So I came across this, which Futrelle confirms he wrote:
To the editors:
Andersonville is a lovely neighborhood, boasting quaint, well-preserved architecture and a diverse assortment of shops, restaurants, and cafes. I love living here. But one thing is sorely lacking: a good, general-interest bookstore.
The one bookstore we do have, Women & Children First [“Breaking the Chains,” June 4], is a decent place to turn if you want to stock up on Andrea Dworkin or pick up the latest issue of Bust, but pretty much useless if your tastes range beyond the limits of the store owners’ admittedly specialized sensibilities. By campaigning against Borders, Women & Children First’s owners are effectively declaring themselves antichoice, which strikes me (a lapsed feminist) as a teensy bit of an irony.
Look, I buy a ton of books. I’d be happy to give Women & Children First my money, to keep it “in the neighborhood” and all–if they actually sold books I was interested in buying. They don’t, so I trek off to Borders or turn to the Internet; heck, I sent $158 to a certain Seattle book-seller earlier today. I’m not quite sure how this helps the neighborhood.
We heard a lot of alarmist talk a couple years back from folks who thought the presence of a Starbucks would destroy Andersonville’s neighborhood cafes. Well, Starbucks arrived, and the cafes survived. Indeed, on busy nights I can’t even find a seat at the Kopi cafe to read the books I didn’t buy–couldn’t have bought–at Women & Children First.
David Futrelle
Andersonville
A teensy bit of an irony? You don’t say. Here is a picture of hipster MRA Futrelle from back in his day, before he figured out how to make money pandering to the feminazis. All he needs is a fedora.
Pretty hot!
Depending on what one means by “hot”, of course.
Lots of love,
JB
judgybitch 
1) I highly doubt he makes any money from his site. His lack of basic awareness caused him to call himself ‘manboobz’ for 5 years, before he finally figured out that this was hindering his progress.
2) He has very frequent fundraising drives on his website. This, despite how many people are making real money from ‘feminism’.
3) He has, in fact, been an effective MRA, since his writings have increased manosphere exposure. By getting the SPLC on board, he created a huge new audience for Matt Forney and Roosh.
4) I notice you posted a photo of him before he gained 100 more pounds. When he refers to himself as ‘We Hunted the Mammoth’, he really sees HIMSELF as the mammoth (on account of being fat and woolly) and his hope that his cats (which he sees as sabre-toothed) eat him when he dies alone from a heart attack.
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JB,
Are you familiar with how Manboobz was once a writer for Feministing, but since he was writing better content than them (he is, in fact, a better writer than any Feministing hag, but that isn’t saying much), they treated him terribly and drove him out of there.
Yet, that STILL didn’t clue him into why being a mangina is a path to nowhere with women. He doubled down and started his Manboobz activities.
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Do you have sources for that?
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I found his letter to the editor pretty interesting. So did he ever actually identify as an MRA — or do you mean that because he was calling the feminist booksellers out for being “anti-choice,” that made him an MRA? I notice he called himself a “lapsed feminist” which I can certainly identify with. If he really is just pandering to the feminists now, then that’s too bad. It makes me feel lucky not to be in a line of work where you have to identify as one thing or another to get a decent following; I’d find a different job instead. I wish he’d kept on with making rational observations of what he sees going on around him, because he’s able to do that in a very engaging way.
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I think arguing for a “Bookstore for Men and Adults” qualifies as advocating for men’s rights.
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err I dont think a Bookstore qualifies as a right
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It was in The Spearhead’s archives, which are currently inaccessible. But WF Price knows all the details.
But Futrelle was treated quite badly by Feministing, just for being a better writer than them. That didn’t clue him into anything, however.
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Probably true. I just went to look at his site out of curiosity, and came across his post about your baby-snatching post. I really wish you’d rethink that one! I agree that a man should have the right to sign away his parental rights and responsibilities — but do you really think that every any time a woman finds herself pregnant by a man who decides he’d just rather not be a father, she should have her baby snatched from her at birth?
How would you feel if this was one of your daughters someday? Every form of birth control does have a failure rate, and some guys do freak out and bail — so should any young woman this happens to, who realizes she doesn’t want to abort, be stuck with losing her baby?
I’m really not worried that this could ever happen — my main concern is that I don’t like seeing you trashed by Futrelle and feeling like there’s nothing I can say in your defense because he really has a point about that one post of yours. I realize you’ll be fine whether I defend you or not — but I just think you’re a much better person than that particular post makes you out to be.
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No, of course not, but it definitely highlights the discrimination male readers are facing in that particular neighborhood.
