Many thanks to @Bremstone who did the editing on this one for me.
How much do you want to bet that the same feminists that scoff at the idea of men not liking the fact that they can be forced in fatherhood make fun of mgtow on a daily basis? I just don’t understand how anyone can believe in or defend the feminist movement any longer. Its 2014 and as far as I can tell the defining characteristic of their movement is thinly veiled hatred. Hatred for men and any woman that thinks for herself or just happens to be mildly conservative in political leaning.
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A positive spin on mainstream feminists of the Roe v. Wade era back when men still believed that feminism was on their side. The Mighty Wurlitzer has gone discordant as eventually all Wurlitzers must. What will the new Wurlitzer sound like? Anything but the cry of hopelessly hungry babies or whistling bombs would sound like music to me. Laughter in the face of devastation is more powerful than any weapon big or small for it deflates the bellows.
I had conversation with a radical feminist a few weeks ago. It was about “free abortion”. This young lady had a pin in her t-shirt: “I had an abortion too!!” . I told her I found freaking funny the pin (in a very “punk” way), and I told her I am pro free abortion (the first two months of pregnancy, accordind to St. Thomas Aquinas). She liked my point of view, but when I told her I am pro “civilian abortion” for men too. in the case baby daddy (better said “embryo daddy”) does not want to be a father and does not want any kind of responsibility to the children.
Then she shouted at me: “No way, if any guy gets me pregnant and I want to have the baby he has to pay me!!!!”.
Feminism true colors.
OMG!! I’m just had a overdose about that word #Feminism #Feminist for this past week. GOD!! Just saying!!
I agree with everything you said here, Janet. Still, I think knowing that there’s a living breathing person out there carrying half your DNA, facing life without you because you opted out, would be a million times harder even than going through life with the knowledge that you terminated that life.
Also, I think the primary rationale behind the push for child support now is that it’s in the child’s best interests to be supported by both parents. And most men really feel that way, too. Even if men do one day get to opt out of parenthood, I think the number who do so will probably be pretty small. Because most men don’t want a little piece of themselves out there who doesn’t even know them and might be doing without.
So in a sense, allowing men the option of opting out is basically just trusting in men to figure out the right thing to do, just as allowing a woman the right to abort is trusting her.
Yes. This is precisely why it’s in the best interests of children that men have the legal right to opt-out of the responsibilities (financial or otherwise) of fatherhood, If the pregnancy is unwanted. If a woman can’t use the legal system to force a man to pay for her reproductive choices, while at the same time denying him any and all parental rights, she will have to negotiate directly with him for that support. This creates a balance of power and gives the man the leverage to set some conditions of his own, such as a shared custody agreement granting him equal access to the children. And if the woman doesn’t want to negotiate, the man can just walk away and leave her with two choices: have the child without any guarantee of support, or get an abortion. Men don’t want to walk away from their responsibilities, they just want to be a part of their children’s lives, and having the same reproductive rights as women will grant them that.
I agree with you. I think that if a father wants to be an involved parent, but the couple isn’t going to get married, then they should be able to legally set up shared custody and agreements regarding finances prior to the birth of the child.
Feminists are just extortionists by another name.
Oh, oh, tell me what I can do to help poor, lonely, deprived Emma Watson enjoy the same priviledges I do!!!
I normally just get silence from pro-choice women when I mention that men should have a choice too when it comes to parenthood. Either that or, well women have to carry the child for 9 months. I guess thats a lot compared to having to labor for thousands of hours for 18+ years to pay for her choice that he didn’t have.
Is it in the child’s best interest to be aborted? If women have all the choice, they should have all the responsibility. Is it in the best interest of a child to be with a mother who can’t support her child and had a child anyhow?
BINGO, but we can’t give any choices to men or any responsibility to women.
Not sure why she wants the respect of a man, but if she wants to be disrespected, I will do it for her.
Personally, I could never have an abortion, but I’m not in favor of legislating what others can or can’t do. My dad used to look back nostalgically on the days when parents who couldn’t provide for their children dropped them off at the state orphanage. He felt this was best because this way you could be sure the taxpayers’ money was used to provide the children with three square meals a day and all their basic needs.
In spite of the fact that I suppose it’s less “efficient” to help out families that are in a tight spot, in the sense that there’s no centralized control over what kind of food is bought or what kind of care is provided when children stay with their parents I still favor helping the families because most children prefer to stay with their parents.
If a child isn’t placed for adoption at birth and has bonded with his or her birth parent or parents, then I’m strongly in favor of keeping families together as long as there’s not abuse.
