Feminism as hate speech, and no, that’s not hyperbole. Guest post by the Observing Libertarian

2 Sep

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Hey folks, I have kind of a long post for you today, but it is more than worth the read, IMO. The Observing Libertarian has made a strong case for feminism as hate speech – as embodying every tactic and principal of hate as we understand it.

There are a lot of references which just makes the case stronger, but it you want the tl;dr version, read the stuff in bold red print.

 

Feminism: Hate and the Mechanism of Dehumanization

by Observing Libertarian

A delve into the underlying nature of hatred and the mechanism of dehumanization.

 

 

*NOTE* Please watch the video links -LAST-. They are the example of what this article articulates. the videos are collected examples of hate and dehumanization -in practice-.

 

First however – a few things to clear your mind of a lot of misconceptions and propaganda.

 

Some facts for you.

 

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Domestic Violence ~

 

Published in the “Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment and Trauma”, the paper “CURRENT CONTROVERSIES AND PREVALENCE CONCERNING FEMALE OFFENDERS OF INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE” written by Murray A Straus of the University of New Hampshire.

 

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V75-Straus-09.pdf

 

Straus cites over 200 studies conducted in the United States which determined no statistically significant difference in the frequency of violence against a cohabiting partner and no difference  as to either minor or severe injuries dealt to the victim.

 

Simply stated: women are just as likely to severely injure their partners through domestic abuse as men are.

More evidence:

CDC Researchers discovered interesting facts when examining their own data.

The study, by CDC researchers Daniel J. Whitaker, PhD, Tadesse Haileyesus, MS, Monica Swahn, PhD and Linda S. Saltzman, PhD, found that a surprising 70% of cases of non-reciprocal violence were perpetrated by women.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020

The researchers studied 11,370 18- to 28-year-olds who had been in a total of 18,761 heterosexual relationships. They found that about 50% of cases of intimate partner violence were reciprocal, which they define as “perpetrated by both partners”, and 50% were non-reciprocal. Cases of violent women and non-violent men accounted for 70% of non-reciprocal cases, whereas cases of violent men and non-violent women accounted for 30% of non-reciprocal cases.

Thus: 50% of all cases of intimate partner violence among heterosexuals involve violence by both partners

35% of all cases involve a violent woman and an non-violent man

15% of all cases involve a violent man and an non-violent woman”

 

Rape~

“Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010” by Marcus Berzofsky, Dr.P.H., RTI, Christopher Krebs, Ph.D., RTI, Lynn Langton, Ph.D., BJS, Michael Planty, Ph.D., BJS, Hope Smiley-McDonald, Ph.D., RTI. March 7, 2013

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf

The study “presents trends in the rate of completed or attempted rape or sexual assault against females from 1995 to 2010. The report examines demographic characteristics of female victims of sexual violence and characteristics of the offender and incident, including victim-offender relationship, whether the offender had a weapon, and the location of the victimization. The report also examines changes over time in the percentages of female victims of sexual violence who suffered an injury and received formal medical treatment, reported the victimization to the police, and received assistance from a victim service provider. Data are from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which collects information on nonfatal crimes, reported and not reported to the police, against persons age 12 or older from a nationally representative sample of U.S. households.”

The study concluded the following:

From 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or sexual assault victimizations declined 58%, from 5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000.

 

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Which means the current popularized estimate of 1/4 women or 1/5 women will be raped: false far short. If a rape rate of 2.1 victimization per 1,000 populace were maintained that would equate to .2% of women being raped every year.

 

Rape – men always victimizer: women always victim… Or is that the case?

In “The Sexual Victimization of Men in America: New Data Challenge Old Assumptions” written by Lara Stemple, JD, and Ilan H. Meyer, PhD, they came to the following conclusion.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/violence-crime/the-sexual-victimization-of-men-in-america-new-data-challenge-old-assumptions/

 

“We assessed 12-month prevalence and incidence data on sexual victimization in 5 federal surveys that the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted independently in 2010 through 2012. We used these data to examine the prevailing assumption that men rarely experience sexual victimization. We concluded that federal surveys detect a high prevalence of sexual victimization among men—in many circumstances similar to the prevalence found among women. We identified factors that perpetuate misperceptions about men’s sexual victimization: reliance on traditional gender stereotypes, outdated and inconsistent definitions, and methodological sampling biases that exclude inmates. We recommend changes that move beyond regressive gender assumptions, which can harm both women and men.”

 

Further evidence: men being raped by women –

In “When Men Are Raped” By Hanna Rosin

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

 

“Data hasn’t been calculated under the new FBI definition yet, but Stemple parses several other national surveys in her new paper, “The Sexual Victimization of Men in America: New Data Challenge Old Assumptions,” co-written with Ilan Meyer and published in the April 17 edition of the American Journal of Public Health. One of those surveys is the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, for which the Centers for Disease Control invented a category of sexual violence called “being made to penetrate.” This definition includes victims who were forced to penetrate someone else with their own body parts, either by physical force or coercion, or when the victim was drunk or high or otherwise unable to consent. When those cases were taken into account, the rates of nonconsensual sexual contact basically equalized, with 1.270 million women and 1.267 million men claiming to be victims of sexual violence.”

Child Abuse~

In July 2008 Mark B. Rosenthal wrote an article detailing data collected by the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services “Child Maltreatment” reports, 2001-2006* Victims by Parental Status of Perpetrators“.

http://www.breakingthescience.org/SimplifiedDataFromDHHS.php

 

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” The DHHS data shows that of children abused by one parent between 2001 and 2006, 70.6% were abused by their mothers, whereas only 29.4% were abused by their fathers.

And of children who died at the hands of one parent between 2001 and 2006, 70.8% were killed by their mothers, whereas only 29.2% were killed by their fathers.

