Note to readers: In the fine tradition of Kate Harding and Amanda Marcotte, I have tried to deploy gentle, kind language in describing my reaction to this Huffington Post hit piece.
Alas, I think I may have failed.
I need to take a moment here to talk about the Men’s Rights Movement, because there seems to be some confusion. Actually, there seems to be a whole lot of confusion.
Oh, I’ll say. Do edumacate us, feminist genius!
Over the past little while, I’ve had a number of people challenge me on calling out men’s rights activists (hereafter referred to as MRAs).
Actually, the correct term is Men’s Human Rights Activists (MHRA) but pay no mind to them uppity negroes who wanna be called black now. Never can please them, so don’t even try.
“But men are oppressed too,” people say.
How do I oppress thee? Let me count the ways….
I am allowed to choose parenthood. You are not. Fuck off if you don’t like it and don’t have sex, you slut.
I can commit virtually any crime and I won’t get half the conviction rate or jail time as you, because I’m a girl and suck it, asshole.
Once I’m done with you, the children are mine. MINE! Did you hear me? You have no children. I fucked the garbage man to get these bastards, so go to hell, but drop your child support check off first, dickweed.
My breast cancer is totally way more serious than your whatever ass cancer is it you get I don’t really fucking care fuck off
Oh you had to sign your draft card when you turned 18? Cry me a river, ballsack. Have you even heard that the number of braids I can have in my hair is now restricted? Restricted? If I choose to join the military, that is. Which I could. Oh, you are required by law to agree to join the military? Boo fucking hoo. I’m supposed to care about that when my HAIR-BRAIDING CHOICES HAVE BEEN LIMITED?
“Feminism is sexist, and it teaches men that masculinity is wrong.”
Why talking about ‘healthy masculinity’ is like talking about ‘healthy cancer’
Gee, I wonder where they get that crazy idea from?
“Straight, white men aren’t allowed to be proud of themselves anymore.” “If you believe in equality, then you should want men to have the same type of activism as women.”
Yeah! Team equality! Why is it that women can choose parenthood, but men can’t? Why is that? I’m so confused. Kanye? Kanye and Jamie Foxx, where you at?
18 years, 18 years
She got one of your kids, got you for 18 years
“Everyone is entitled to their opinion.”
Indeed.
First of all, yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But let’s not pretend that all opinions are created equal – some are based on fact, and some are total bullshit.
Oh, like yours, for example?
Second of all, let’s get one thing straight: men, as a group, do not face systematic oppression because of their gender.
Department of Justice says fuck you, they don’t. There are far more men in jail than women and not because women don’t commit crimes. They don’t get convicted or sentenced at the same rates. Because vagina.
Family Law Court says fuck you, they don’t. Far more women than men are awarded primary custody of children following divorce.
Department of Education says fuck you, they don’t. There are more women earning college degrees than men. Not in anything particularly useful, mind you, but the money that might be used to train engineers and scientists (read: men) is being used to train Starbucks employees.
Center for Medicare says fuck you, they don’t. More money goes into women’s healthcare than men’s, despite the fact that men die sooner.
The World Health Organization says fuck you, they don’t. Men’s healthcare is underfunded on a global scale in favor of women’s health.
Am I saying that literally no men out there are oppressed? No, I am for sure not saying that. Men can and do face oppression and marginalization for many reasons – because of race, class, sexuality, poverty, to name a few. Am I saying that every white cishet dude out there has an amazing life because of all his amassed privilege? Nope, I’m not saying that either. There are many circumstances that might lead to someone living a difficult life. But men do not face oppression because they are men. Misandry is not actually a thing, and pretending that it’s an oppressive force on par with or worse than misogyny is offensive, gross, and intellectually dishonest.
I’ll just leave this here. Misandry is not a thing. Sure. Who is being intellectually dishonest here?
Protip: it might help if you acknowledge that yes, misandry is a thing, and then you can go full on Oppression Olympics and pretend it’s just not that bad.
MRAs believe that feminists are to blame for basically everything that’s wrong with their lives.
Yeah. Brilliant understanding of what the MHRM is all about.
