures for 2008 report that for all personal crimes including rape and sexual assault, the rate of victimization per 100 000 was 21.9 for men and 17.8 for women.  When only assault is considered, the rates are 18.3 and 14.4 respectively.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv0802.pdf

4. Longer average lifespan

Correct. In 2010, life expectancy for US men was 76.3 years, compared to 81.1 years for women.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

5. Less work related injuries

Correct.  In 2011, the rate of work related injuries for men was 128/10 000 and 104/10 000 for women.  Nurses are the women most likely to be injured.  Nursing is one of the only really useful things that women do, and the only physically demanding job dominated by women.

Shout out to nurses.

nurse

http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/archives/osh2_11082012.pdf

6. Less work related deaths

Correct. In 2010, 4 322 men were killed at work, compared to 368 women.  Men worked 56% of all the hours recorded by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, while women worked 44%.  Men suffer 92% off all fatal work injuries relative to their hours worked.

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfch0009.pdf

7. Shorter/easier criminal convictions

Correct.  Women are less likely to be convicted of the crimes for which they are charged, and when convicted, they receive on average half the jail time that men do, if they are jailed at all.

This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002

8. Circumcision is illegal

Correct.  The Girls Protection Act makes female genital cutting a crime.  It remains legal in every state to cut the genitals of male infants.

http://www.equalitynow.org/node/866

9. Draft Immunity

Correct.  Only males are subject to Selective Service Registration.

http://www.sss.gov/default.htm

10. Divorce/Family Court Bias

Correct.  17.8% of fathers had legal custody of their children in 2009, the latest year for which the US Census Bureau offers statistics.  While some women may argue that the bias is justified, there is no question that the courts are in fact biased, awarding custody to women in 5 out of 6 cases.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-240.pdf

11. More scholarships available

Uncertain.  Scholarships.com lists 11 scholarships specifically for men, and 4 for women.

http://www.scholarships.com/financial-aid/college-scholarships/scholarships-by-type/womens-college-scholarships-grants-and-fellowships/

stem

A large amount of federal grant money is channeled towards STEM fields, in which men continue to dominate at all levels of study, strongly suggesting that most of that money will go towards men.

http://stemgrants.com/

12. High college acceptance rate

Incorrect.  More women attend college than men, but also apply in greater numbers and therefore face higher rates of declined admission.  Men actually have the advantage here, because they are relatively rare on campus, and in order for elite colleges in particular to keep their gender balance at 50-50, men are given preferential treatment.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2009/11/18/us-civil-rights-commission-investigates-college-admission-bias

13. Less likely to drop out of college

Correct, however the reason for that is rather interesting.  Men’s tolerance for debt is lower than women’s, so once the debt load gets too high, men re-consider the return on investment, often reaching the conclusion that the degree is not worth the money.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/cepr-blog/gender-debt-and-dropping-out

14. Emotional encouragement

Seems intuitively true, but hard to verify with statistics.  When you consider that virtually all primary school teachers are women (98.1%), and combine that with the startling prevalence of single motherhood, there are an awful lot of boys being raised in complete isolation from male role models.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.pdf

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/25/fathers-disappear-from-households-across-america/?page=all

Doesn’t seem a big stretch to me that girls are raised in environments structured around their needs and surrounded by other girls and women and constantly encouraged, while boys do not have that privilege.

15. Hypergamy

It means the desire to marry someone of higher social status than yourself.  And yes, men are most attracted to beauty and women are most attracted to high social status when it comes to mate selection.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23915041

16. Cheaper healthcare

Partially correct.  Young women pay higher premiums than young men, and older women pay lower premiums than older men, mostly because of usage patterns.

https://www1.aetna.com/about/aoti/aetna_perspective/roleofgender.html

17. Better healthcare

Correct.  Men’s healthcare is underfunded globally.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/05/17/184771915/the-unsafe-sex-should-the-world-invest-more-in-mens-health?sc=ipad&f=1001

http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/

18. Control over 60% of US wealth

Correct.

women-purchasing-power-infographic-spending

http://www.businessinsider.com/infographic-women-control-the-money-in-america-2012-2

They don’t earn 60% of the wealth, but they control it.