Furthermore, contrary to media portrayals that leave the viewer with the impression that only girls are ever harmed, boys constituted fully 60% of child fatalities. (Table 4-3, p. 71, Child Maltreatment 2006, http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm06/cm06.pdf, reports that 675 boys died in 2006 as compared to 454 girls).”

 

~SYNOPSIS~

By taking a close look at the data collected by national organizations we find that women are more likely to abuse children than men, just as likely to rape men as men are to rape women and just as likely to commit domestic violence as men are. So why is the prevailing image of men one that it is a crime just to be male? If actual crime, survey data and collected records show us that women are no less likely to commit violent and or sedition crimes than men why are men depicted as the “Bad Guy” in so much rhetoric?

The first reason I would like to propose: patriarchy. Yes, I think the patriarchy at one time was real and that it’s left an indelible impact on society. However the second is far more malicious in intent: Feminism.

While patriarchy left us with the unmistakable ideal that women are beauty, pure, gentle and incapable of behaving in such inhuman ways – it is feminism which has tried it’s very “bestest” to dehumanize men. As where patriarchy taught us that all women are good: feminism has shifted the public paradigm into believing that all men are bad. Thus, we have ourselves a double edged sword.

Feminism however: has gone to great lengths, through lobbying and the publishing of propaganda to ensure that men could be vilified with false reports and fake research papers that often ignores it’s own research data.

Proof of concept: Mary Koss. In the above CDC report “Made to penetrate” having been added to their roster of classifications, we have Mary Koss to thank. She lobbied the CDC to exclude male victims of female predators as being classified as “rape.” Now if you ask the common person – if you are made to have sex with someone by being physically forced, or forced at gunpoint/knife point, coerced with threats of violence, you are unconscious, roofied, comatose or any other form of incapacitation whereby you are incapable of providing consent or the sexual activity is committed directly against your will – is that rape? The vast majority of people would say yes, that is rape. Anytime someone conducts sex with you either against your consent or while you are incapable of providing consent – it is rape.

Not according, to the CDC. Due to the actions taken by Mary Koss “made to penetrate” was created so that male victims of female predators could be discluded, by definition, from being “raped”. Therefore she could tout feminist statistics on female rape victims while completely excluding figures of males having been raped by women.

According to the CDC a man cannot be raped by a woman even if he is physically forced, forced at gunpoint/knife point, coerced with threats, comatose, intoxicated, passed out, roofied or otherwise incapacitated by any other means. By legal definition he cannot be raped by a woman – no matter what. It’s instead referred to as “made to penetrate” and is therefore constituted as a form of sexual assault – but not rape.

Once again this was done strictly so that Koss could publish intentionally tampered and gender biased research data on the rate at which victims are raped. You see, having a number of males victimized equal to that of women doesn’t look good when you’re trying to talk about “patriarchy” and the inherent “rape culture” found in it, which has a narrative that all men are potential rapists and all women are potential victims.

This by the way, is not the first time Mary Koss has used such tactics. Most people are unaware – the commonly quoted “1/4 women will be raped” statistic comes from her study. In this study 73% of the women she claimed were raped explicitly said that they were in fact NOT raped. 40% of those same women continued to have relationships with the person the survey data exclaimed had raped them. If you control the definitions of terms you can get any answer you want – no matter how bogus.

Are Feminists simply always about hating men or do they support women’s rights while they’re at it?

Well, we run into an interesting thing when it comes to women’s rights: Feminists hate independent, empowered women. If a woman takes self defense classes, carries mace, attains a concealed carry weapon license or even recently: nailpolish that can detect the date rape drug in your drink – Feminists don’t like it.

They refer to all of the above subscribed behavior as “victim blaming”.

Feminists don’t like that. Anything that would prevent rape diminishes the feminist narrative of “rape culture” as females with firearms pointed out. Also, if you have truly strong independent empowered women capable of defending themselves, it takes away from the feminist paradigm of the patriarchy – which asserts that all women are victims and all men perpetrators. Feminists don’t like that either.

See if you can follow the feminist logic on this….

Anything that helps prevent crime is “victim blaming” women who were victimized by that same crime. So apparently – it’s bad if we try to prevent crime that would victimize women…. So to prevent victims from feeling bad – we shouldn’t try to prevent other women from being victimized….

That’s their logic, that’s their argument: they would rather more women be victimized than allow women who were victimized feel bad about having been victimized. Feminists -want- women to be raped, so that other rape victims will not feel bad about having been raped.

Sad and sorry to say – feminism isn’t about protecting women and hasn’t been for a very long time. It’s about enforcing the narrative that a woman is a victim and a man is a victimizer. At one point feminism may have been about equal rights for women – it used to be pro-woman: now it’s simply anti-male. And feminists don’t like anything that empowers women.

More to the point: TRULY strong, independent self empowered women who dare to disagree with feminist’s sisterhood hive mind face ridicule and even death threats to try and shame them or scare them into line. So while feminism claims to want equality, their activities add up to being nothing more than social terrorists. Suppressing women’s freedom of speech should they ever dare to step out of line, and disagree with the sisterhood.

Why would feminism stoop to such fantastically underhanded tactics? Well, two reasons. One is hatred: the other is systematic dehumanization.

If you look closely at the things feminists say and do – you’ll be shocked by just how obvious it is. Below are some useful bits of information on hate and the process of dehumanization, written by world authorities on the subject.

Feminists are not pro-woman, they are anti-male. Spreading hate-speech and that hate speech is active dehumanization. Through dehumanization – group B feels guiltless about doing inhuman things to group A. They even feel justified, that it’s the righteous thing to do. By dehumanizing men, they can justify any action, no matter if it’s an atrocity or not.