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Well, Susan, the reality is that every single one of my son’s children could be killed before birth or surrendered for adoption without his consent or knowledge, in theory, so why should it be any different for my daughters? If my son cannot unilaterally decide to be a parent against the will of a woman, why should my daughters have the unilateral right to become parents without the consent of men? My solution was obviously meant to be deeply provocative and to make legal parental surrender seem like a pretty fair request. I think I succeeded!
Sometimes conversations needs to be kicked into a start.
🙂
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Right, but he was just openly exercising his right not to fight against Borders because he liked the idea of having a bookstore near his home that he could find books he liked at. I don’t necessarily have a right to walk out my front door and conveniently reach a store selling products I like — but if someone’s trying to put in such a store, and a neighborhood shop catering to a niche market that I don’t fit into is fighting it, it really is like they’re fighting against my right to have a neighborhood shop with stuff I like…even though I have no inherent right to such a shop, I do have the right to speak up about the niche shop’s attempt to limit my choices. They should either widen their range of products or back off.
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It’s true that it would be horrendous for anyone to do either of those things to your son, or to any man — but the pain a man feels if he ever learns that a child of his has been aborted — well, I know that it’s real and I certainly don’t want to minimize it, but I don’t see how it could ever compare to feeling a little human growing inside you, all the while knowing that this child will be taken from you and raised by someone else. Abortions cause a lot of pain to everyone involved, but there’s also a sense of finality in that you’re not worried about how that child’s being treated or what they’re experiencing now.
As to children being placed for adoption without the father’s consent — yes, I know that this happens and it’s criminal — but even though the father’s being treated very unjustly, he usually never knows about it — because if he knew about it while it was taking place, he could assert his rights and contest the adoption. So again, it doesn’t quite compare to the pain of carrying a baby and giving birth and having the child taken from you.
Still, I’d like to see something put in place to make it a lot harder for a woman to give up a baby without the father’s consent. And yet, if she’s absolutely refusing to talk or keeps insisting that she has no idea who all she’s slept with (sometimes this could even be true), it’s better for the baby to go to loving parents than languish in state care.
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P.S. But maybe it could be made a criminal offense to have a baby when you have no idea who the father is.
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“My solution was obviously meant to be deeply provocative and to make legal parental surrender seem like a pretty fair request. I think I succeeded!”
I see your point. 🙂
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Why would someone make a bookstore only for women and children in the first place? Do normal bookstores not already carry books for all different kinds of people? (young, old, black, white, male, female)
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It sounds like you’re saying that men should be free to commit rape because women are free to commit abortion, which would be a pretty psychotic thing to suggest (the idea that one crime justifies another crime), so I hope I’m misinterpreting.
I think the reverse should be true, that abortion is wrong because rape is wrong (based on the common principle of respecting human life).
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Yikes! I have no idea how you possibly read that into my comment. I think abortion is indeed wrong, but in certain cases, it is a necessary wrong. And under no circumstances do I ever think actual, bona fide rape is acceptable.
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25 is up and 26 is clear as a bell in my mind.
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Because the only publications men are intereted in are porno magazines and books about people slaughtering each other in war. Best to shield civilized eyes from such filth.
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My guess is he became a feminist thinking it would help him steal the girl in the middle from the guy on the right.
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Lol. Dude I think that’s his sister. Pretty sure Futrelle is gay.
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“Pretty sure Futrelle is gay”
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Quite unlikely.
If there’s any group of men that are true misogynists it’s gay men.
And when you think about it it makes sense.
All their young adult lives they watched as the men (mostly straight) that they fell in love with were snatched away by women.
The principal is the same for lesbians and is almost certainly why lesbians are so strongly represented among feminists.
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Hehe, that would torpedo my little hypothesis, alright. But I wonder if his sister is single. Should I go over to his site and ask?
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Just advocating for anything positive or any activity/business geared toward men makes you an “MRA” in the eyes of modern day feminists.
Wow. Futrelle has really let himself go weight wise. Unfortunate I would say.
Does he actually have any original ideas? Every-time I’ve seen anything hes written – including WHTM, its basically him reading weird interpretations into manosphere blogs and sites.
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Then I wonder why some of my daughter’s best guy friends at school are gay? Is it that they don’t hate her because she’s a lesbian and isn’t after men? Actually, lots of gay men are friends with straight women, too. I think gay men are interested in other gay men, not men who really want to be with women — kind of like my daughter’s not interested in straight girls because she wouldn’t want to be in a romantic relationship with a girl who was really attracted to boys.