US_gender_pay_gap,_by_sex,_race-ethnicity.001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

19. Reproductive rights

Correct.  Women have three options available to them when confronted with an unintended pregnancy they do not want or a child  for whom they do not wish to assume financial and legal responsibility.

  1. They can abort the baby before it is born
  2. They can refuse to identify the father and place the baby for adoption
  3. They can surrender the baby under safe haven laws

Men have zero legal options when confronted with an unintended pregnancy they do not want or a child  for whom they do not wish to assume financial and legal responsibility.

20. Women’s Shelters

Correct.  There are 1500 women’s shelters in the US, and to my knowledge, zero shelters specifically to protect men from violent partners.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/facts.htm

homeless

There are, however, more homeless shelters than there are women’s shelters.  Around 4000, and since most homeless are actually men, I guess technically, men have more shelters than women.

http://www.shelterlistings.org/

Pyrrhic victory?

Hmmm.  Well, that’s interesting.  It turns out that most of Lexus’ claims about female privilege are true.  All the more curious that Manboobz has a post up mocking Lexus.

http://manboobz.com/2013/10/14/ladies-what-are-your-favorite-unchecked-feeemale-privileges/

What’s that saying again?

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Lots of love,

JB

60 Responses to “Do women have special privileges that men don’t have? Let’s take a look at Lexus_Lutherism’s poster.”

  1. Liam October 18, 2013 at 15:09 #

    I like this a lot, but I take issue with a few items, most notably the suicide rate.

    Yes, it indicates that men either are subject to higher stress levels, are less capable of dealing with stress, or have fewer outlets to help them deal with stress, so it definitely indicates a gender DIFFERENCE, but I’m not sure it’s a privilege.

    Suicide is a choice. It’s one I struggle regularly to keep from taking, by the way, so this isn’t just a theoretical for me.

    But to say that more men take the choice than women is a privilege for women is… a stretch. It may (as I said) indicate the privilege of lower stress, or of more outlets for coping with stress, or whatever. Or might simply indicate that we men are bigger wimps and “cop out” easier. (I don’t believe that, but without scientific evidence, I have to list all of the possible explanations I can think of.)

    But still, on balance, a good list. Thank you!

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  2. judgybitch October 18, 2013 at 15:15 #

    I took it as “women aren’t subjected to the kinds of stresses that motivate suicide”.

    The privilege is being generally free from the conditions that prompt suicide.

    Veteran suicide rates are a great example of that. Women may be in the military, in combat zones, but they are rarely subjected to the kinds of situations that trigger PTSD so severe, suicide becomes an option.

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  3. Liam October 18, 2013 at 15:19 #

    Agreed. It just stood out to me as… poorly phrased, I guess.

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  4. jabrwok October 18, 2013 at 15:30 #

    A related point might be that women have far more support structures in our society (can’t speak for other, non-western, societies) than do men, so those who might consider suicide get the help they need while men are left to fend for ourselves.

    It might also be a communication thing. Women might be more likely to talk about their problems and get help than men who are more inclined, either by nature or socialization, to try not to impose our problems on others and deal with them ourselves.

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  5. Josh October 18, 2013 at 15:36 #

    From cave man days to the wild wild west men have had the advantage of physical size. We are now in a period during which order is enforced and en-grained in our lives. Physical size is no longer an advantage as there are weapons to counter it. I presume that is the core reason we are now seeing a shift in power.

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  6. Feminism Is A Lie October 18, 2013 at 15:46 #

    I agree. I also think that women are more likely to attempt suicide as a cry for help and then, should they survive, they have available to them various support networks and various treatment options. Men on the other hand will bottle up their problems and I think the reasons are various, but all intertwined – different ways of communicating, less support networks available for men, socialisation, etc. However, men will carry these problems with them until they finally decide enough is enough and once they choose to go through with suicide, they choose a method which will ensure a very final death, not one that will be a last-ditch attempt at a cry for help. I think men choose very effective methods of suicide because once they’ve decided on that option, they maybe, tend to see no other way out, no support networks and no possible solution to their problems other than death itself. I know I’m generalising and making assumptions here though, not saying that every man who has committed suicide goes through this exact process.