 

The science of hatred

Posted in Science by Jen Robinson onOctober 19, 2009

http://psycnet.apa.org/books/10930/003

 

“Professor of Psychology Ervin Staub has been studying hatred and violence for almost 30 years. In a recent article entitled The Origins and Evolution of Hate, he extends Penguin’s definition, pointing out that hate is more likely to occur when we view another person as having either equal or greater social or economic value rather than less. Humans may feel things like pity or distain for people they view as inferior to them, but true hatred typically comes about when the other is seen as equal or superior. Often, the hated person or group is seen as having more than they deserve, and that these fortunes have been acquired at the expense of the hater.

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The Seven-Stage Hate Model: The Psychopathology of Hate

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/let-their-words-do-the-talking/201103/the-seven-stage-hate-model-the-psychopathology-hate

Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure people.

Published on March 18, 2011 by Jack Schafer, Ph.D. in Let Their Words Do the Talking

“Stage 1: The Haters Gather

Stage 2: The Hate Group Defines Itself

Stage 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target

Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target

Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons

Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons

Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target”

 

The Individual Psychology of Group Hate

http://web.mit.edu/cis/pdf/15-48.MICHENER.pdf

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“Revenge is often taken against people who were not perpetrators of the original offense, provided that they belong to the perpetrator’s group. People react as if they believed that if one member of a group attacked, then they all did or would. Groups are culturally defined, though the tendency to relate to them is universal. It is proposed that “the enemy” is an inherited category while the identity of the groups placed into that category is learned. Enemies are subject to hate, fear, and coldness (the inhibition of empathy). We are prepared to experience an entire outgroup as “enemy” if any of them attack us. We anticipate the same reaction in outgroups by experiencing them as “enemy” when any of us attack them. We mirror fellow ingroup members’ hatreds.”

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Now that we have identifying behavior which should be interpreted as hatred: nothing more, nothing less. Hate is hate. You can dress it up however you like. How does hate feed itself? Dehumanization: when you subscribe to the idea that all of group A are evil and all of group B are innocent. So let’s examine dehumanization.

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Philip George Zimbardo, psychologist, professor emeritus at Stanford University

http://www.lucifereffect.com/dehumanization.htm

At the core of evil is the process of dehumanization by which certain other people or collectives of them, are depicted as less than human, as non-comparable in humanity or personal dignity to those who do the labeling. Prejudice employs negative stereotypes in images or verbally abusive terms to demean and degrade the objects of its narrow view of superiority over these allegedly inferior persons. Discrimination involves the actions taken against those others based on the beliefs and emotions generated by prejudiced perspectives.

Dehumanization is one of the central processes in the transformation of ordinary, normal people into indifferent or even wanton perpetrators of evil. Dehumanization is like a “cortical cataract” that clouds one’s thinking and fosters the perception that other people are less than human. It makes some people come to see those others as enemies deserving of torment, torture, and even annihilation.

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Michelle Maiese is a graduate student of Philosophy at the University of Colorado, Boulder and is a part of the research staff at the Conflict Research Consortium.

What it Means to Dehumanize

http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/dehumanization

Dehumanization is a psychological process whereby opponents view each other as less than human and thus not deserving of moral consideration. Jews in the eyes of Nazis and Tutsis in the eyes of Hutus (in the Rwandan genocide) are but two examples. Protracted conflict strains relationships and makes it difficult for parties to recognize that they are part of a shared human community. Such conditions often lead to feelings of intense hatred and alienation among conflicting parties. The more severe the conflict, the more the psychological distance between groups will widen. Eventually, this can result in moral exclusion. Those excluded are typically viewed as inferior, evil, or criminal.

We typically think that all people have some basic human rights that should not be violated. Innocent people should not be murdered, raped, or tortured. Rather, international law suggests that they should be treated justly and fairly, with dignity and respect. They deserve to have their basic needs met, and to have some freedom to make autonomous decisions. In times of war, parties must take care to protect the lives of innocent civilians on the opposing side. Even those guilty of breaking the law should receive a fair trial, and should not be subject to any sort of cruel or unusual punishment.

However, for individuals viewed as outside the scope of morality and justice, “the concepts of deserving basic needs and fair treatment do not apply and can seem irrelevant.”Any harm that befalls such individuals seems warranted, and perhaps even morally justified. Those excluded from the scope of morality are typically perceived as psychologically distant, expendable, and deserving of treatment that would not be acceptable for those included in one’s moral community. Common criteria for exclusion include ideology, skin color, and cognitive capacity. We typically dehumanize those whom we perceive as a threat to our well-being or values.

Psychologically, it is necessary to categorize one’s enemy as sub-human in order to legitimize increased violence or justify the violation of basic human rights. Moral exclusion reduces restraints against harming or exploiting certain groups of people. In severe cases, dehumanization makes the violation of generally accepted norms of behavior regarding one’s fellow man seem reasonable, or even necessary.

The Psychology of Dehumanization

Dehumanization is actually an extension of a less intense process of developing an “enemy image” of the opponent. During the course of protracted conflict, feelings of anger, fear, and distrust shape the way that the parties perceive each other. Adversarial attitudes and perceptions develop and parties begin to attribute negative traits to their opponent. They may come to view the opponent as an evil enemy, deficient in moral virtue, or as a dangerous, warlike monster.

An enemy image is a negative stereotype through which the opposing group is viewed as evil, in contrast to one’s own side, which is seen as good. Such images can stem from a desire for group identity and a need to contrast the distinctive attributes and virtues of one’s own group with the vices of the “outside” group. In some cases, evil-ruler enemy images form. While ordinary group members are regarded as neutral, or perhaps even innocent, their leaders are viewed as hideous monsters.

Enemy images are usually black and white. The negative actions of one’s opponent are thought to reflect their fundamental evil nature, traits, or motives. One’s own faults, as well as the values and motivations behind the actions of one’s opponent, are usually discounted, denied, or ignored. It becomes difficult to empathize or see where one’s opponent is coming from. Meaningful communication is unlikely, and it becomes difficult to perceive any common ground.