I don’t think whoever wrote “The Gay Manifesto” is really representative of gay men everywhere.
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I am sure this is completely irrelevant, but the feminist bookstore may have a stronger case for being worried about Borders than the local cafe’s did about the introduction of Starbucks. The cafe’s probably served either broader market’s or different niches than Starbucks does, so there is room for competition, had I been the owner of a local small coffee shop I would have been terrified of Starbucks as they are a direct and identical competitor. Borders on the other hand (which if memory serves actually went out of business recently) is much more generalized and would carry overlapping material with the local feminist bookstore. In so far as more generalized reading is concerned they have nothing to worry about, people who want the new Harry Potter, or Robert Jordan novel have to go elsewhere anyway. If they were just a feminist bookstore they may even have little to worry about since Borders probably won’t carry many of the specialized works that they do, as they don’t sell; however Borders would undercut their children’s literature sales by offering the same options at lower prices and possibly more options. Having looked into opening a bookstore in the past I know that overspecialized stores often fail at a higher rate than bookstores in general (which have a fairly high failure rate to begin with). Borders would have been disastrous for that bookseller.
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that picture reminds me of a thrash metal band trio. look at all that leather.
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The best place in the world to find information about gender relations is a feminist bookstore. Because:
1) All those 10,000 thin books specialize in gender issues
2) They express state ideology (all are publicly funded)
3) Only feminist books are used to train police and judges (no machist books allowed in police colleges or law schools.)
4) All authors have advanced degrees in gender issues field of study
5) All research is cutting edge of social sciences – regression analyses, in-depth-interviews and high level statistical methods.
6) Objectivity guaranteed, because feminism stands for equality, so no bias possible. TS
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What brought up the gay manifesto, and which one are you referring to? The Carl Whitman authored one from 1970, or the Michael Swift authored one from 1987?
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I think the 1970s version was the one I read, several years ago. Nobody brought it up. I was responding to another poster’s assertion that gay men hated women for taking their men, which seems kind of like the spirit of the version of the manifesto that I read — but nothing like the reality that I see, especially among the younger generation, in which gays and straights are often in the same groups of friends. But then, my daughter’s in theatre and we are Unitarian Universalist, so I’m sure I don’t see the same reality everybody else does.
When I was my daughter’s age back in the 1970’s, I’d never even met anyone who was gay, so I see enormous progress, whereas she keeps wondering why we can’t get with the program already and have marriage equality everywhere just like they do in Britain and Canada. 🙂
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Both versions strike me as being a sort of extreme MGTOW statement.
Technically Britain doesn’t have uniform marriage equality, it hasn’t come to Northern Ireland yet, and isn’t likely to in the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, your daughter will likely never be of a marriageable age at a time when there isn’t full marriage equality here in the states. It is more or less a foregone conclusion that the SCOTUS will legalize it in June. We can honestly say we are looking at 10-12 weeks before equality is achieved, I am a bit younger than you and when I was your daughters age (and I was openly gay back then) we were told not to expect things like marriage equality in our lifetimes. So yes the progress is amazing, as an “older” gay person my fondest wish for your daughter is that she may come to take for granted the rights and freedoms she has.
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“So yes the progress is amazing, as an “older” gay person my fondest wish for your daughter is that she may come to take for granted the rights and freedoms she has.”
I think she’s already taking them for granted — she’s just like, “What’s wrong with those jerks!?” whenever anyone tries to throw a wrench into the works — like there’s some wack-job lawyer in California who drew up something called the “Sodomite Suppression Act.”
My daughter wondered why he was leaving lesbians out, but then my husband looked up the term “sodomy” and we all three learned that it was any form of non-procreative sex — meaning, I guess that men who have sex with his post-menopausal wives and straight couples who have sex while using contraception are sodomites.
Shall we sing, “It’s a small world after all!”
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/gays-would-be-put-to-death-by-bullets-to-the-head-under-proposed-initiative-in-California
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy
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How is involvement of a violent hate group like SPLC going to help this movement in any way!?
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They used to call those things “Mall Punks”
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I know it`s only a TV show,but watch Will and Grace.EVERY single man that the two homosexual men talked about lusting over are straight.EVERY homosexual man I know(and there`s a few) talk about wishing a particular man,be he movie star or whatever else was homosexual.