If the man can opt-out, and without a guaranteed, government-enforced support system in place, women will quickly figure out that it’s to their advantage to make diligent use of the plethora of birth control methods available to them. This will also be a huge disincentive for all of the mentally unstable women out there (and there are a lot of them), who might otherwise try to use a pregnancy for the sole purpose of entrapping a man intimately and/or financially. If a woman gets serious about having a child, she can negotiate for support, but she’ll have to bring something other than her vagina and a pair of kneepads to the bargaining table. You can’t eliminate abortion completely, but less unwanted pregnancies by default means less abortions. Conversely, by giving men back their reproductive and parental rights, a greater number of children will be born to a mother and a father who actually want them, and that is definitely in the best interests of children.
It was a good commentary. “Whiny, petulant and entitled,” yep that pretty much sums it up.
When it comes to parenthood however, we spend all our time arguing about men’s rights versus women’s rights. At some point, the rights of that child need to kick in. Women who perceive fathers as nothing more than financial support are engaging in a kind of child abuse, because those perceptions of men will impact that kid’s very identity, his view of himself, his future relationship. And father’s, even in their absence have a huge impact on a kid.
Best interests of the child seems to be the opposite of Roe V Wade.
Ok I finally watched a video, and it was pretty good. Thanks for doing what you do, it is important work.
Boo fucking hoo.
From now on, I’ll see how feminists respond when I answer their incessant, incorrigible complaints with ‘boo fucking hoo’. The idiots at jezebel think they are being so cool and nonchalant (and no doubt the most cunning of them think they are being subtle) by dismissing men’s important and life-altering concerns with so flippant a phrase. The few issues that the Men’s Movement choose to take truck with are actually aspects that deeply affect our lives, unlike the never-ending parade of lies and laments that feminism trots our whenever they find themselves bereft of a bitching point.
“Oh, there was no trigger warning on that essay about abuse? Boo fucking hoo.”
“Oh, you were drunk and had sex with a loser, and now its rape? Boo fucking hoo”
“Oh, you’re old and unmarried, and no man wants to touch your leathery ass? Boo fucking hoo”
I could go on and on. Feminists are revealing their own psychoses more and more with every hair-brained essay they put out. Yet people are starting to see them as the rabid creatures they are, frothing and mumbling in the corner they’ve painted themselves in to. And that’s thanks to people like you, so thanks. Keep smacking these awful bitches down, JB. I’m going to look into more feminists like Decrow, to see I can catch sight of more of those extremely rare fauna called ‘reasonable feminists’
Jezebel is mainstream??
It’s just another silly religion. People can believe in all sorts of zany shit once they stop utilizing critical thought in favor of emotional self-delusion
The presupposition of fornication nation, that sex outside of marriage is moral is the cornerstone of this canard. The catalyst -corollary that women can morally regulate sex inside of marriage is the setup. Men will not marry if sex is more fulfilling out of wedlock and restricted inside. If sex was limited to marriage and unlimited inside of marriage most of the problems of society would find little footing. Productivity would rise and both women and men would be happier. Feminism destroys marriage from within and also from without. But the joke is on them, for outside of marriage women will find the world more dangerous and that they not equipped to dominate the threats or advance culture as married men have been doing for six thousand years. Feminists want to portray men as predators or derelicts and too many are out to live down to their portrait. Sow the wind reap the whirlwind!
It’s hardly ‘scoffing’ it’s just a fact that if you have a child, whether you choose to raise it or not, you should pay for it. Period, the end, it’s not an issue of ‘equality’ it’s an ethical issue. If you’re the kind of asshole that can know your offspring is out there in the world and you have no desire to know your child or ensure that it eats properly, that’s your lack of decency, don’t encourage others to follow you vile lead.
Feminism by no means hatred for men. That’s just the whiny, bullshit, knee jerk argument miss driest need to tell themselves in order to go on with their nonsense rhetoric.
So women who give their children up for adoption have committed some kind of ethical violation? Or are your high-minded standards something that apply only to men?
I’m sure everyone can see the difference between giving your child up for adoption, – a process where you ensure the child has two parents that are financially stable -, and, “Oh you got yourself pregnant? See ya!” Still, ethically speaking, if not for the law, one would hope those that choose adoption would also want to ensure the child was well taken care of.
Thank you for mentioning my ‘high minded standards’ by the way. Wouldn’t it be lovely if we all had high minded standards, strong ethics, and some semblance of morality, and therefore didn’t fight for the right for others to abandon their children? What a world that would be Huh?!
a process where you ensure the child has two parents that are financially stable
Under Safe Haven laws, women do no such thing. They leave the baby in an ER, a fire station, etc – and walk away. It is not her responsibility to make certain that child has two parents. And why on earth would it be okay to require adoptive parents to be willing and financially stable but not care about the natural parents willingness or financial ability?
Your standards are not high-minded at all, jackass. They are meant to punish men and give them no choices – to be controlled by women who are making stupid decisions. Your capitulation to reproductive control by women suggests you are in desperate need of some ethics and morality yourself. Human beings deserve autonomy. All human beings. The ability to choose parenthood is a fundamental human right.
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