Once formed, enemy images tend to resist change, and serve to perpetuate and intensify the conflict. Because the adversary has come to be viewed as a “diabolical enemy,” the conflict is framed as a war between good and evil. Once the parties have framed the conflict in this way, their positions become more rigid. In some cases, zero-sum thinking develops as parties come to believe that they must either secure their own victory, or face defeat. New goals to punish or destroy the opponent arise, and in some cases more militant leadership comes into power.

Enemy images are accentuated, according to psychologists, by the process of “projection,” in which people “project” their own faults onto their opponents. This means that people or groups who tend to be aggressive or selfish are likely to attribute those traits to their opponents, but not to themselves. This improves one’s own self-image and increases group cohesion, but it also escalates the conflict and makes it easier to dehumanize the other side.

Deindividuation facilitates dehumanization as well. This is the psychological process whereby a person is seen as a member of a category or group rather than as an individual. Because people who are deindividuated seem less than fully human, they are viewed as less protected by social norms against aggression than those who are individuated. It then becomes easier to rationalize contentious moves or severe actions taken against one’s opponents.

Dangers of Dehumanization

While deindividuation and the formation of enemy images are very common, they form a dangerous process that becomes especially damaging when it reaches the level of dehumanization.

Once certain groups are stigmatized as evil, morally inferior, and not fully human, the persecution of those groups becomes more psychologically acceptable. Restraints against aggression and violence begin to disappear. Not surprisingly, dehumanization increases the likelihood of violence and may cause a conflict to escalate out of control. Once a violence break over has occurred, it may seem even more acceptable for people to do things that they would have regarded as morally unthinkable before.

Parties may come to believe that destruction of the other side is necessary, and pursue an overwhelming victory that will cause one’s opponent to simply disappear. This sort of into-the-sea framing can cause lasting damage to relationships between the conflicting parties, making it more difficult to solve their underlying problems and leading to the loss of more innocent lives.

Indeed, dehumanization often paves the way for human rights violations, war crimes, and genocide. For example, in WWII, the dehumanization of the Jews ultimately led to the destruction of millions of people. Similar atrocities have occurred in Rwanda, Cambodia, and the former Yugoslavia.

It is thought that the psychological process of dehumanization might be mitigated or reversed through humanization efforts, the development of empathy, the establishment of personal relationships between conflicting parties, and the pursuit of common goals.”

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According to Baron and Richardson (1994), dehumanization occurs when an individual views another person in negative ways, which leads to the belief that they are undeserving of the respect and kindness usually afforded to another person. It is as if that individual is compared to being nonhuman (Haslam, Kashima, Loughnan, Shi, & Suitner 2008). In comparing groups under the same situation, Esses, Veenvliet, Hodson, and Mihic (2008) state that, for example, if group B is seen as failing to uphold values belonging to group A, then group B must be immoral and less than human. This results in group B being less deserving of humane treatment. The fate of the members of group B is less relevant to group A, and their interests may be ignored. The implication is then that dehumanization of a target increases aggressive behavior because dehumanized group members have no moral standards applied to them (Castano & Giner-Sorolla, 2006). Bandura (2002) adds that strangers can be more easily depersonalized than acquaintances because of a lack of moral obligation to try and comprehend a stranger.

There are three different ways in which people are dehumanized. Haslam, et al. (2008) points out that people can be compared to animals, in which uniquely human attributes are denied and the person is described as being coarse, uncultured, amoral, irrational, and childlike. Bandura (2002) adds that attributing demonic or bestial qualities to a person also makes them less than human. A second way in which people are dehumanized is by comparing a person to a machine (i.e., “mechanistic dehumanization”), in which human attributes are removed, and the person is perceived to be unfeeling, cold, passive, rigid, and lacking individuality (Haslam, et al., 2008). By doing this, the person is denied of emotionality and desires (Haslam, et al., 2008). Controlling or manipulative interpersonal relationships have been identified as one antecedent of mechanistic dehumanization (Moller & Deci, 2010).

The third way that a person can be dehumanized is by perceiving the other person as being the enemy. Esses, et al. (2008) state that the enemy is constructed to exemplify manipulation and is described as being opportunistic, evil, immoral, and motivated by greed. The enemy is shown to take advantage of the weak, which in turn justifies any action taken against the enemy (Esses, et al., 2008). Esses, et al. (2008) go on to describe the barbarian image, which includes the perceptions of a ruthless, crude, and unsophisticated individual that is willing to cheat to reach glory.

The consequence of constructing these dehumanizing forms is the inequality that is brought on as a result. It can be seen that those who support the existence of social dominance view the world as a competitive place where only the toughest survive and are willing to discriminate against other groups in order to reach or uphold group dominance. What this does is legitimize entitlement and the dehumanization of others (Esses, et al., 2008).

In order to combat dehumanization, it is essential to do the opposite of what it takes to instill dehumanization. Moshman (2007) states that in dehumanization, individuals are interpreted as containing elements of a subhuman, nonhuman, or anti-human group. In order to not view others in those terms, then the two groups must unite and be intimate with one another so as to see the humanistic qualities that each possess. The reason for this is because it is difficult to mistreat humanized people without risking personal distress (Bandura, 2002).

Another way to counteract possible conflict is to keep both groups separate. Moshman (2007) states that there is no need to try to dehumanize another group provided that that group stays in one location, and the other group stays in another. The only problem with this suggestion is that no matter how hard it can be tried, there is bound to be trouble. This is because human groups often get in each other’s way and fail to meet each other’s expectations (Moshman, 2007).

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Now, a look at what goes on in the world out there as a result of this hatred and active campaign of dehumanization.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0INrpezqOk0&list=UUlfqxOGWFlOMQWpIhbhzL2w

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UH-T1ukKy4&list=UUlfqxOGWFlOMQWpIhbhzL2w

 

http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems

 

http://jezebel.com/331323/thai-women-cut-cocks-because-murder-isnt-enough

 

Still think feminism isn’t hate speech?