It’s all about YOU cupcake! All the MHRM thinks about is YOU.
YOU, YOU, YOU!
Because duh. What else is there to think about besides pampered white ladies who had to walk up the stairs because the goddamn escalator repairmen were doing, well, who the hell knows what, but it could not be more important than my need to avoid scuffing my JIMMY FUCKING CHOOS.
The Men’s Rights Movement is a reactionary movement created specifically to counter feminism, and most (if not all) of their time and resources go towards silencing and marginalizing women.
Oh, you mean they’re busy silencing and marginalizing all the women prominent in the movement itself?
Those women?
Attention MRAs: you suck at the whole silencing woman thing. Just sayin’
They do things like starting the Don’t Be That Girl campaign, a campaign that accuses women of making false rape reports.
Something women neeeeeeeeeeeeever do, right?
They attend feminist events in order to bully and intimidate women
Oh, like the women who refused Dr. Janice Fiamengo the opportunity to deliver her lecture on men’s issues and feminism’s double standards?
Double standards? What double standards?
They flood online feminist spaces with threatening messages,
Sean R. Moorhead @SeanRMoorhead Mar 29
@deanesmay The difference: feminism, as a social movement of actual consequence, is justified in calling for violence.
Sean R. Moorhead @SeanRMoorhead Mar 29
@deanesmay @rhythm2x Good. MRAs deserve violence.
And they regularly use smear campaigns and scare tactics to make the women who don’t back down afraid for their physical safety.
Regularly, huh? Evidence? Please show me the smear campaigns and scare tactics that were deployed to make you poor wittle cupcakes afwaid for your safety.
They do literally nothing to actually resolve the problems that they claim to care about, and instead do everything they can to discredit the feminist movement.
Uhm, you don’t actually appear to need our help in that regard. This article, for example does more to discredit you than we ever could.
There are certainly issues that disproportionately affect men – the suicide rate among men is higher, as is the rate of homelessness. Men are more likely to be injured or killed on the job or because of violence. Men who are the victims of domestic abuse or sexual assault are less likely to report these things. These are the issues that MRAs are purportedly working on, and by “working on” I mean “blaming feminism for.”
Narcissist much? You seriously believe that the people attempting to actually have an impact on the lives of men and boys who are suffering give a fuck what you think? I know this is hard to grasp, but I’ll say it again: not every conversation is about you. Try and wrap your head around that, would you?
The problem is that none of these things are caused by feminism, or equal rights for women, or anything like that.
No one has ever said that feminism caused these issues. What I will claim is that feminism A) doesn’t give a fuck, and B) actively tries to prevent remedies from being enacted. Consider the issue of assumed shared parenting. The National Organization for Women has a policy statement opposing this idea because it might affect women’s ability to rape the wallets of their children’s father.
NOW also refuses to condemn women who deliberately poison their children against their fathers.
As a survivor of parental alienation, that one rankles in particular.
You know what’s actually to blame for a lot of these issues? Marginalizing forces like class and race, for one thing – I mean, it’s not rich white men who are grappling with homelessness or dangerous workplaces or gun violence.
Again, it’s not about blame, it’s about remedies. Who really cares why these issues exist. What are you going to do about them? That’s the real question. And are you standing in the way of solutions or helping to realize them?
You know what else is to blame? Our patriarchal culture and its strictly enforced gender roles which, hey, happens to be exactly the same power structure that feminism is trying to take down.
Oh please. Not this tired old argument again. How is it that on the one hand you can acknowledge that men are more likely to be homeless and commit suicide and on the other hand, insist that men are in charge of some giant power structure they created and wield for their own benefits? At what point does the cognitive dissonance set in for you? If men controlled the “power structure” do you really think they would use it to increase their own suffering? What the fuck is wrong with you, anyways?
The patriarchy has some fucked up ideas about masculinity, ideas that make men less likely to seek help for issues that they perceive to be too feminine – such as being hurt or raped by a female partner, not being able to provide for themselves, or not seeking help for health issues like depression and anxiety.