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  7. Tyler October 18, 2013 at 16:11 #

    If size is no longer a determinant of power, then intellect and skill set surely are. And, as JB has pointed out several times recently, men utterly dominate STEM, medicine (except for nurses), law, and finance fields. So the tangible power still rests in the hands of men, except for one big exception:

    Politics.

    Yes, a majority of house/senate members are men, but there is no denying that women are incredibly effective at organizing political movements, arguably more so than men. And that’s the root of the problem: men are legally bound from defending their interests, using the power they’ve earned (double-entendre intentional).

    Divorce court? How many women would elect to become screaming harpies if they knew the primary earner in the house could evict her if she doesn’t appreciate him?

    Custody bias? How many children would be raised on feminist dogma if husbands could step in and call BS without fear of having his children taken in divorce?

    Domestic violence/abuse? How many women would smack their husbands if they knew he could smack them back without going to jail?

    Reproductive rights? How many women would bring unwanted children into the world (the single highest predictor of future criminality) if they knew that a man could legally relinquish parental rights and obligations?

    Men may have earning potential and physical strength, but women have the trump card: Big Daddy Government, who will knock down any man (no matter how rich or powerful) who tries to defend himself. Take that protection away, and the situation will correct itself within a generation.

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  8. Wilson October 18, 2013 at 16:33 #

    Everything being equal, it does contradict the claim that society caters to men and makes their lives easier. Of course males have higher rates of serious mental disease like schizophrenia, so you’d have adjust for that if you want to prove something about the quality of life of average men. Your hypothesis that men might be “wimps” too weak to live certainly isn’t compatible with arguments for sanctions against them

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  9. chefyc October 18, 2013 at 16:45 #

    Reblogueó esto en Los españoles se merecen saberlo, por la Paz y la verdadera Igualdad en España!y comentado:
    ¿Las mujeres tienen privilegios especiales que los hombres no tienen? Vamos a echar un vistazo al cartel de Lexus_Lutherism.

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  10. James Thrice October 18, 2013 at 16:53 #

    Do me have higher rates of schizophrenia? Schizophrenia and bipolar syndrome run in my family exclusively on the women’s side.

    I had to raise my bipolar schizophrenic elder sister up through to high school. Doctors refused to diagnose her despite the fact it was obvious that she had personality or mental disorders because they didn’t want to ‘label’ her. Meanwhile, when I was four I remember the state (I won’t say which for anonymity reasons) was quick to diagnose my seven year old foster brother with a personality disorder and he still lives in a prison . . . err, excuse me, an ‘institution’ to this day.

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  11. James Thrice October 18, 2013 at 16:56 #

    Excuse me, I meant ‘Do men have hire rates of schizophrenia’.

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  12. James Thrice October 18, 2013 at 16:57 #

    Crap. ‘Higher’. I’m on a roll now *shakes head*. I’m going to go to bed now.

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  13. LostSailor October 18, 2013 at 17:05 #

    Actually, women have always had special privileges, especially in modern pre-feminist society. Many of them are included in the list (which, over all, strains a bit to make it’s point; hypergamy isn’t a “privilege” it’s an inherent trait).

    Women have generally lived longer; enjoyed greater protection from society (men); worked easier, less dangerous job; been exempt from military service; etc. And it was labeled “oppression” by feminists. Now, one would expect that all this “oppression” would be rejected by feminism and feminists. After all, wasn’t that the point of the movement?