 

JB here: reading all the dehumanization tactics is actually rather upsetting. I think I will go and hug all the men and boys I love.  Maybe you should too.

 

And then get ready for war.

 

Lots of love,

 

JB

52 Responses to “Feminism as hate speech, and no, that’s not hyperbole. Guest post by the Observing Libertarian”

  1. TheSharpeful September 2, 2014 at 16:59 #

    The hate speech of feminism is clear to all of us, except feminism. It has been for years.

    This was a great article JB, one of your best 😉
    Thank you

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  2. That_Susan September 2, 2014 at 20:01 #

    This is really, really eye-opening, especially about that awful woman from the CDC who wants to make it look like there’s no female-to-male rape. I want to come back and finish reading later, but I’m trying to do a bit of research for an informal debate I’m having with some feminists about rape culture, and especially about the fact that Women Against Rape is opposed to prosecuting women for making false rape allegations (link 1 below).

    With the few cases I’ve read about in the U.S. (my home) in which women were prosecuted for making false allegations, it’s pretty clear-cut that the “innocent till proven guilty” protocol was followed, as it always should be for anyone accused of a crime. Law enforcement officials decided to prosecute after having found, during the course of investigation, evidence that things could not have happened in the way that the woman said they had.

    In contrast, I’ve found articles about a couple of the cases cited by Women Against rape, which were in in Great Britain (links 2 and 3 below). In these cases, it doesn’t seem at all clear that “innocent till proven guilty” was followed with these women. So I’m wondering if anything knows about the different rules for prosecuting people in Great Britain.

    The last case I’ve linked to is a about a cab driver in Great Britain, who was arrested, released on bond, and spent three months being closely scrutinized by police after a drunk 17-year-old woman whom he’d given a ride home accused him of raping her. She later admitted to making it up because she’d been locked out of her house and wanted her neighbor to let her in. It’s clear that this wasn’t a rape, but I don’t get why it took the police three months to figure out that no sexual contact occurred.

    After all, he underwent invasive forensic examinations on the same night that he was accused. Presumably she did, too, and since this wasn’t a case where sex happened and one was saying it was consensual and the other was saying it was rape — this was actually a case where he just GAVE HER A RIDE HOME, as part of his job as a taxi driver, why couldn’t they have just checked to see whether his DNA matched any DNA found in her vagina? Why would this take three months to figure out? I promise I won’t accuse anyone of “mansplaining” if you can clarify any of this legal stuff for me. 🙂

    1) http://www.womenagainstrape.net/content/why-women-against-rape-opposes-prosecutions-women

    2) http://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/aug/12/layla-jailed-after-reporting-sexual-assault

    3) http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/mar/09/gail-sherwood-jailed-campaigners

    4) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1184989/Court-rules-taxi-driver-falsely-accused-rape-receive-compensation-legal-first.html

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  3. Spaniard September 2, 2014 at 20:36 #

    The skinnette of the picture is ugly as fuck, but normally I love women dressed in nazi uniforms.
    So sexy.
    In late 2000s I had a British girlfriend, gorgeous creature, who loved to dress up in SA nazi uniform and treat her “stable” (her own words) of slave-lovers (including me) like crap, with a horse whip in her hand and Dr. Martens boots.

    But was all just for fun.

    Most of “proper”, “classic”, “respectable”, Catholic married couples I know in this holy country are an ACTUAL torment chamber for HIM. But no fun at all. And the worst thing is that wife is an ugly bitch who only allows hubby to have sex for procreation, lights turn out and dressed with a nightgown with a window in the pubic zone.

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  4. nrjnigel September 2, 2014 at 21:02 #

    An excellent dissection of the hate at the core of the last of the Marxist heresies from the 20th Century to still hold credibility.

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  5. JShaft September 2, 2014 at 22:58 #

    The cracks are showing, day by day…

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  6. BlackPoisonSoul September 2, 2014 at 23:33 #

    Such vocal twisted hatred from a minority, with many of their attitudes spreading like a disease amongst the ordinary, makes me less and less inclined to be around people. I think that as I’ve become more aware I’ve noticed these things far more. It has gotten to the point where I cannot tolerate it, their reflexive distrust and despising of men makes me physically nauseated at times.

    With attitudes like this on display, going your own way and enjoying the decline becomes the more sensible option. To heck with civilization – the next generation is going to get lumped on worse than we are now. I don’t want to bring children into a world like this, it would be an act of unparalleled cruelty.

    This must truly suck for those women who actually do want a decent life. As I’ve stated to others: “If you do not explicitly speak out against it, then you are implicitly endorsing it.” Yet when we (men or women) speak out against it the hatred flows back redoubled, reflexively, from almost anyone with the slightest infection of the feminist memes and privilege.

    It appears that Idiocracy is the bleak outlook for the future, as the socialists vote themselves more perks. Those tired of being hated for speaking out fall silent and stage their own quiet individual revolt of non-participation.

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  7. JShaft September 3, 2014 at 01:49 #

    “If you do not explicitly speak out against it, then you are implicitly endorsing it.”

    And you then go on to justify all those who give up and fall silent…

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  8. Tyler September 3, 2014 at 04:32 #

    Two questions intended in good faith to spur discussion:

    1. I was reading this with someone sympathetic to feminism (NAFALT), and they pointed out that making the rape numbers balance by including inmates has some issues with it. A prison is a significantly different environment than society at large (though that gap decreases yearly), so is it appropriate to lump the rape numbers there with those in civil society? Don’t we have a more reasonable expectation not to be raped outside prison than in? Personally I think it depends on which conclusions about the prevalence of rape we’re discussing; it will have different impact in different contexts. Also interesting to note that, even in an environment as devoid of agency and freedom as prison, rape cannot be prevented.