Uhm, no. Not really. It’s just that men know very well there are no resources available for them and they are conditioned by women to believe they need to suck it up and just be obedient little wage-earners happily handing over their cash every payday.
On a societal level, it means that resources are not as readily available for men who face these challenges, because patriarchal ideas tell our courts, our governments and our charitable organizations that men don’t ever need that kind of help.
Patriarchy tells men that???!?!?!? No darling, feminists tell men that.
Yes, the patriarchy overwhelmingly privileges the interests of men, but it also hurts men. It hurts men in all the ways that MRAs are apparently so concerned about, which means that you would think that MRAs would be totally on board with dismantling the patriarchy, but they’re not. Instead, they would rather blame women for their problems.
Do not conflate woman with feminist. Feminism is an ideological mindset, and one that many, many women do not share. MRAs do not concern themselves with “dismantling the patriarchy” because it doesn’t exist. This a deliberate misrepresentation of what MRAs actually do: criticizing feminists is not the same thing as blaming women, and no matter how many times you scream that it is, it isn’t.
See, the problem with the Men’s Rights Movement is that they are not doing anything concrete to resolve any of the above issues.
Gosh, I thought the problem was that they weren’t dismantling the patriarchy. So if the MRA actually was demonstrably moving towards legal challenges aimed at resolving issues like unequal healthcare funding or discriminatory sentencing or fair child custody, then you would be on board? Well guess what? It’s happening and nothing you can do will stop it.
They are not raising money to open shelters for homeless or abused men.
They are not starting up suicide hotlines for men.
They are not lobbying for safer workplaces or gun control.
Wrong on the workplace issue and what the fuck does gun control have to do with anything?
Instead, they are crying about feminism, pooh-poohing the idea of patriarchy and generally making the world a sadder, scarier, less safe place to live in.
Sadder, scarier and less safe for whom? Little boys drugged out of their minds on Ritalin? Boys in juvenile facilities being raped with impunity by female guards because they must have liked it? Boys who commit suicide when they are faced with a lifetime on a sex offender registry for a high school prank? Those ones? They are sad and scared and less safe?
Fuck you.
In fact, I would argue that their stupid antics are actually a detriment to the causes that they claim to espouse, because they’re creating an association between actual real issues that men face and their disgusting buffoonery. So good fucking job, MRAs. Way to fuck vulnerable men over in your quest to prove that feminism is evil. I hope you’re all really proud of yourselves.
Oh, I think this article and your incredible compassion is all that feminism needs to look evil.
The Men’s Rights Movement is not “feminism for men.”
Holy fuck, no! Whatever made you think that?
It’s not some kind of complimentary activism meant to help promote equal treatment of men and women.
Complimentary. Complementary. Learn the difference. It’s activism, but by no means is it complementary. Or complimentary. But it most certainly is concerned with equality. It’s mostly feminists who oppose true equality. Gee, I wonder why?
And it most certainly fucking is not friendly towards women, unless we’re talking about women with crippling cases of internalized misogyny.
Yes, that must be it. We’re not wives or mothers or sisters or nieces or aunts or simply thinking, capable, rational human beings with the ability to make our own decisions and choices.
We’re crippled.
Wait, that’s kind of a shitty, able-ist thing to say, isn’t it?
I believe in equality for men and women, but I also believe that we’re not born with an even playing field.
Nope. You get to keep the labia you were born with, for example.
Women still face disenfranchisement, discrimination and a lack of basic freedoms and rights, and although feminism has done a lot of great work over the last century or so, we still haven’t undone several millennia’s worth of social programming and oppression.
The largest group of disenfranchised citizens are those with felony convictions. Almost all of whom are men. Black men, specifically. Actual, literal life and death discrimination accrues only to men, who must sign a draft card at the age of 18 that literally means they can be killed in any action the state deems worthy.
So that’s why it’s not “men’s turn” to have a social justice movement.
Except that all your examples are wrong.
That’s why we have the fem in feminism. That’s why fairness and equality involve promoting the empowerment of women, rather than promoting the empowerment of both genders in equal amounts. Because, to use a stupid analogy here, if one person starts out with no apples and another person starts out with five apples and then you give them both three apples each in the name of fairness, one person still has five more fucking apples.