    Eh, not really. Feminists want to retain all of those former, oppressive privileges, just all it something else. Feminists are pretty good at relabeling things to avoid painful cognitive dissonance (e.g., “rape victim” becomes “rape survivor” because, you know, rape is usually a fatal condition and you’re lucky to “survive”). But the got to add new privileges, such as biased court systems, preferential treatment by social and government institutions, and reproductive rights without reproductive responsibilities. And they want to continue adding more privileges, especially if they can be gained at the expense of men.

    Dave Futrelle can only mock the concept, because he can’t actually engage the concept without revealing the fundamental lies of feminism.

    Pay no attention to the feminist behind the curtain…

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  14. Jay October 18, 2013 at 19:40 #

    “13. Less likely to drop out of college

    Correct, however the reason for that is rather interesting. Men’s tolerance for debt is lower than women’s, so once the debt load gets too high, men re-consider the return on investment, often reaching the conclusion that the degree is not worth the money.”

    Not sure anyone has this correct yet.

    When I went to school, if someone had asked me why men might drop out earlier, I would have thought it was because men often had families they needed to support, either their wife and kids or their parents and the family business.

    You say that it’s due to thoughts re the tolerance for debt but the study you point to says its not the tolerance for debt itself but that there is no real wage penalty to dropping out early for men. I think THAT is supposed to make me feel bad about wage gaps but instead it tells me that the difference in entry level pay between plumber, construction worker, and dude with liberal arts major isn’t that different. Would you like fries with that?

    On the other hand, this could just say a lot about degrees outside of STEM being pretty worthless these days (as well as how many jobs we see that somehow require college degrees but don’t actually need them.)

    Jobs of women without college degrees:

    hair stylist, retail, secretary, fast food, waitress, baby sitter, porn star

    Jobs of men without college degrees

    retail, fast food, waiter, short order cook, plumber, construction, automotive (repair, body),

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  15. sybil October 18, 2013 at 20:15 #

    Thanks so much for compiling these stats. There have been many times I’ve tried to explain these points to people, but haven’t had the evidence at my fingertips. I’ve bookmarked it!

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  16. Chemical Serenity October 18, 2013 at 20:40 #

    It’s complex. See: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/schizort/2012/916198/

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  17. Chemical Serenity October 18, 2013 at 20:44 #

    I’d suggest that hypergamy, while certainly a common trait, is also a privilege — insomuch as its socially acceptable for women to be hypergamous (to be on the lookout for the Bigger Better Deal in men) than it is for men to be on the lookout for a younger, more attractive woman. The list itself doesn’t have a whole lot of room to add nuances like that though.

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  18. Chemical Serenity October 18, 2013 at 20:48 #

    Men make great hair stylists, and the last plumber we had in was a woman. There’s nothing preventing penetration of those job areas based on gender. There may not be a whole lot of motion towards those “non-traditional roles”, but there’s few obstacles in pursuing them.

    May be a bit tough for a woman in construction though. Physical demands are hard to overcome with social changes.

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  19. Goober October 18, 2013 at 22:13 #

    So, sort of off-topic…

    I found out last night that Mrs. Goober is pregnant with mini-Goob #2.

    This morning, I went into the kitchen after my shower, and she was making lunches for her and I and the little one #1. Ham sandwiches.

    She hadn’t put on shoes yet.

    I just stood there grinning like I’d swallowed a canary until she looked at me, saw that I was really enjoying something that she wasn’t privy to, and asked me what I was smiling at.

    I shook my head, didn’t say anything. Told her “nothing”. I went about my routine, sort of figuring that she’d work it out eventually, and that I’d be “in for it,” big time once she did. I couldn’t stop grinning.

    It took her about ten minutes to realize what had me so tickled. She threw a towel at me in fake disgust and started laughing. Hard.

    In the kitchen, barefoot, pregnant, and making me a sandwich. What a gal!

    She was playfully pissed. I’m thinking that if she hadn’t already finished making that sandwich that she’d have made me make my own. So fucking funny… I’m laughing about it now as I write this.

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  20. judgybitch October 18, 2013 at 22:15 #

    OMG!

    Congratulations!!!

    That’s wonderful news!