    2. Is it intellectually honest to call out feminism for the ingroup/outgroup thing? Aka, identifying oneself and your opponents along tribal lines is a large element of most social movements and organizations of any import. The MHRM certainly does it aplenty. It’s certainly not an ideal mental shortcut, you should always consider the individual ahead of the group, BUT their identification with a group also has strong implications about their own personality. Although that would only apply to a willingly embraced group identification. Wouldn’t apply to something inborn, like gender or race. This is not a defense of the dehumanization and hate produced by modern feminism, those are a separate thing, just trying to keep it real about group dynamics and human psychology.

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  9. Spaniard September 3, 2014 at 09:17 #

    The rebellion of men against the salavery made by women since ages, is deeply marxist.

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  10. Spaniard September 3, 2014 at 10:00 #

    If, deep inside, women want to be raped, it is possible epidemic of female tingles (directly proportional to fear in male population) every time an enemy army is approaching to town?
    Vg: every time the Vikings made a razzia in North Coast of Spain during the Middle Ages, women were expecting enthusiastically the arriving of that furry, rude, blond violent warriors, and at the same time they disdained their own men for “weak”.
    Ii is well documented. Women end up adopting all that pagan customs and believes from the Northen people. And they were very reluctant to Charistianity while their male countrypeople were loyal to the Church of Rome.
    That was the beginnig of the witch huntings in the North of Spain.

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  11. Ulf T September 3, 2014 at 10:01 #

    By legal definition he cannot be raped by a woman – no matter what.

    Well… almost. Anal penetration “with any body part or object” does count as rape, according to the new FBI definition.

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  12. Spaniard September 3, 2014 at 10:56 #

    Susan, regarding to your comment in a post before…

    I remember that famous quote of St. Ambrose: “Women are just good for vice, and they poison male´s soul”.

    Thanks God is just like that!

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  13. Spaniard September 3, 2014 at 12:38 #

    If the Fathers of the Holy Church were so deeply compelled that woman have no soul at all then… can we say honestly that women are human beings?

    Are women, merely pieces of meat with a clockworck inside which pursuits its program? (like the movie “Spieces”, with Nastasha Henstridge).

    Why everybody thinks that Brad Pitt is an alpha male?
    He is a beta provider. The alpha is Billy Bob Thornton.

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  14. EurEye September 3, 2014 at 15:15 #

    A funny thing: check the “related” in the Jezebel article about penis severing.

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  15. Spaniard September 3, 2014 at 16:03 #

    It is the world divided in 3 groups?

    1. Human beings.
    2. Women.
    3. Jews.

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  16. derpyherps September 3, 2014 at 16:18 #

    Great article, but I’d like to point out one point of inconsistency in the article: under the Rape section where the study concluded a victimization rate of 0.2%, this rate is for rape, attempted rape (which really shouldn’t be included, but that’s beside the point) and sexual assault. This would make the actual reported rape rate lower than 0.2%.

    Other than that, thanks for the excellent long-form content!

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  17. The Real Peterman September 3, 2014 at 20:30 #

    You’d think people who were against rape would hate false rape reporters. After all, while police are chasing a phony story they aren’t solving real rapes. But what do I know, I never took Womens Studies.

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  18. The Real Peterman September 3, 2014 at 20:38 #

    Good questions. Prisons are still a part of society. The people in there don’t deserve to be raped any more than I do. If there was an outbreak of Ebola in prisons, we wouldn’t (I hope) say that was none of our business. And note that a man is far, far more likely to be sent to prison than a woman who commits the same crime.

    The problem with assigning other people to an outgroup isn’t that identification itself, it’s that feminism demonizes outsiders and works to make them worse off. Martin Luther King, for instance, knew there were people who weren’t part of his group, but his answer was to win them over with peaceful means not to dehumanize and crush them.

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  19. The Real Peterman September 3, 2014 at 20:39 #

    Just stop.

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  20. Goober September 3, 2014 at 22:52 #

    They don’t hate rape. They hate MEN.

    Clear things up?

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  21. Goober September 3, 2014 at 22:53 #

    Funny, posting this after an article that talked about the dangers of dehumanizing and “othering” groups of people…

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  22. Goober September 3, 2014 at 22:55 #

    Oh my God, seriously, the irony is just killing me. Just absolutely fucking delicious. I can’t even…

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  23. Goober September 3, 2014 at 22:57 #

    Feminism is a supremacist movement. I’ve been saying this for years.

    They are as interested in equality as the skinheads are.

    None of this should really come as a surprise, but it is nice to have it all wrapped up in one linkable article. Well done!

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  24. Brian C. September 3, 2014 at 23:24 #

    I’ll answer question 1 for you very simply. Either rape is an evil thing to do to people, or it is not. If it is not, the disposition of the victim in a prison should not make a difference.

    If we argue that a person in prison’s rape is any less evil, and therefore should not counted, then we must accept that rape is not always wrong or evil. At which point you must open the door to the question of when it is acceptable or a “lesser offence.”.

    Taken to the extreme, we then have to ask if rape of prisoners is a justifiable means of punishment. After all, we consider incarceration a horror, but not so terrible that we won’t inflict it on people who have done something worse. If the rape of prisoners can be ignored, minimized, or dismissed, then we have come dangerously close to creating a scenario in which rape is acceptable, or even a deterrent for crime and other antisocial behaviours.

    I reject any line of reasoning that demands we accept that rape might be “sometimes okay,” or at least “no so bad.” It is a hideous thing to do to a human being, full stop. And if rape is an evil thing, just because the person who is being raped happens to be a flight-risk accused felon or a convict is no reason not to extend that,

    Of course you might argue that a convict is not human, to evade this point, at which point you have only proven the point of the article overall.

    I reject the notion that prison is not a part of “civil society”, by the way. Laws are not necessarily moral or civil, and the people imprisoned for unjust laws are no less civil or decent that the people on the outside. Modern legal codes are so bloated that we cannot help but commit felonies by accident. Does that mean we live in a fallen society of villains and monsters?