Wow, that really is a stupid analogy.
So yes, let’s talk about issues that affect men. Let’s come up with solutions for problems that disproportionately hurt men, like suicide and homelessness and violent deaths (while at the same time recognizing that the fact that there are issues that affect more men than women does not mean that men are oppressed because of their gender).
Well, what does it mean, then? I’m really curious. Schools are designed not just to make sure girls succeed, but to ensure that boys suffer. If that is not oppression, then pray tell, what is?
Let’s work on opening up shelters for abused men, let’s create campaigns bringing awareness to the fact that men are also the victims of rape, and let’s pressure the government to improve workplace safety. But let’s find a way to do this that’s not at the expense of women. Instead, let’s join together and fuck up the patriarchy real good, because that way everyone wins.
None of those things will come at the expense of women. They will come at the expense of privileged, moany, whiny, pampered feminists whose main problems involve being allowed to show their tits in a courtroom, wear snatch-hugging leggings to school and sulking because they don’t know how to ask for a raise and likely haven’t done anything to deserve one anyways.
Yeah, you bitches will not like an equal world. The rest of us are eager to see true equality come about because as long as some of us are not fully human, then none of us are.
p.s. If you actually think that straight white men aren’t encouraged to be “proud” of themselves you need to check your privilege a million times over and then check it some more because seriously
Hey, good idea. Why don’t you do just that?
Check your privilege.
Oh, and get the fuck out of our way.
Your time is up.
Lots of love,
JB
judgybitch 
Good. I wanted to do something about this miserable piece at my poor languishing barely viewed blog. Did it get posted to the huffpo article? Some of the women readers over there need to read this. I don’t comment there anymore, otherwise I’d do it.
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I thought feminists fight for equality? You don’t seem like you do. Always interesting to hear a different view. Just gonna say that a lot of women don’t realise the power they actually have us male are the puppets!
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Superb effort. Have a nice day
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JB, that’s another winning bit of snark.
Hope they put this up over on AVfM.
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feminism used to I think, but right now its more of “Give women the power!”
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I started reading the comments there and was about to respond to some of them, when I realized it wasn’t worth the hassle of setting up an account.
It’s the same tired bullshit. They don’t want equal rights, which is the only real “equality” worth supporting. It never was about equal rights. Even the suffragettes didn’t want equal rights. They wanted control over society, to play dictator.
Feminists want more power, more privileges, more control, more resources, more advantages. And it will never be enough. There version of “equality” will never be achieved. It goes on forever in perpetuity.
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I concede. You are, in fact, quite lovable.
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Ah. “Check your privilege”. Her Kafkatrap is showing.
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JB, Nice piece. The lack of integrity and justice of the PC/Feminist crowd distributed by the MSM can leave one feeling a bit hopeless.The snarky style of this piece gave me a smile and a sense that in a slow and sure manner things may actually improve. Thanks for the work you do.
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Ha! I’ve actually used the same stupid analogy. Only in my version, you have a woman with no oranges, and a man with 5 oranges – and it DOESN’T make it equal to give the woman 5 oranges. Why not? Because the oranges are not the only fruit, and you failed to take into account that the woman had 5 apples to start with, while the man had none. (Even IF you want to say the woman had fewer apples than the man had oranges – cos we were sooooo oppressed, obviously – it’s still not equal until the man gets those apples.)
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Off topic
Last news from the frontier of EU and Africa:
Ceuta (Spanish city located in the North of Morocco) March and April 2014.
Thousends (dozen of thousends, in a short time hundred of thousends) of Sub-Saharian African people are jumping the fence which separates Morocco from Spain.
Soon they cross the Strait of Gibraltar and they reach main Spanish cities such Madrid, Barcelona and Bilbao.
Some remain there but most of them cross the borderline with France and they spread all over the EU.
100% of this black people are male, young, healthy, strong and in extremely good physical shape.