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  21. Goober October 18, 2013 at 23:29 #

    Boy. Boy. Boy.

    Tall, strong boy….

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  22. Gregory Price October 18, 2013 at 23:40 #

    “Domestic violence/abuse? How many women would smack their husbands if they knew he could smack them back without going to jail?”

    That’s not… god you’ve got this backward dude. Should be..

    Domestic violence/abuse? How many women would smack their husbands if the police actually enforced the law appropriately and didn’t default to believing the woman and/or arresting the man because he happens to be “more likely to do harm”?

    Smacking back is never an answer to domestic violence.

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  23. Tyler October 19, 2013 at 00:19 #

    Which does more harm to a relationship and a life: a bruised face and ego, or jail time and a criminal record? Domestic disputes are best settled without involving the state.

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  24. comslave October 19, 2013 at 02:35 #

    whatever it is, I hope it’s highly privileged.

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  25. Ed October 19, 2013 at 02:59 #

    And when women ARE exposed to conditioning they’re considerably more likely to develop PTSD than men.

    http://timemilitary.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/ptsd-fear-ucsf-inslicht.pdf

    (This study is meh because of the small number of participants, but there are other studies that have found a similar result.) This suggests that the effect of women being protected from stressful situations (in the military and otherwise) is even greater than it appears because if women developed PTDS at the lower (relative) rates than men do, there would be even fewer women with PTSD.

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  26. Ed October 19, 2013 at 03:15 #

    Liam, do not go gentle into that good night.

    http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15377

    You have miles to go before you sleep.

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/171621

    It’s sad that poetry, a classic outlet for men to express emotions, has been “wussified.” (Good chance this has to do with 98% of primary school teachers being women.) This probably also relates to the soap opera/sitcom depiction of men as only being capable of feeling lust or rage. If that were a true depiction, The Ballad of Birmingham would have been written in lead rather than ink.

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/175900

    And Christmas Bells would not exist.

    http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16819

    Good luck.

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  27. Goober October 19, 2013 at 04:13 #

    It will be.

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  28. patriarchal landmine October 19, 2013 at 06:23 #

    every privilege that women have is either something men do not have, or something men share to a small degree.

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  29. gwallan October 19, 2013 at 09:30 #

    The past half century has also seen male-only environments disappear to a large extent. The places where men and boys might develop support structures have virtually been banned.

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  30. Nicky October 19, 2013 at 10:25 #

    Congrats Goober!

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  31. Nicky October 19, 2013 at 10:44 #

    Way back when I first saw the ‘male privlege checklist’, I went through it, writing the equivalent female privilege for almost every one of them. I did that before I was even aware anyone except me was disillusioned with feminism, before I knew about half of the stuff on Lexus’s list. Just the other side of the coin from my own observations of the world. Maybe 2 or 3 of the items out of 35-45 couldn’t be turned around.

    So, the question at the end ‘Can you think of any more?’ Yup. The big one for me is freedom of expression. A woman has the freedom to make far wider choices without social censure on hairstyle, clothing, make-up…. yet these were listed in the male privilege checklist as MEN’S privilege – not to ‘have’ to spend time and effort on make-up, clothes, hair etc. That pissed me off soooo much. (And that’s without going into freedom of speech (misandry), freedom of choice to work or stay with the kids,etc.)

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  32. Cadders October 19, 2013 at 20:41 #

    Anybody else read that list and think it shows that our modern expectations of women amount to about what we’d expect from a retarded child? Cos that’s about the only condition I can think of that requires that level of support and assistance and favoritism.

    Most women I know certainly don’t need it. Of course most women I know aren’t trying to be men.

    50 years of feminism has tried to teach women that the only ‘true’ life path is to be men and has re-engineered society to try to make it so. It won’t succeed though – human nature is too strong. Just a shame it has taken decades of aborted babies, drugged boys, sexualised girls, destroyed marriages, fatherless children and childless women to see it.

    I sense that we’ve reached a point where the truth can no longer be suppressed. Interesting times lie ahead, I think.