    Also, think carefully on the idea that rape in prison should be expected implied in the argument. I question the “civility” of any person, movement, or society that can expect people to be raped without significant outcry. To say “Yes, but these people are imprison, so we would expect them to be raped, and it will throw our numbers off when talking about people who matter,” is uncivilized.

    If the likelihood of rape is a factor in its severity and value to statistics, why don’t we extend the same discourtesy to female soldiers, children in foster care, sex workers, and people in war zones? Suddenly rape would look like a lot less of a problem. Where do we draw the line on when someone should “count” and when they should not?

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  25. RS September 3, 2014 at 23:49 #

    Having *tried* to have reasonable conversations with them (as if that’s possible) on the Women Against Feminism page I have to agree with you. They hate anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their worldview and would throw us all into the ovens together.

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  26. JShaft September 4, 2014 at 00:19 #

    There is something truly magical about having our own pet misogynist…

    You regularly remind me I’m not a monster, and I can’t but thank you for it…

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  27. JShaft September 4, 2014 at 00:21 #

    Wait, which is the group that wants to crash tackle you onto the pavement every time you speak? #1, right?

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  28. JShaft September 4, 2014 at 00:30 #

    Now I’m tempted to start on a new project, in which I re-record horrible skinhead oi songs, replacing all references to self as “Fem’nist” and all “other” signifiers as “men”…

    Then I realise I’m not a teenager on welfare, and go about my day :p

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  29. Donald L Denis September 4, 2014 at 01:02 #

    EXcluded. “Discluded” is not a word.

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  30. Alex September 4, 2014 at 02:12 #

    would you agree on separating the numbers when considering that prison rape is a bit of an easier beast to tackle? rapists can only go so far and stay hidden for so long inside a prison whereas outside a prison, they are capable of going to the other side of the planet if necessary to evade consequences

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  31. Janet September 4, 2014 at 02:28 #

    This terrifies me, especially that delightful little piece by the Femitheist. A finer example of narcissism I have never seen.

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  32. Spaniard September 4, 2014 at 08:02 #

    No offence.

    Jews are Übermenschen cuz they are the Chosen People by God,

    Women are God Herself.

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  33. Tyler September 4, 2014 at 13:30 #

    The crux of the prison question was not ‘do they count as rape,’ but rather are they in the same category as ‘outside rapes’ when it comes to answering the question ‘what should we do about it?’ The feminist response to (falsified) rape stats is to treat all men as criminals, teach women to be paranoid, etc. But in prison, most men ARE criminals (I agree with your point about immoral laws wholeheartedly, but there’s still a way higher concentration of actual criminals in prison than outside (except maybe in DC)), and you really SHOULD be on guard all the time.

    So, yes, rapes in prison are every bit as horrific as rapes in the outside world, even moreso since it’s likely to be a repeat experience in prison. Not debating that. But when it comes to fixing the problem, I think the environments are different enough that it’s not apples to apples.

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  34. human2stupidity September 6, 2014 at 08:39 #

    Good points. Feminism certainly is hate speech. Also it is sexist (Violence against women, …., women’s shelters, etc). It is offensive to science as it falsifies and distorts research, and it creates an intimidating environment.

    The early suffragettes were violent terrorists, and feminists still repress free speech and free research by shouting down, blockades, boycotts or outright violence.

    Prison rape, being locked together for years with your serial rapist or gang rapists, is much worse then all except very violent heterosexual rape, incomparably worse then statutory consensual rape or consensual date rape.

    Feminist rape laws don’t apply to male prison rape victims     

    Add to that the silence about Rotherham which clearly shows that feminism does not care about real forcible rape by protected minorities, and certainly does not care about statutory rape by these people.

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  35. human2stupidity September 6, 2014 at 08:42 #

    Seems that any post with more then one link gets flagged for manual approval.

    Feminist rape laws don’t apply to male prison rape victims     

    Stop Prison Rape! Legalize Corporal Punishment (Whipping)   

    The following post got 50 000 facebook likes and 500 000 visitors:

    Child rapist raped, stitched by medics, and re-raped by 20 prisoners

    "Police did not want to appear racist", thus let 1400 children be abused over 15 years

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  36. etmalthusianism September 7, 2014 at 05:35 #

    Convictions for prison rape are rarer than hen’s teeth so I don’t understand how prison rape is “easier to tackle” if it is so seldom prosecuted. The low rate of convictions for prison rape also falsifies the idea that the justice system is patriarchally hostile to women in the area of the rape of women. If you’re a rapist then prison seems the best place to get away with it.

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  37. That_Susan September 7, 2014 at 13:53 #

    I think most men don’t report it because of fear of retaliation. The rapists usually have a lot more power and work in gangs. I’ve heard that the only way to avoid being raped in those environments, if you don’t want to join a gang and rape others, is just to ask for isolation. But a lot of people go so crazy in isolation that they’ll choose to stay in the general population even if it means getting raped. It’s like the lesser of two evils, even with AIDS and everything.

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  38. the 4th survivor September 13, 2014 at 12:59 #

    http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

    Interesting that Hanna Rosin would write something like that considering she’s the same one who wrote about men being obsolete on Time. Wonder what the deal is there.

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  39. That_Susan September 13, 2014 at 13:23 #

    Rosin actually doesn’t seem like a feminist to me. She sites the changing economy, and not feminism, as the reason for the increasing advantages being enjoyed by women.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/308135/

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  40. That_Susan September 13, 2014 at 16:16 #

    I just had time to go back and read that really long article by Hanna Rosin that I linked to on my previous post, and I must say that I was pretty offended by the video that portrayed Rosin and her daughter debating against her husband and son about who was better — boys or girls. Why can’t everyone just realize that we need to be a team? Some people are stronger in one area, while others are stronger in another, so why can’t we stop competing and just appreciate one another and start working together on all these huge problems that we’re facing as a society?