White European women are craving for black males and this black men know it. So, my opinion is that this massive illegal inmigration has nothing to do with economy or politics, but is a mating inmigration. Pure ethology.
In a few years Europe is going to be a mulato continent. Same that is going to happen in States.
Only Russian women (Slavic women, in general) are reluctant to have sexual relationship with black men. The East of Europe will be the reserve of white, Christian people.
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Thanks for taking out the garbage.
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I do really hate the use of the word “oppression” in these conversations. It’s become such a poorly defined word.
Neither men nor women are oppressed as whole groups. Although more men are oppressed than women (thanks to prison).
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Clearly, this didn’t really happen: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595891/Law-student-cried-rape-11-times-university-exams-court-hears.html
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You go girl! Fucking brilliant.
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Feminism is for spoiled white & Jewish women who are insulated from the consequences of their actions by institutions created and maintained almost entirely by the work of men.
We pave your roads, we wash your dishes, we take away your garbage, we make it possible to charge your iPhone, we make sure your speech codes and diversity mandates are enforced, we threaten violence against those who would do you real harm.
Don’t fuck with us.
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Very good . Love you guys !
Elen and Mark , Canada .
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I don’t consider myself an MHRM,but I’m so glad these women have laid it all out for us. I hope Paul Elam took notes-damn they’re bossy.
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Fight club. Awesome book and movie. Wasnt well received in Hollywood for its pro male stance and anarchistic rebellion against being a nice little worker drone. One of the few movies that had hardly any female involvement. Quite refreshing actually. Most movies have some kind of romantic swill shoved down our throat even the action and violent based ones where the ones being ripped to shreds are men.
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The “healthy masculinity” piece is an absolute scream. I think the lesson is supposed to be: We Are Not Men, We Are DEVO — I mean, we are “be-penised persons” who nevertheless commit “male violence” since that’s the only kind, but we are to stick our nose in and get teeth knocked out as our moral duty (to whom actually?) to save the damsel, I mean SIW. All to be filtered through an asexual mindset. Or something.
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Another powerful piece, by a recognized garbage cleaner
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As usual, JB, nail –> head.
Check your privilege. Oh, and get the fuck out of our way. Your time is up.
And this is what really scares them. The only way they can try to minimize, marginalize, and discredit the MHRM and the backlash against feminism is to first ignore, then belittle and mock, and then try to argue. But the only way they can argue is to trot out the evidence-free, jargon-laden language of feminism. And they really don’t want to do that, at least not too much in the mainstream.
Feminists have over the first part of the last decade tried to moderate their rhetoric, saving the most ridiculous sounding parts of what passes for feminist “argument” for the hard-core indoctrination of women’s studies departments. But they realized that they were losing a whole generation of women who weren’t buying the soft-sell or if they were, were content to accept the current social balance and move on living their lives; they weren’t going to ever actually join the feminist ranks. Hence, as I seem to note often, the “rape culture” campaign, designed to ratchet up the fear without having to trot out the real feminist language.
Post like the one you so efficiently deconstruct are nearly boilerplate recently. Harding and Marcotte have indeed made the exact same argument, down to the pace and the language, in several posts. And since they can’t address MHRM arguments directly, since they’d have to agree with them, they have to fall back on the illogic of more radical feminist thinking and language, talking about how men can’t be “oppressed” and how “patriarchy hurts men, too” and that the solution is “more feminism” because when the “patriarchy” is gone, men won’t have these problems. (They leave out the ideological goal that men won’t have these problems because they won’t be men any longer, just cringing slaves under the stiletto boot-heel of feminism triumphant; or they’ll indistinguishable from women).
It’s an escalation of rhetoric.