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  33. feministx October 20, 2013 at 05:46 #

    Judgybitch, I am new to your blog so I have not read much of it. Is your understanding of “female privilege” confined to the first world or do you think this is universally present?

    Do you think women lead relatively privileged lives in Iran, Afghanistan, India etc?

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  34. brigadon October 20, 2013 at 14:22 #

    about half the stuff on the list needs to be eliminated entirely from law. The other half exists because of the first half 😛

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  35. feministx October 20, 2013 at 15:45 #

    I want to know why feminists tend not to discuss the following-

    There is something peculiar in that table. In almost every country, the suicide rate of men is not only higher than women’s, it is 3-5 times as high as women’s.

    However, notice how small the disparity is in Bahrain and Kuwait, where honor killings are an expected practice for families who want to rid themselves of an uppity woman:

    Bahrain male 4.0, women 3.5. Kuwait 1.9 male, female 1.7.

    I doubt this is a case of more women committing suicide relative to men because Bahrain and Kuwait are rich countries with very high living standards, so I do not think that women are so extra specially miserable there that they commit suicide at a much higher rate relative to men. That is probably a case of families murdering women and reporting it as suicide. And in those countries, women might be more likely to be murder victims than men.

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  36. Cid October 20, 2013 at 21:24 #


    This video by Karen (girlwriteswhat) describes “privilege” in other countries quite well.

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  37. Goober October 20, 2013 at 21:28 #

    Shes already spoken to that several times. In short, taking the risk of speaking for her, she’s pretty much convinced that feminism is for rich white women only, because most of the rest of the women on earth are too busy surviving or dealing with actual inequality to be involved in a petty greivance-mongering movement more concerned with #firstworldproblems than the actual gengder inequalities that exist elsewhere on earth.
    #solidarityisforwhitewomen. Take a look at that hashtag.

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  38. The Spideron October 20, 2013 at 22:01 #

    There is indeed considerably less pressure on women to ‘succeed’ financially and career ambition is not the only option available to them. A woman can reinvent herself as a mother or as a full-time carer and she will usually be praised for doing so. Men, on the other hand, must have career aspirations; a man with an entry-level job, regardless of his success in any other (non-paid) field, is considered a failure. Even if his job brings in a regular income, if he does not have the status to go with it, finding a partner can be very difficult and people call his life choices into question.

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  39. Modern Drummer October 20, 2013 at 22:27 #

    Congratulations Goober

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  40. feministx October 21, 2013 at 01:39 #

    This cunt is delusional. Just because she lives in a society where she has never experienced or seen men oppressing women, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Most of what she said is factually inaccurate. It is disgusting for an educated person with freedom like she has to go about defending the Taliban.

    Facts she got wrong-

    1) Being at home made it safer for women than men who had to go out- Wrong. It is the natural state of mammals for the female to live longer than males. In taliban ruled Afghanistan, the state of women was so bad that life expectancy was estimated as less than men until recently. Hence, not more safe- they were dying at rates that defied normal biology.

    2) Being at home meant men were forced to be breadwinners- Completely wrong. In fact, whenever men could not find work, they sold their daughters to whoever would buy them- opium dealers, men 4 times their age, families who would prostitute them etc. Rather that acting as breadwinners, they relied on their daughters as commodities to sell in order to sustain themselves. This is still the case in Afghanistan.

    It’s a really bizarre belief that some white western people hold that their sense of chivalry extends anywhere beyond the western world. It does not. In South Asia and south asia extension (afghanistan), they will kill, sell, rape, molest you etc for being born a girl. And there is simply no equivalent fate for being born a man. There is no such thing as “women are forced into their role and so men are forced into theirs.” Pure BS. Women are forced into their role. Men are not forced to do much. They most certainly are not forced to be breadwinners. Ive got male cousins in India who don’t work. No one can make them do anything. This lady is so ignorant.