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I would love to able to blame that on “straight” writers who don’t get or talk to real gay people and were writing for a largely straight audience, but as you said, it’s a major part of our culture to be infatuated by celebrities and gay men are no different. To be honest I don’t get that either, I really don’t, no offense to all of you certainly good looking straight guys, but as a general rule (which I am evidence against) gay men tend to be better looking and remain so for far longer, so I’ve never fathomed why my fellow gays swoon for straight guys. What really blows my mind is that we now have a reasonable number of openly gay celebrities who meet that above criteria to swoon over, as well as exceedingly good looking quasi celebrity siblings of big stars who are much better looking than their more famous siblings (I am looking at you Chris “Captain America” Evens), and “we” still go after the straight guys. It’s one of my minor pet peeves with the gay community.
Tyler, if you read this do you have any thoughts?
Janet, Susan, caprizchka, I am curious about your views on this point, am I off base at all? Neil Patrick Harris, Cheyenne Jackson, Zachery Quinto, Jonathan Groff, Eamon Farrell and of course as I mentioned above Captain America’s brother Scott Evans, taken against any of the usual Hollywood hearthrobs and leading men, or in some cases their more famous siblings… and for those who are going to throw well aged Sean Connery at me, I will rebut with the well aged George Takei.
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I was close to 10 years older than your daughter currently is, when in my rambunctious activist days someone told me to take it easy on my fellow “queers”, who weren’t all up in your face activist, some weren’t ready, some would never be, and still others had outgrown activism, and mellowed into the quotidian. To which of course I responded with flippant disregard, how can anyone outgrow radical activism, that can’t happen to people who care deeply… so I will refrain from warning or asking you to pass on a warning that sometimes it’s best to let some things slide. I found that turning off the news has done wonders for my general stress levels and my fury at the world. Progress is far enough advanced already that we don’t need to fight that particular lawyer and his bill, and I know this with age and experience, but I wouldn’t have believed it in my early 20’s and so I understand your daughters frustration and burning desire to do something.
Just for giggles if she hasn’t already done so, ask your daughter to look up Queen Victoria’s response to learning about lebianism, it was a little more akin to what she probably thought was going through this lawyers head. Apparently she refused to sign a law prohibiting same sex sodomy because it specifically mentioned women, and couldn’t believe that women could have sex with each other… it took quite a bit of cajoling and convincing to get her to sign the bill with the anti-lesbian language in tact.
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The names all sound familiar but I don’t keep up so great with my celebrities.
George Takei definitely is sexy; I’m not sure who I’d choose between him and Sean Connery — and unless one of them chose me, it’s rather a moot point. 🙂
Anyone, gay or straight, will sometimes feel attracted to someone who’s not attracted to them and wish that that person wanted them, too. But bottomline, I think most of us would rather just have someone who’s attracted to us as we are, rather than trying to steal someone who’s attracted to another type of person entirely.
In case anyone didn’t see my link to this on another thread: here’s a piece of George we can all share in — you’re welcome:
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Well it’s certainly one thing to have an unreciprocated crush, I know I’ve had my share of those; I think it’s a whole other kind of crazy to purposely seek unrequitable crushes. There is in the gay male community a subset who pursue the “straight guy” fantasy, which to some extant is part of that minor pet peeve of mine mentioned above. Celebrity crushes are one thing that’s usually pure fantasy and when it isn’t the person needs help, but to actively pursue people who will never be interested in you is just bizarre and probably just as worthy of needing help.
I suppose it is possible going back to the original question I was responding to from farkennel that gays crushing on straight celebrities has to do with the same phenomenon of straight people crushing on those same celebrities, even when there are more attractive “second tier” celebrities. It may be the fame or power that people are lusting after, rather than the person themselves.
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There is a lot of money being spent (internationally) by a certain hedge fund billionaire to promote political correctness and social division (including the funding of the stupidest feminist professors in all of Europe). I really do wonder who Futrelle takes his trick cash from nowadays. Also I wonder who bankrolled the recent collection of MRM hit articles too. Just wonderin.’ It looks like a carefully conceived “campaign” to me.
(Edward Bernays was one smart cookie! Read him and the red pill will do extra good work inside that red pill mind of yours, folks).
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She is learning to accept that not all her bi friends are ready to come out (it seems like among her friends at school, there are several bi girls but few to none who identify as pure lesbian, whereas boys seem to more often be straight-up gay and not bi). If anyone confides in her about it, she respects that they’re not ready to come out and won’t tell anyone.
But I think it makes her kind of sad, because she’d love to have a girlfriend, but she doesn’t want anyone who wants to date “secretly.” She’s also not interested in any girl who’s bi-curious and expresses an interest in experimenting, and she’s kind of accepted that she probably won’t get to date till college because most girls her age aren’t ready for a serious relationship with another girl — at least not one that everyone else knows about.