I have a confession to make. I have been reading (or skimming) Manjaw Mandy’s blog since she started many years ago. I was at the nascent start of my Red Pill journey, so I plead at least that. But it’s put me in a position to have noticed a very distinct progression in her writing. While she’s always claimed to be a feminist, her early writing was firmly in the left-liberal political snark mode. Her targets were predictably Republicans and conservatives and the religious and while she sometimes wrote on “women’s issues” they were nearly always in the context of politics and policy. It wasn’t until years passed, and after she was fired from the Edwards campaign and later moved to NY that her topics and rhetoric changed. And this nearly exactly coincided with the nadir of feminist recruitment and the rise of the manosphere in it’s various components. It was when her rhetoric and attitudes hardened. First came the harshly mocking “Nice Guy®” posts, and then the Rape Culture posts, and then the anti-MHRM posts. Since Manjaw considers herself a fairly mainstream “radical” feminist blogger (more of a pretend radical as the real radicals would disown her in a heartbeat as being too soft), she is, I think, a reasonable bellwether: as the feminists become more desperate, the harsher their language will become and the more they’ll have to rely on nonsensical feminist “logic” and jargon.
But it’s an escalation of rhetoric that will, I think, ultimately backfire. Because most women don’t identify and don’t want to identify as feminist. The more the feminists use “feminist logic” and jargon and harshly attack, the more they will be revealed to both men and women, especially in the mainstream, for the raving lunatics they are.
So, yes. Beware feminists and feminism. We’re coming for you. And there’s nothing you can do about short of the wholesale destruction of Western Civilization. I have no doubt you’d welcome that rather than losing, since it’s the ultimate goal of the most radical feminists, but most women won’t help you pull that trigger…
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And that is why I keep insisting that chasing equality is no different than chasing a unicorn. It will NEVER happen. Too many MRAs think if they play nicey wicey with women and say, “Hey, we just want equal rights for all”, that most women will see the light. Sorry, biology doesn’t work that way.
It took me a LONG time to come to this conclusion because I didn’t want to see it. It seemed “unfair”. But then I finally accepted what my parents told me: Life isn’t fair. Never has been, never will be.
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Feminist definition of the word oppression: “When I don’t get what I want!”.
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THAT is just it — they WON’T ” ‘fu*k’ with you”, but they WILL fu*k you over, just as long as they can and as hard as they can, all the while crying how “unfair” the society/country/world/universe is and how “oppressed” they are.
“Male Privilege” is just a BS projection of their own privilege combined with that of the upper 10% of all men (who are the only men that they wish to see), onto ALL men.
And it is interesting that “Male Privilege” only became a feminist buzzword when it became noticeable that men were starting to demand their own rights and becoming more angry and hostile to feminists and feminism, and started to show contempt for (or indifference to — i.e., MGTOW) Modern Womyn.
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I do have a problem with the MHRA movement, though, and that is the way the movement as a whole derides stay-home mothers and insists we’re all lazy and should get a job. I don’t understand how they can both support traditional masculinity and deride traditional femininity.
I am a traditional woman, and I know a lot of traditional women. Quite a few of those women are single, and thought at first that the MHRA movement would be an ideal place to look for a strong, masculine husband who would understand and appreciate the “deal” of traditional marriage: in exchange for love and financial support, the husband gets a wife who is faithful and loving, who takes care of him and his home, who raises his children, and who offers emotional support (and, well, physical support, to put it discreetly). A true partnership, which is what the feminists just don’t seem to understand is exactly what real marriage is: I do my part, you do your part, and together we build a home and family.
But to their dismay, they found that the MHRAs hated housewives, that they considered women who wanted to stay home and take care of their families to be lazy gold-diggers. So many MHRAs (rightfully) criticize feminism but at the same time go right along with the feminist “only paid work counts” party line. They don’t seem to understand that by supporting that tenet of feminism they are tacitly supporting all of it.
I don’t understand it. By refusing to support the idea of traditional wives, MHRAs are in fact supporting the very thing–feminism–which hurts them.
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Excellent post, Judgy. It’s a lot of work to put that together. Too bad Anne Theriault has an inexhaustible supply of fuckwittery. But her piece here has an overtone of desperation… as though she is stunned to have learned her tribe is losing their monopoly on defining terms, and their ability to silence opposition. She knows her team is no longer able to shoot fish in a barrel.
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I do have a problem with the MHRA movement, though, and that is the way the movement as a whole derides stay-home mothers and insists we’re all lazy and should get a job. I don’t understand how they can both support traditional masculinity and deride traditional femininity.