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  41. feministx October 21, 2013 at 01:47 #

    “Shes already spoken to that several times. In short, taking the risk of speaking for her, she’s pretty much convinced that feminism is for rich white women only, because most of the rest of the women on earth are too busy surviving or dealing with actual inequality to be involved in a petty greivance-mongering movement more concerned with #firstworldproblems than the actual gengder inequalities that exist elsewhere on earth.”

    I agree with this. I feel alienated by feminists because they put 99% of their efforts into things like this-

    http://jezebel.com/5951863/when-perfect-isnt-enough-the-unretouched-images-victorias-secret-doesnt-want-you-to-see/

    If you look with a microscope, there was photoshop on the model. Egads we are all oppressed by the white western beauty standard. Meanwhile women in Asia and the Middle East are being slaughtered in their infancy for being girls by the million, forced into child marriage, denied elementary school level education and more in addition to facing general poverty men do as well. These things get token mentions at best from major feminist outlets from what I can see.

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  42. Alex October 21, 2013 at 02:49 #

    a lot of women only smack their menfolk BECAUSE of the police. if the police didn’t play as big a role, i’m certain domestic violence would take a very noticeable dip

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  43. Liam October 21, 2013 at 03:11 #

    Sooooo…

    Women deserve respect ONLY if you agree with them?

    What wonderful consistency with the message you send.

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  44. vagabond October 21, 2013 at 06:39 #

    Have you lived in Asia to have experienced these things….or are these some “facts” that you have read somewhere ?

    Firstly child marriage does not happen these days..and secondly why is it oppressive for women only – are’nt men also being forced into child marriage before they are capable of thinking for themselves. Mahatma Gandhi was married as a child to kasturbha – there is nothing oppressive about it – it was the way things were back then and people did’nt have a problem. Only people with modern sensibilities have a problem, as they do not understand the cultural mileu as well.

    As far as children being sold to slavery – again I won’t deny such things happen, but it’s not nearly as widespread as you claim it is….and it works for both genders. In india children as old as 7-8 old years start working; instead of being sent to school to study. It’s not a women’s issue, it is a poverty issue. Beyond a certain basic education level, knowing the names of three musketeers is not a luxury these people can afford, when working in a shop brings in more money and real life experience.

    Female infanticide is a problem, which is why there are very strict laws against it and doctors providing sex determination tests…as well as awareness in Media against it. All that can possibly be done is being done by Indians themselves. Foreign intervention is not required. In fact it is best if white people care about their own lives instead of taking the burden of civilizing the natives. We can manage on our own.

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  45. Master Beta October 21, 2013 at 08:58 #

    While this list is clearly for western countries, the US in particular, a lot of the things on the list apply to those countries too, but not all. The education being the most obviously untrue in those countries I would say. But life expectancy, less crime, and less prison time are all true of those countries you mention I believe.
    Also, I may have misunderstood what you meant by “relatively privileged”, but I don’t think anyone here is trying to claim that one gender is more privileged than the other, because how the heck would you measure such a thing? But merely trying to point out that there are advantages to being born female as well as disadvantages, likewise for men.
    I for one, would not like to comment on a country I don’t live in, whose main religion is one I know little about.

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  46. Master Beta October 21, 2013 at 09:07 #

    Have you seen this one?

    http://groupthink.jezebel.com/being-a-woman-in-public-1446742738

    And you think women (people) in Afghanistan have it bad!!

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  47. jw October 21, 2013 at 20:46 #

    Now that you have been writing about men and women for a year, it would be interesting to read your opinion today on the way your father brought you up and your relationship with your mother-in-law. Has anything change within you (thought or feeling)? Has the experience of educating yourself and judging others as a bitch, lol, healed you in anyway? Sometimes it takes years but it does happen, IMO.

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  48. Ed October 21, 2013 at 21:25 #

    JB, thought your take on this might be interesting. I’m finding it very easy to assume that these “therapies” are used predominantly against young men and very hard to imagine the reaction if they were used predominantly against young women.

    http://www.upworthy.com/something-sickening-is-happening-to-some-of-our-schoolchildren-and-you-probably-have-no-idea?g=2

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  49. Ed October 21, 2013 at 21:25 #

    ^ This def. Doesn’t need to be posted.