About the Queen Elizabeth thing, the idea that two women can’t have sex is actually pretty common. Dd’s had friends tell her that she’ll always be a virgin because sex always requires a penis — so two men can have sex but not two women. She read a book at the library a while back that said something cool: It said lesbians get to decide for themselves what it means to lose their virginity. So she’s kind of in the realm of defining a lot of stuff for herself.
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I have to correct myself.EVERY homosexual I know lusts over STRAIGHT men.Sorry about that.
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Hehehe…..JudgyBitch said David Futrelle is hot…hehehe….Judgy and David….sitting in a tree….hehehe….
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foutre elle is french for ‘fuck her’. david is exploiting the credulity of feminist women, he’s got it even in his name.
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“but the pain a man feels if he ever learns that a child of his has been aborted — well, I know that it’s real and I certainly don’t want to minimize it, but I don’t see how it could ever compare to feeling a little human growing inside you, all the while knowing that this child will be taken from you and raised by someone else.”
Let me get this straight, you think it’s worse for a woman to know that her child will be taken from her at birth, then for a man to know that same woman just aborted his child?! Then you claim that the child would be better off being killed by it’s mother then taken from her! I don’t know whether you’re a sociopath, or just flat out bat-shit insane.
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It’s called “capitalism”. One or two people have a clever idea that there’s a market out there for something. Then they find some capital — personal, family, mortgage, stocks, bonds, bank — then they try to exploit it. (Or if that sounds harsh, then say serve the market.) 80% of businesses quickly fail from which I conclude that 80% of clever ideas are also bad ideas.
There is legal language from the Middle Ages in incorporation charters that it must benefit the public. In that time a corporate charter had to go to London to make a case that there should be such a corporation. And if it was granted, then His Majesty’s government would not grant a corporation license to someone who wanted to compete. That would have been, as the socialists say, “wasteful competition”.
In modern times that is met with the hand wave that it makes a profit, employs people, pays taxes, etc and thus is good for the public.
Note, that the article was from several years ago. It cites Borders as the big, dominating, intimidating corporate bookstore. Borders is now out of business.
I imagine a woman and children’s book store might have a play and reading area like the children’s room of the public library.
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Neither — and I would never have an abortion myself, by the way. And I NEVER said it was better for THE CHILD to die than to have a chance to live, even if not with his or her biological parents. I was looking at this from THE PARENTS’ perspective.
I was simply comparing the pain of dealing with anything that’s irreversible AFTER THE FACT to the pain of looking towards a time in the future when something awful is pretty much guaranteed to happen to you — I say “pretty much” because there’s always the slight possibility that you could evade the law by giving birth at home and living your life totally off the grid, maybe getting in a sailboat and finding another Nim’s Island to raise your baby in.
At any rate, I’ve never had an abortion and I’ve never had a child snatched from me, so my comparisons are merely hypothetical. In my own life, I just know that I’ve found it easier to accept and deal with the stuff that’s already happened and that I can do nothing about, than to contemplate any painful stuff looming on the horizon of my future.
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Sorry I stopped following this thread before you responded… you weren’t wrong though. Most gay people do lust for straight guys, I may be exceptional in that regard, but it doesn’t make it a false observation.
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Also, even though I don’t know of any straight women who lust after gay men (at least not once they know that they’re gay), I’ve heard that there are a fair number of straight men who lust after lesbians and get turned on by watching or thinking about lesbian sex.
So rather than stopping with the thought that “gay men lust after straight men” how about expanding it to the thought that “men lust,” period? 🙂
One difference between women and men that I’ve noted — but I’m open to anyone telling me that I’m wrong about this — is that women aren’t as interested in a man if they learn that he’s into guys because (in my opinion) we want a guy who’s totally into US, while men’s desire can often be increased when they learn that the object of their desire has no interest in them — and even no interest in the male gender, period.
I’m not saying that men don’t want, ultimately, to be wanted in return — just that they seem a lot more turned on by the thought of having to chase, pursue, and win their object over.
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That is certainly a possibility, but I wonder where that puts me, since I desperately want to be that pursued object. I’ve never been quite certain about objecting to objectification, I would love for someone to objectify me. Or at least I would like the opportunity to learn first hand why being objectified is so terrible.
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I know straight women who lust over homosexual men.They like to say that they could convert them.As far as having to pursue a woman,no way.The more amenable they are,the less work and less chance of rejection.
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