I have yet to see any evidence of this. Where are you finding it?
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Agreed. I’ve always thought the MHRA was, of all of the sides in this debate, the most supportive of a woman’s right to choose to raise her children rather than work in an office.
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I’d have to do some digging into comment threads but many from the mhrm movement say things along the lines of “women are scared that they won’t be able to have a free ride anymore; they’ll have to work like the rest of us.” I remember a specific one like that about Japanese housewives and how they won’t be able to do that anymore when men reject taking care of women.
It might not be a tenet of the movement in general but it’s a statement I see very, very regularly. I had an anti-feminism (somewhat trolly) blog on tumblr and I would sometimes have mra’s attack me for being a traditional housewife.
There’s also a huge streak of really leftist leaning mras that reject traditional roles whatsoever and have a lot of antipathy for conservatives/religious/etc.
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People have been spouting psuedo-racist bullshit like this ever since the discovery of race. It has never happened. it never will happen. But racist dickbags like you will continue to fear it well beyond the date of any such “mongrelization” fears being rational. They aren’t rational now.
Do some reading. The ancient Greeks were saying the same thing. The Ku Klux Klan was convinced as early as the 1860’s that the “insatiable sexual appetites of the negro” would have us up to our eyeballs in brown babies by the turn of the last century.
It has never happened.
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C – there are diverse opinions in every group. I don’t recall MHRA being generally against stay at home moms, but I’m sure that some MHRAs are, since its a topic that seems to be constantly embroiled in controversy.
I never understood why an MHRA would advocate for children being raised by daycares, unless we’re talking about the MHRA that just don’t think anyone should be having kids at all, but they are a fringe.
You’ll never see denigration of stay at home moms coming from here, thats for sure. The proprietor of this blog IS a stay at home mom.
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The problem with being a stay at home mom is that the man has to earn enough to support the whole household. Which, in most cases he doesn’t. I’d love it, if I could support my family and have my wife stay at home with our child so that she could spet more time with him and not be so stressed out because of her job. Unfortunately, our reality doesn’t allow it. The average wage around here is so low, that both partners HAVE to work to make a decent living.
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Again, that has not been my experience. But care should be taken in not confusing all denizens of the Manosphere with MHRM since the two are not the same by any means.
The one Manosphere sub-set that I can think of that might be anti-SAHM or traditional values are the “Men Going Their Own Way” (MGOW) folk. Most of them are just against feminism and the overly feminized society that has put men at a disadvantage, but there are some of them that are incredibly bitter about all women. I could see these guys as being against SAHMs seeing it as a “free ride” etc.
But these guys are really not representative of the MHRM.
Neither have I noticed a streak of liberalism or rejection of traditional roles in MHRM or in the Manosphere in general. Indeed, there is a very active part of the Red Pill part of the manosphere that is quite explicitly both traditional and Christian. (See Dalrock or Sunshine Mary They aren’t MRHA, but they both support SAHMs.
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Has anyone else noticed that this is exactly the same piece of rhetorical piffle that we saw from Lindy West a while back?
“You’re blaming women for your own problems”
“We’ll liberate you from masculinity”
“We understand your problems, they’re caused by patriarchy”
“Fight patriarchy with us and your problems will be solved”
Exactly the same tired argument in an attempt for neofeminists to feebly wave away a nemesis they are to blame for. And on top of it all? None of her argument stands up to scrutiny.
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Je suis venu sur votre poste par hasard et je ne le regrette point !!!
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The best place for these comments (along with this site )is the same place where they were posted. These women are ‘brainwashing’ ariana huffington. So try to post your comments there too. So that she gets both sides of the issue.
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Free ride I think refers to the fact that I am psychologically, biologically an equally important parent to my children and equally capable, yet for some reason money leaves the bank account of the one with the penis and goes into the account of the one with the vagina.
Or the right to vote without the draft.
Or getting a lesser sentence for the exact same crime.
Or being favoured for university and government positions based on genitalia alone.
Or being believed and protected in any DV dispute way out of proportion to actual statistical reality.
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