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  50. Ginkgo October 21, 2013 at 22:26 #

    JB, they are loving this over at the Mensrights sub-redddit.
    http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1oq81p/do_women_have_special_privileges_that_men_dont/

    And more than that, it sparked a good discussion.

    Thank you and well done.

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  51. Micha Elyi October 21, 2013 at 22:51 #

    Good points. I’ll add that “attempt suicide” is not the same as “indulge in suicide theater as an attention getter”. Also, let’s all be aware that people who expect their drama will get attention (a privilege, btw) are the most likely to play at attention getting.

    For more information on the topic I suggest reading The Myth of Male Power by Dr. Warren Farrell. Just about all of the points in the poster have been covered in various books by Dr. Farrell – all except the misspelling of “Michael” or “Michaela” (or whatever it was supposed to be), that is.

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  52. Micha Elyi October 22, 2013 at 05:01 #

    They (females) don’t earn 60% of the wealth, but they control it.
    –Judgybitch

    Who has more privilege, the one who labors or the one who spends? Only a Female Grievance Studies professor could be blind to something so obvious.

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  53. Nickycky October 22, 2013 at 09:19 #

    You know what the author of that piece is doing? She’s objectifying the man. Totally ignoring that he is an actual human being and only considering him in terms of how he might relate to her in a physical way. Imagining how it will be when/if he touches or talks to her. She is fantasising about him. The only real difference between what she *thinks* he is thinking, and what she is *actually* thinking is that hers is an unpleasant fantasy rather than a pleasant one.

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  54. redr0man October 23, 2013 at 15:24 #

    Excellent! Women, historically, have lived a very sheltered life when compared to men. Instead of taking pride in thanking the men in their life or raising great men themselves, the modern woman is trying desperately to become something she was never meant to be.

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  55. David November 1, 2013 at 00:43 #

    The idea that the courts gives custody to men one time is six is nonsense. The courts never give custody to men. Ever. If a man has custody of his kids then one of things happened. Either the mother didn’t want it or the court let the (12+ year old) “child” decide.

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  56. Liam November 1, 2013 at 01:20 #

    Or the mother is so desperate to move out of state and move in with the guy she’s been sleeping with that she agrees to give up primary custody because in order to fight for it, she’d have to stay in state until the case was done, and she’d have to convince the judge that, even BEING the mother, it was in the child’s best interest to be pulled out of his home town and moved to another state and in with a man his mother was not married to.

    In that (entirely hypothetical, I’m sure) case, the woman might decide that rather than put off moving in with her man-whore a minute longer than she had to, and not having the money to afford a divorce lawyer, she might as well just agree to the weekend custody and hope she could change things later.

    And then might regularly malign the father as “inflexible” because he’s not willing to renegotiate things that were settled in the divorce. And might, at one point, have the gall to call the father a “deadbeat dad” because he won’t voluntarily up the $250/month *HE* pays *HER* (while having his son 5 days out of 7), because that $250 “doesn’t even cover my gas back and forth to pick him up” (something which isn’t supposed to be covered under child support anyway).

    But of course, that sort of thing would never happen, right?

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  57. darksat May 19, 2014 at 04:29 #

    Sorry but it seems to me that anyone who feels that way has Anthropophobia or Androphobia. The story and most of the responses read.

    “I am terrified that I may have to interact with a man in public” or

    “Its so shocking that I am a complete pussy who is so scared of social interactions with men because I have been raised to view them all as sex offenders but I will probably totally loose the plot if for any reason when I finally decide I want to socially interact with them its not in a way that makes me feel totally safe, special and the centre of attention”

    or

    “Dont these men know that they should not be in my presence unless I desire them to be. Also they should only talk to me if they are a handsome prince who I will still obviously expect to make the first move and overcome my pathological shyness and insecurity”

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