    I am really, really saddened by the idea put forward in the video that “girls are better” because they find it easier to function in the classroom environment, while boys just keep losing their recess — I guess, as a way to punish them for being so active in class? That makes so much sense!

    I hope that more parents of boys will start abandoning conventional school entirely for the early grades. I only have girls, but both my girls were much more active than the average girl — and I think they also had shorter attention spans than the average girl — when they were smaller. We pretty much followed an unschooling approach with them. Our nine-year-old is still unschooling, and our fourteen-year-old started public school for the first time last fall (her choice), and she is truly excelling because she really wants to be there, and has reached the stage of accepting that there are some boring or difficult aspects to virtually everything worth doing.

    She reached this stage NOT by being forced to do boring stuff when she was younger — but by actually being allowed to decide whether or not she wanted to stay in any particular group or instructional setting that she was in. Truthfully, by age eleven or so, she started expressing a lot of boredom with her life as it was, and a need for more structure. She wanted, at that point, to be in a setting where external expectations were set for her and where she had to strive to meet those expectations.

    Whereas many people seem to think that you need to “school” people to have longer attention spans by putting them in structured situations at an early age, my own experience thus far is telling me the complete opposite. Allow children the freedom to be as active and exploratory as they want, and at some point, they’ll reach the place of wanting to gain more knowledge and skill in an area than is possible without some degree of structure and discipline, and then there’s no need for parents to nag them or “ride” them to get them to follow the rules and complete their assignments, because they’ve learned to be in charge of their own education.

    This seems to be especially true for boys. And you know that theory, about how higher-functioning species take longer to mature than lower-functioning ones? Well, it makes me wonder if this might to some extent be the reason why boys tend to mature later than girls. At least one person here has pointed out that women’s achievement-levels tend to fall more in the middle of the graph, while men’s achievements tend to fall more at the higher or lower ends.

    I think boys who are pushed too hard to fit into situations before they’re ready may be more inclined to just “opt out,” whether by living as “Omegas” or as “men going their own way.” Experiencing a series of early failures, followed by going your own way, seems like a recipe for disaster, for both men and society in general. But what about trying the reverse pattern: allowing little boys the freedom to be active and do their own thing when they’re young, and then supporting them in their efforts to succeed when they figure out what they really want to succeed at?

    In this context, failure is just part of a trial-and-error learning process, in which they’ll be highly motivated to get back on the horse because it’s a horse that they want to be on (whereas learning to sit still like a good little girl is simply not something that your average little boy has any desire to “succeed” at).

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  41. Honeycomb September 13, 2014 at 23:45 #

    How can the police have a different definition of rape than the CDC?

    (e.g. link below)
    http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/seattle-woman-charged-with-rape-768901

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  42. That_Susan September 14, 2014 at 01:20 #

    The FBI defines forcing someone to penetrate as rape. The CDC defines it as sexual abuse, but they want to keep it in a separate category from rape, presumably to perpetuate the myth that rape is almost always carried out by men, against women. By the way, where do the people commenting on the article get off thinking that being bipolar makes you a rapist? My dad was bipolar and he was NOT a rapist. I also have a good friend who’s bipolar. Not a rapist. I also got slightly drunk once and I never raped anyone. There’s just no excuse for what that woman did.

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  43. Mr. Bill September 27, 2014 at 00:26 #

    Feminism is about dividing men and women and then silencing all dissent. Now Emma Watson says men are free to be more feminine.
    Are they free to be masculine? Are women who choose to be homemakers free to do as they wish without being bullied and mocked from women who choose different paths?

    If it’s equal rights you desire, then call it equalism, and stop painting all or even most men as violent oppressors. Men are good and bad, just like women.

    Thanks for your time.

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  44. Observing Libertarian October 4, 2014 at 09:34 #

    This entire argument spawned by the question is moot. Men being raped by other men is categorized as “rape”, it’s the inclusion of “made to penetrate” which made a tremendous difference in the numbers of male victims of sexual assault. By any rational person’s description: when someone says no – no means no. If however you force or coerce them against their will: it’s rape. The CDC categorizes women forcing and coercing men against their will as “made to penetrate.”

    Had anyone bothered to read the articles linked in this one… they’d know that “Male Sexual Victimization Examining Men’s Experiences of Rape and Sexual Assault” by Karen G. Weiss examined the same National Crime Victimization Survey. She examined the massive chunk of statistical information regarding the male population of the survey data and found that 46 percent of male victims reported a female perpetrator.

    Man rapes man in prison: that’s defined as rape. Man has unwanted, forced or coerced vaginal sex with a woman: it’s “made to penetrate.” Even though anyone with any kind of sense of morality can tell you unwanted sex is rape no matter -how- it happens. If you include inmate population and strictly look at what is defined as “rape” than it looks as though men aren’t raped anywhere near at often as women. it’s only when you include “made to penetrate” – that the numbers of victims becomes nearly identical.

    Also, you’d be in error to try and discredit male “inmate population” from female perpetration. “Women were more likely to be abused by fellow female inmates, and men by guards, and many of those guards were female. For example, of juveniles reporting staff sexual misconduct, 89 percent were boys reporting abuse by a female staff member. In total, inmates reported an astronomical 900,000 incidents of sexual abuse.”

    Once again – that article was linked -inside- this one. Should anyone have actually taken it upon themslves to fully read the supporting evidence to the articles claims.

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  45. Observing Libertarian October 4, 2014 at 09:43 #

    Well said.

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  46. Observing Libertarian October 4, 2014 at 09:49 #

    You know, it didn’t look right to me either. I found it on an earlier editing sweep after I was done writing the article itself. So I googled it and found it a bunch of different places. Merriam has it on their “New words/slang” list so I figured what the hell. I say it’s me reenacting the trauma from watching Bush make up words for 8 years on end. lol

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